Board discussion

[Monkey King]

I take that on board MK. I would suggest however that humour that springs out of the ground as a result of something somebody says or as a result of a warm internet relationship, is not scripted and can not be easily transferred to a dedicated Blue Room thread.

Yes, jokes do get laboured and therefore become tiresome if they go on for pages and pages, but just like real life, randomly occurring comedic interjections have their place, almost anywhere. Obviously there are exceptions though.

I have no issue with cracking jokes and don't expect every post to be about football; it's more when the footy talk merely punctuates the discussion that it gets annoying. It's no biggie though, I'm still here ... just thinking aloud.

 

[Claypigeon]

I have no issue with cracking jokes and don't expect every post to be about football; it's more when the footy talk merely punctuates the discussion that it gets annoying. It's no biggie though, I'm still here ... just thinking aloud.

You've kind of emphasised my point. .. If the thread evolves into a different discussion that is the thread's new discussion, at least the majority in that thread generally think so. .. There are probably several other threads still on the old discussion or a semblance of it. .. The thing to remember, that thread is one of a few dozen threads going simultaneously and if one thread is uninterestingly "off topic" to you then move on. ..

Obviously there are some sacred cow thread, like this one, that should stay on topic. .. and note, this is different to someone derailing a thread but that is the art of moderation. ..

 

[Monkey King]

You've kind of emphasised my point. .. If the thread evolves into a different discussion that is the thread's new discussion, at least the majority in that thread generally think so. .. There are probably several other threads still on the old discussion or a semblance of it. ..

And in a football forum, you wouldn't be unreasonable in expecting that it be, in the main, a football discussion. If footy talk merely starts punctuating a thread then it detracts somewhat from the experience I'm looking for, which is really all I'm saying.

The thing to remember, that thread is one of a few dozen threads going simultaneously and if one thread is uninterestingly "off topic" to you then move on. ..

Well thanks for the advice big fella, but it's really not required. I'm not one to chime in with "off topic" remarks in such threads, rather I simply do as you suggest and move on to one of the other dozen threads I've got tabbed, slightly regretful that I bothered checking back in the first place.

I get everything you're saying, it just doesn't change much about what I'm saying, that's all. It's nothing major, I'm not freaking out ... just taking the opportunity to pass comment of my experiences in the appropriate thread.

 

[Silvagnis]

No parrot would be a good start.

I might start an unlisted alter and see how long I last on another board as a troll who brings shit down on more than one club.

 

[mediumsizered]

I ask myself should I listen to a man who cannot even choose an avatar-thingy?

I'm just happy to know how to operate this interweb thingy.

 

[Boltfromtheblue]

I have no issue with cracking jokes and don't expect every post to be about football; it's more when the footy talk merely punctuates the discussion that it gets annoying. It's no biggie though, I'm still here ... just thinking aloud.

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[Alpha1]

Lots of "superior posters" on the Carlton board, especially a few who constantly run down others, or just basically talk shit about others when they have no idea about the person, is that what you mean?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Not exactly no, although that situation does occur and can be a two way street. We have a few posters who like to claim they are in the know and are very strong in voicing what they know. Situations occur where something may or may not be true, and if not true some posters will have a shot (and probably fair enough if someone is caught out) but then they don't let it go, and it infects the board. Nature of the internet I am afraid. One poster made a rather large bet on another board and lost. That poster either has to reappear and pay up, reappear, not pay up and forever cop the wrath of that board, or just not reappear at all. Whereas I am sure the mod on that board would rather people let it lie, some things just aren't easy to manage.

We also have posters who almost proclaim themselves experts on certain topics and who shout down others who have a different view. This is to be expected if both parties are heavily debating, but not if the relative novice is just putting forward an opinion and is made to feel like an idiot. These are topics that are not necessarily negative either.

 

[Mr.X]

Good post ODN, clear and make sense.

My view is some posters take it all way too seriously.

I mean, it's an internet forum, relax a bit, enjoy some of the silly banter for what it is, and take it easy.

I see some guys getting so fired up for minor little comments, which to me is weird.

 

[The Toad]

Would it be possible to remove someone's ability to start new threads. No one in particular, but in the past we have had some really stupid threads started (I believe I may have been an culprit in my early days)by the same posters over and over.

It would make your jobs a bit easier.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Lots of "superior posters" on the Carlton board, especially a few who constantly run down others, or just basically talk shit about others when they have no idea about the person, is that what you mean?

where have you been alpha?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Would it be possible to remove someone's ability to start new threads. No one in particular, but in the past we have had some really stupid threads started (I believe I may have been an culprit in my early days)by the same posters over and over.

It would make your jobs a bit easier.

The only way to stop someone starting threads is to have them on a permanent yellow card. We just try to nudge them in the right direction, either in the thread or by PM. If they don't get the message, they may find their board access disappearing.

I want to make it clear that I am not singling out certain groups with my posts, although some who are looking from a certain perspective may interpret them that way.

I do recognise that people get tired of repeating themselves, especially when the same detractors try to catch them out on some of their calls.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

Have to say, this board has grown very tiresome lately. Maybe it's inevitable when you've been reading for a few years, however every issue basically reads the same - the same posters imparting their same tired views that never change.

Debates are pointless, as posters aren't flexible in their opinions. Furthermore, because new posters get shut down so quickly there isn't an influx of fresh views on these boards to keep it interesting, so the repetitiveness continues.

Harmless banter would keep thing interesting, yet it is met with the sort of replies as posted below, and we return to my above depiction.

ODN, you stated a number of concerns in the OP - I would simply say fix them then. In an ideal world, every poster would listen to your advice, yet if this were the case we wouldn't need mods. Most of those issues you raised you can control, so control it.

