Board discussion

[Aphrodite]

Did you check your mail today Aph?........anything???

Still nothing

 

[CrippsonBlue]

Am I dismissing or am I letting discussion occur as per the title of the thread?

You are dismissing it.

You created a discussion thread, so I discuss, and then you fail to address my whole post. Why waste my time in saying you want a discussion?

I think you've been a mod too long, and should probably step down to be honest. In your posting style, you seem to be one of those people that believe their opinion is correct, and are unable to back down from it once it has been formed.

No problem with that, I probably fit into that category also, but then I'm not a mod.

This is the manner in which your seem to mod this board. Despite words to the contrary, I believe you view this as your board, and enjoy the power given to you. I think the board probably needs changes to address the tiresome feel, and this should probably start with replacing a mod who has held the position for perhaps long enough.

Enough with the old regs - get someone new on board, someone that has joined in the last year or so, yet is reliable. Someone who is prepared to let the board run differently to you.

Regardless, I will say to keep in mind that you should be addressing posts like the example I gave, rather than making these wank threads that serve no purpose - the person screaming 'listen to me' is never going to hear anything over their own voice.

But I'm just one poster, what do I know? My expiry date has passed.

Merry Christmas.

 

[zeeCFC]

it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[thylacine60]

Beware the 3am poster...

 

[thylacine60]

So long as the training reports meet with my approval. Any one delivering training reports that don't meet with my approval should be replaced.

 

[Jeremias]

[YOUTUBE]p3MiD_U4CHQ[/YOUTUBE]

 

[LemmingMaster]

it ain't broke, don't fix it.

That is a very stagnant view on many concepts, just suits people that hate change. Change for change sake is never good, but you can improve on something that is not broken.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You are dismissing it.

That's an opinion. There are some non-negotiable points, such as opening the board up for opposition supporters to poke fun. It is simply unnecessary.

You created a discussion thread, so I discuss, and then you fail to address my whole post. Why waste my time in saying you want a discussion?

For you, I will address the whole post after addressing the whole of this post. Forgive me that I have time constraints from time to time.

I think you've been a mod too long, and should probably step down to be honest. In your posting style, you seem to be one of those people that believe their opinion is correct, and are unable to back down from it once it has been formed.

Posting style or mod style? If my posting style clashes with my mod style I might have a problem. If you have specifics, please provides links and discuss how I should have backed down from my opinion.

No problem with that, I probably fit into that category also, but then I'm not a mod.

I would have thought that having a mod that got involved in discussion and took a stance without using mod powers to censure someone who disagreed, was a good thing. I believe that almost all mods on BigFooty get involved in some serious circular pet discussions here and there. It seems you have a specific topic in mind that you disagree with me on, and are attacking my mod status as a result.

This is the manner in which your seem to mod this board. Despite words to the contrary, I believe you view this as your board, and enjoy the power given to you. I think the board probably needs changes to address the tiresome feel, and this should probably start with replacing a mod who has held the position for perhaps long enough.

Wow, how do I say this without being considered dismissive.

I have tried to be friends with everybody, tried to play the comedian to relieve tension, tried tough love, you name it I give it a go. You say that I mod in a style where I won't back down, but I suggest that I have tried plenty of things before I got to the stage where I took a stance.

Enough with the old regs - get someone new on board, someone that has joined in the last year or so, yet is reliable. Someone who is prepared to let the board run differently to you.

Differently .... how? There are 4 mods by the way, not one. You sure this isn't personal in some way? I am at a loss to see where you are coming from and why.

Regardless, I will say to keep in mind that you should be addressing posts like the example I gave, rather than making these wank threads that serve no purpose - the person screaming 'listen to me' is never going to hear anything over their own voice.

The thread was an opportunity for people to discuss the way things are run here, not an opportunity to have all of their thoughts implemented. If people want an explanation they get one.

But I'm just one poster, what do I know? My expiry date has passed.

I have no response but wanted to quote the whole post.

Merry Christmas.

Oh and you too.

Now for the post I dismissed.

Have to say, this board has grown very tiresome lately. Maybe it's inevitable when you've been reading for a few years, however every issue basically reads the same - the same posters imparting their same tired views that never change.

What's the answer? Get rid of those that don't change their minds regularly? Opinions generally are set in stone unless something compelling changes them.

Debates are pointless, as posters aren't flexible in their opinions. Furthermore, because new posters get shut down so quickly there isn't an influx of fresh views on these boards to keep it interesting, so the repetitiveness continues.

And part of the reason for this meaningless wank thread was to highlight the problem of needlessly shutting down new posters. It was the also the catalyst for the rookie poster thread.

