Board Challenge Soon

[Persevering Saint]

News about is that there'll be a board challenge in the next few days. Butterss is really under the scope, and the challenging group could include Burkey and Gregory's Transport founder, Greg Westaway.

Look's like things are about to get nasty at Moorabbin... yet again...

 

[cartwright]

am so over every year there is either a boardroom challenge or a coach sacked.

would really love it if we could just have some stability ........ no wonder we can never sort our stuff out on the field.

 

[alo_saints_fan]

Nexus_helen will be happy.
Maybe, just maybe and i quote from Nexus "butterhead must fall on his sword"

All to be revealed in the next week or two
maybe the new board will sack Ross Lyon and re-instate Grant Thomas just as NH wants?

 

[cartwright]

ha
Is NH ..... GT?

do people not correlate the stability of a board with the stability of a football side?

you never hear this crap coming from interstate clubs nor the strong vic clubs.

 

[alo_saints_fan]

ha
Is NH ..... GT?

do people not correlate the stability of a board with the stability of a football side?

you never hear this crap coming from interstate clubs nor the strong vic clubs.

good correlation but.....
essendon are haveing an extra-ordanary meeting
(the breakaway group got 100 signatures)
so maybe it isn't always that way.

 

[cartwright]

Yes, thought that ... but this is the first time for bombers .... in a while(?) ...

 

[alo_saints_fan]

yes it is.
cosidering sheddy has been there for 27 years and he has had long sustained sucsess there would not have been much to argue about. St.kilda on the other hand....................:S

 

[Fehring]

good correlation but.....
essendon are haveing an extra-ordanary meeting
(the breakaway group got 100 signatures)
so maybe it isn't always that way.

that's because Essendon is finally becoming a rabble (hooray, something good out of this season). Rabbles have board coups. I'd be very disappointed in Burke if he signed up for a coup. If he and Westaway are serious, they get onto the board and arrange a orderly transition the way Butterss did. No one liked butterss, but he was smart enough to do it the proper way.

How does a whole new management team come in and just start running a club in an efficient manner? It's madness to not have an orderly transition.

 

[Moorabbin66]

This is just typical St Kilda. No stability = no premierships.

 

[sauce_head]

Neeexxx-ussss? Where are you.....?

 

[Persevering Saint]

All this is flipping happening while Kosi, Xav, Goose and Bakes are up for contract negotiations. I wouldn't blame them if they said, "stuff this!" and just went somewhere else.

What these people don't seem to realise is that, even if they didn't like Butterss' decision to sack Thomas, sacking Butterss will only have the same effect: a big kerfuffle, instability, uncertainty. The question they need to ask is the EXACT same one that Nexus Helen (fairly) asked about Thomas' sacking - has his sacking meant that we have cut ourselves off mid-stream and gone in another direction before we'd reached the end? The question isn't is Butterss bad - it's whether the instability that comes from kicking him out in some board room debacle is WORSE.

NH and StKildonian have made the point that Butterss' decision on Thomas seems to have set the club back a few years, and that he should be held accountable. I agree. But there are ways of being held accountable that don't include getting rid of the guy, and they are a helluva lot less destabilizing.

 

[cartwright]

Any more news on this?

Caroline Wilson's gone quiet on the Age site & HSun has nothing either ..

I too, will be disappointed in Burkey if he pulls a coup - this will further destabilize the club.

 

[Kildonan]

The club has been destabilised by Butterss. Not by any challenger wishing to bring stability.

We have lost some very good personnel over the last year or two.

People like Watts who went to Carlton to help them out using the St Kilda model of reform. He has subsequently retired altogether.

Cripps has been praised highly by Choco Williams as a significant component in their improvement this year.

Nathan Burke followed a different path, but he brings a wealth of experience and managerial skills. He holds a very highly paid conlsultancy position - his manoevres towards a spill and an AFL club presidency would not necessarily be a good one for his own career. If he challenges, I believe that it is to step in where he believes it needs to be done - for the good of the club he has already been such a great servant of.