An example:

And again ******* I didn't say I believed her I was merely posting what she said in a thread designed for rumours. Get it ****wit?

You even replied a few posts below this, yet did nothing about it. It is these sorts of posts that make it pointless to come on here (both in entering a discussion or reading a so called discussion), and which inevitably drive posters away.

You seem to want the individual poster to change and make the board more appealing, he/she won't, but you can by largely addressing problems such as those you raised and acting. A number of posters have expressed various concerns in this thread, yet all you've done is either provide some sort of justification, or brushed it off entirely. If you aren't willing to take other peoples opinions onboard yourself, how can you expect anyone else to?

 

[blue gunslinger]

I think ODN's intention was to give us a chance to sort ourselves out instead of have to be a nazi and weild the big stick. By some of the conduct of posters today/yesterday I do not think the message is getting thru very well.

 

[Dramoth]

I think ODN's intention was to give us a chance to sort ourselves out instead of have to be a nazi and weild the big stick. By some of the conduct of posters today/yesterday I do not think the message is getting thru very well.

I dont know... some of the posters might actually enjoy copping ODN's big stick...

 

[blue gunslinger]

I dont know... some of the posters might actually enjoy copping ODN's big stick...

I will take Bee's tassie hive

 

[Bee]

I will take Bee's tassie hive

Sorry Guns you will just have to settle for ODN's big stick, I handed in my mod's badge for this board a couple of weeks ago. The only place you can feel my sting now is in the Ladies Lounge. But I don't think you qualify for that. Sorry!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

A number of posters have expressed various concerns in this thread, yet all you've done is either provide some sort of justification, or brushed it off entirely. If you aren't willing to take other peoples opinions onboard yourself, how can you expect anyone else to?

1. I want to get all sides of a story, not make decision based on a handful of opinions.

2. I want people to realise what we want and self regulate to a point, because we too are part of the community, and do not want to be seen as over the top.

3. It is not as though opinions all match up and it is a simple matter of enforcing it. There are two sides to every story.

In this case, it seems like you have a narrow perspective of what the problem is on the board and want it addressed to increase your enjoyment, even if the issue is more complex than that.

4. Am I dismissing or am I letting discussion occur as per the title of the thread?

Hopefully Santa brings me a heaping help of patience to enable me to continue to search for perspective.

If I acted on first impressions all the time, many positive posters would be infracted out of the system for their responses. However, it is possible that they wouldn't need to be because many troublesome overly negative posters wouldn't have been here to elicit the response from the positive posters. If I even start to go down that way in the past, I get howled down by fans of various posters or advocates of free speech for being a nazi. You simply can not please all the people all the time, and there is no way I am just going to bow to one faction of the board. You guys simply have to learn to get along.

I also will not be leaning too heavily on passionate regulars because they dissuade opposition banter. This board will never be just as much about opposition interraction as it is Carlton supporter interraction with a biased slant. What is the point of it otherwise, considering there are other boards on BigFooty that are supposed to cater to opposition interraction?

Having said that repeat offenders will be put on notice and this thread is just emphasising that.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Would it be fair to say that things are somewhat more difficult in the off-season?

With not much happening, I know I've resorted to some ordinary stuff just to keep the momentum up until the real stuff starts.

We very much cater for different times, different volumes, moderator workloads etc. It all has an effect on what we do.

I mean, don't look now but this is a massive team board traffic wise and member wise, and the diversity of those posters is pronounced.

We can do all sorts of things to control conversation and limit the types of posters we get here if we want to have a narrow focus. We err on the side of working with posters and urging posters, and cutting some slack for the occasional transgression if in general they are considered reasonable.

We can card swear filter evasion, card every time someone calls someone a moron, card every time someone restarts a thread we have just closed, card every time someone posts inane drivel. I am just not sure that we wouldn't clear out the site at the same time.

People that think we are undermoderating at the moment would be up in arms if we overmoderated and it was their flavour of posting on the line.

 

[Chism]

What is the point of it otherwise, considering there are other boards on BigFooty that are supposed to cater to opposition interraction?

Here Here.

Exactly how i feel about team boards and every other team board has the same sets of rules regarding opposition posters and are moderated much more harshly then this one.

OUR own team board is exactly this and this board is the only one on the whole of BF were we can get away from the trolling and smart arse remarks from other teams posters and lets keep it this way. During the years separate threads for banter have been opened up prior to games like when we play the Bombers etc and they are good for a laugh so it does not pollute other threads with opposition bile.

It is alarming the amount of us that are squabbling between each other over petty matters and hopefully this wears off as the season approaches.The level of discussion has dropped off IMO this off season hence a lot of the regular more better posters are posting less frequently to avoid stupid remarks and insults that are directed at them as soon as someone voices an opinion that does not mirror their own.

It is a tentative subject when modding your own supporters and allthough leeway is given to our own like we often see sometimes people just need to relax before replying ( i have been guilty of it before to )and sometimes the best reply is nothing at all.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Sorry Guns you will just have to settle for ODN's big stick, I handed in my mod's badge for this board a couple of weeks ago. The only place you can feel my sting now is in the Ladies Lounge. But I don't think you qualify for that. Sorry!

a sad day for our board indeed
no wonder we are suffering a maelstrom at the minute
so am I invited to the lounge am I?

 

[Aphrodite]

a sad day for our board indeed
no wonder we are suffering a maelstrom at the minute
so am I invited to the lounge am I?

Not unless you are a "Lady"

 

[Salaryman]

Not unless you are a "Lady"

he is on weekends

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[Aphrodite]

he is on weekends

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[Salaryman]

Did you check your mail today Aph?........anything???