Harmless banter would keep thing interesting, yet it is met with the sort of replies as posted below, and we return to my above depiction.

Sometimes it is yes, but it stands out when it happens. It isn't as though it happens all the time and isn't as nothing is done about it.

ODN, you stated a number of concerns in the OP - I would simply say fix them then. In an ideal world, every poster would listen to your advice, yet if this were the case we wouldn't need mods. Most of those issues you raised you can control, so control it.

Yes I can control it without consultation, but then I would be the unbending single minded moderator that you seem to loathe. Foot in both camps perhaps?

An example:

You even replied a few posts below this, yet did nothing about it. It is these sorts of posts that make it pointless to come on here (both in entering a discussion or reading a so called discussion), and which inevitably drive posters away.

I will let you in on a secret. Every moderator does not get to read every post. That is why we have a report button. No point in complaining about a post if you have not reported it. Even then, there are four moderators capable of responding when they are online.

You seem to want the individual poster to change and make the board more appealing, he/she won't, but you can by largely addressing problems such as those you raised and acting. A number of posters have expressed various concerns in this thread, yet all you've done is either provide some sort of justification, or brushed it off entirely. If you aren't willing to take other peoples opinions onboard yourself, how can you expect anyone else to?

I disagree and suggest you are not comprehending very well. I am explaining the way I see things and why I may or may not take action. If there is a prevailing mood, I would definitely take it onboard.

Does it surprise you that given how poorly this board has been run while I have been around, that this was probably about the 12th team board created on BigFooty, because of lack of interest, and that we spent the first few year battling with the last two team boards as far as who got the most traffic.

We are now the second biggest team board, and closing fast on the biggest, despite competing with other dedicated unofficial sites that the other board does not have.

It does become unwieldy. It does require a lot of attention. Moderators capacity to be available changes from time to time, but by and large it is a pretty diverse community, but it requires posters to apply their own filters on occasion rather than have the experience tailored to their individual requirements.

I hope this response, now that I have finished work for the xmas break and had more time to do so, is more suitable. It doesn't necessarily agree with what you have said, but surely you don't expect that I can agree with everybody and have credibility.

Cheers

 

[The Toad]

You do a great job ODN, as do all our Mods. Don't listen to all the haters. We all love you.

 

[CrippsonBlue]

Since your post was mostly a reply, I don't think there was anything specific I need to reply to.

To address a few things though:

I will let you in on a secret. Every moderator does not get to read every post. That is why we have a report button. No point in complaining about a post if you have not reported it

As I said, you replied just a few posts below it.

If a mod is not even able to monitor a post made a few above their own, and instead requires such simple cases to be reported, then maybe that's a problem in itself.

It seems you have a specific topic in mind that you disagree with me on, and are attacking my mod status as a result

Put simply, there is not. Even had I disagreed with you on a specific topic, it wouldn't hinder my view on you as a poster/mod. You are one of the only posters that whenever I see a post of theirs, I've always taken a keen interest (I also wouldn't bother with such a long-winded post/s so close to Christmas, trying to give you genuine feedback as requested, if I didn't view you as a quality poster/mod). This is hardly relevant to the discussion though.

You sure this isn't personal in some way? I am at a loss to see where you are coming from and why

Again, no it is not personal. I explained it pretty clearly - the board has grown tiresome (IMO), and perhaps some changes would help keep it fresh/interesting. Changing a mod who has held the position for a long time, and is set in his way, seems like a logical place to start. I also made other suggestions.

You asked for a discussion regarding this board, and I put some thoughts forward. Ultimately, no one really cares who comes and who goes, I was just suggesting what may have increased my expiry date (which seems almost due), as well as others.

 

[blue gunslinger]

we have had a change of mod
bee is gone
are you suggesting odn should go?
could you do a better job?
a suggestion for you
shut up now and stop talking crap before you think about what you are saying
odn is not the problem
the pinheads on this board are and odn is giving them a chance to pull their heads in before they get them cut off

 

[Aphrodite]

we have had a change of mod
bee is gone
are you suggesting odn should go?
could you do a better job?
a suggestion for you
shut up now and stop talking crap before you think about what you are saying
odn is not the problem
the pinheads on this board are and odn is giving them a chance to pull their heads in before they get them cut off

+ 1

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

As I said, you replied just a few posts below it.

If a mod is not even able to monitor a post made a few above their own, and instead requires such simple cases to be reported, then maybe that's a problem in itself.

Contrary to popular belief, we do not read all posts and do not sit on BigFooty all day. That is why we have four moderators.