 

[St DAC]

Jim Watts joined the AFL not Carlton. He was loaned to Carlton by the AFL in a consultancy role to aid them plan for their financial recovery from the mire they were in. He's since left the AFL.

RB has made some mistakes but has still presided over the most financially successful board we've ever had, at least in my memory. Do we seriously need this sort of disruption now? Particularly after all the kerfuffle of GT's removal last year?

How about we try to conduct ourselves with a bit of decorum out of the media spotlight for a while? Might make a nice change ...

 

[Fred]

I suspect the good bottom-line figures are due to a combination of a bare-bones football department, good membership figures and AFL dividends.
In terms of sponsorship and other outside money, there'd be a lot of other clubs well ahead. I'd think the AFL dividend and our profit would be about equal.
I don't have the figures but I think our total income isn't really that good.

 

[jbazzle]

Neeexxx-ussss? Where are you.....?

He's in the sin bin isnt he?? I think that RB should hang around for at least another year. Whilst many believe he should be held accountable for his actions GT couldn't win us a premiership with easily the best list for three years running. I think this lack of a premiership was mainly due to the gameplan or lack there of from GT. Don't forget all our soft tissue injuries that cost us big time. I think the club should be left as it is in terms of the board for at least a year.

 

[alo_saints_fan]

He's in the sin bin isnt he?? I think that RB should hang around for at least another year. Whilst many believe he should be held accountable for his actions GT couldn't win us a premiership with easily the best list for three years running. I think this lack of a premiership was mainly due to the gameplan or lack there of from GT. Don't forget all our soft tissue injuries that cost us big time. I think the club should be left as it is in terms of the board for at least a year.

Why is Nexus in the sin bin? surely you cant be carded for bagging your own club
Yep the lack of gameplan to combat the flood certainly lost us a few games back in 04-06
I think the loss od TD (terry daniher) was a big one. I have always liked him and i thaught he was doing a good job with Thomas. did TD and Crips go because ross lyon didn't want them?

 

[sauce_head]

Fred, the voice of self acclaimed reason. The financial position is still better than any time in living memory. GT had too much power at the club, but I am not questioning his motives in trying to advance it. Getting rid of him when our no accountability game plan had been worked out by the other clubs was not a bad option. Obviously we can never know for sure, but I saw the Saints moving backwards as of the end of last year (further than we have this year).

I still wonder why our capacity to pile on goals has diminished to such an extent, but hope it can return next season.

As for Nathan Burke, I have it from an exceptionally good source (ex coaching staff and player) that he is not the best liked man at StKilda, ever since he refused to retire at the same games record as Stewart Loewe, and played on additional game to temporarily hold the games record.

Would not surprise me that he is cooking up another self serving coup (I hate saying these things about him as I loved him as a player).

 

[StMojo]

Tony Lockett for President

 

[ChrisFooty]

As for Nathan Burke, I have it from an exceptionally good source (ex coaching staff and player) that he is not the best liked man at StKilda, ever since he refused to retire at the same games record as Stewart Loewe, and played on additional game to temporarily hold the games record.

Would not surprise me that he is cooking up another self serving coup (I hate saying these things about him as I loved him as a player).

I have to question that - if the saints wanted him to retire and refused, the saints selection committee could of just played him out in the reserves. If a player refuses to retire mid season (as Burke refused) this could of very easily been done.

 

[Saint4Life]

Why is it wrong? Really?

You want stability? This is not about the coach. Its about Butters. He has had plenty of time to sort things out.

Last year he made a decision and must be held partly responsible for his actions. This years outbursts for no reason also put the club in the bad and for what? It was not even nessecary! To me, he was not supporting the club at all but personal issues whilst draging the club down.

Unfortunately, imo, his time has come to move on.

 

[sauce_head]

I have to question that - if the saints wanted him to retire and refused, the saints selection committee could of just played him out in the reserves. If a player refuses to retire mid season (as Burke refused) this could of very easily been done.

Fair enough to question it as well. But it is I was told by my source after happily announcing Burke had a good last game. He was meant to announce his retirement before the match, but just never did. I guess the club could have refused to play him in the seniors, but that would not really have looked good, would it?

In any regard, to play one more game than Loewe, reeks a bit.

 

[sauce_head]

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/ne...th-legal-action/2007/09/05/1188783319891.html

Thomas suing the club for £250k. Now if I am correct in my assumption that "Butthead" receives no salary, or any payment of any kind, from the StKilda football club, and GT is suing for £250k, that means, in my book, RB is already up over £250k positve on GT's affect on our club.

If he loves the club as much as he claims, why is he doing this? Why did he try to gain a financial presence via our sponsor's board room? What is his agenda and is he part of the take over bid? Will he drop the writ if the bid is successful?

NeXus, I am looking forward to your return to the forum to discuss negative affects of reduced cash flow and how that can harm a club more than on field performance, or perhaps even presidental policy...

I hope GT loses, now that he has shown his true colours.

HN, there is nothing worse than over policing by inconsistent mods, as I recently found out... Hurry back.

 

[cartwright]

...Ok so now we've got a possible coup, the club being sued by an ex-coach - no finals, and key players still un-contracted.

wow.

Is GT bitter & twisted? At the time of the sacking he did say he would always put the club first, he loved the club blah blah. .. now he sues?

RB needed to be held accountable for his sacking of GT, but why is it now? Just because we didn't make the finals?

There was always a huge chance we were not going to make the finals with new coach & game plans - doesnt matter how talented your list is, ( I know we were hit hard with injuries).

WHY is it NOW that he needs to be held accountable for something that occurred 12 months ago? Something is telling me if we made the finals this would not be happening.

As much as I really enjoyed GT as a coach (loved the big scores etc) you've got to question why we fell apart every finals campaign?

Regarding profits, whether they are ok or fantastic I am not sure. All I know is we're making a profit. Could it be better- ? It can always be better -.

 

[Persevering Saint]

Is GT bitter & twisted? At the time of the sacking he did say he would always put the club first, he loved the club blah blah. .. now he sues?

RB needed to be held accountable for his sacking of GT, but why is it now? Just because we didn't make the finals? ... WHY is it NOW that he needs to be held accountable for something that occurred 12 months ago? Something is telling me if we made the finals this would not be happening.

Sorry sainter girl, like where you're going here overall, but gotta disagree a bit. GT can't be judged too harshly here, because all the bloke wants is his pay. He wants what he was offered by the club. The club made him sign a silence-contract when he was sacked, and has remarkably managed to keep to that, despite heavy provocation and the opportunity to go nuts on The Age. There hasn't been a shred of evidence, only innuendo, that he broke this silence-deal, which most people reckon is a rough deal anyway - who doesn't want to winge about their old boss when they just got sacked?! GT is fair to ask for his money, and he should get it.

As for Butterss getting disciplined, the fact is that NOW is as good a time as any. There is NO good time for the President of the Club to get publicly told off. Of course if we were in the middle of a finals campaign it would have to wait until the off-season, but the off-season started for us last Sunday morning.

Having said that, I'm with you, in that I think the whole thing of Butterss getting disciplined, and potentially sacked, for replacing GT for a coach who didn't make the finals is ridiculous. Lyon shouldn't have been expected to do that, even though I would've loved it if he did. However, he should be disciplined for clearly letting a personal issue get in the way of his job as director. Firing GT was personal, no question.

Nonetheless, there is a big diff between a telling off with a subsequent apology, and getting sacked when you're the most financially successful President a previously debt-ridden club has ever seen.

What I want is for GT to get his money, Butterss to say, "Fine I stuffed up and let personal issues get in the way of business and I'm sorry," and for Everyone else to say, "Fair enough, mistake made, but otherwise you're doing a good job." I know, I know, I'm too much of an idealist.