Not everything is picked up on any board on BigFooty. Not sure if that means that Fred, Chief and co who have been around as long as me and are very firm on how things should be done, need to be replaced either.

Again, no it is not personal. I explained it pretty clearly - the board has grown tiresome (IMO), and perhaps some changes would help keep it fresh/interesting. Changing a mod who has held the position for a long time, and is set in his way, seems like a logical place to start. I also made other suggestions.

Each moderator uses their own discretion. I do not tell any of the others how to moderate this board. They do so according to existing rules and their own sense of logic. I am not sure how changing one moderator will significantly change the board, and I am not sure that the admins want that change made.

You asked for a discussion regarding this board, and I put some thoughts forward. Ultimately, no one really cares who comes and who goes, I was just suggesting what may have increased my expiry date (which seems almost due), as well as others.

You don't have an expiry date and neither do I. If those that have been around a long time leave, then the sense of community needs to keep rebuilding.

It's not exactly Logan's Run .... I hope.

 

[blue gunslinger]

well if I was a mod.......
there would be less tolerance of fools and a hell of a lot more colour esp red/yellow
our mods are much more level headed and understanding of clowns




oh except hbf the token mod

 

[Malifice]

I must say, I disagree with your criticisms PPG.

I've been poking around these boards for a while, and IMO ODN is one of the (of not the) the best Mod in this place, and these boards are amongst the best Moderated boards on BF. The only people that seem to have a problem are those who feel a personal opinion is being overly 'censored'.

I certainly dont see any Mods pushing a personal agenda on here.

From what Ive seen, criticism is allowed as long as the criticism is thought out and designed to encourage debate, and not simply a pot shot, or an excuse to vent a personal vendetta against a particular player (or coach). Critical threads and posts along this line are even encouraged (ive posted some very critical, provocative and left field posts in here myself).

These posts have included (amongst other things) advocating trading Gibbs, recruiting Barry Hall, dropping Henderson, offloading Walker, and defending JR (when he was... well... sorta shit). If its done right, is reasoned and provokes thought, its cool.

The dillema is that we are aiming for 'improvement' (as we always should) but that different people have different ideas of what exactly constitutes 'improvement'.

We're all happy enough to be critical towards our team, but we also all get sick of constant potshots at certain players, recruiters and coaches. There are a lot of people with egg on thier faces re JR round about now, and we all remember the Rich/ Yarran debacle (that has gone unsurprisingly quiet this year).

If I want to read some barely literate moron post venom about how shit WH and Ratten are (over and over and over) just to provoke an angry response, I'll visit the Bay. I mean seriously, I have better things to do that to log on to BF and see half a dozen new threads pop up every week getting stuck into the same player or coach ad nauseum with no real insight offered.

And I trip out a little at posters who are surprised when they post vehement shit about one of our players or the coach being 'shit' on a Carlton forum, and then act all surprised when Carlton supporters stick up for that player/ coach.

Personally for mine, where I'm critical is that I'd like to see more diversity in threads, and perhaps some more thought provoking threads with more analysis. Its been a tad predictable this year, and Ive found myself wandering off into other boards for a read more often.

As a suggestion, rather than a plethora of 'Sack Ratten' threads (that we know will pop up on a weekly basis unless we finish top 4), how about a single thread that analyses and rates his coaching performance in detail from week to week, looks at specific moves made during each individual game, rates his performance, and tracks it against his contemporaries and peers.

As a final point, I really like the idea of the stickied thread for new and rookie posters (and I encourage the Vets around here to take it easy on new posters, and mentor rather than tear them down). We all remember the transition from lurker to poster and the nerves of making that first post, so perhaps we can be a bit nicer to those out there that are making the first step into this madhouse.

 

[The Cranium]

I am soooooooo glad I walked into this conversation.

 

[Warsaw]

Preseason is crapola personified.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Preseason is crapola personified.

sounds more like vegas

 

[Jabba73]

Not all moderators is spuds.

Given we have four moderators and 24 hours of access to the site, it is inevitable that some posts will get through that reflect badly on the people that write them. This is not the fault of the moderators yet somehow the mods are blamed for all the ills that befall the site.

I have had a couple of posts misunderstood in my time here and a little self control (rather than resorting to cheap insults in the heat of the moment) has seen it sorted out. Naturally, this does not apply/extend to opposition trolls who refuse to be reasonable.

As users of the site, we have the option to ignore threads we are not happy with or report them. Either way, we can help with regulating the site and our participation in it.

Diversity is good and sometimes the lack of overbearing control can lead down some interesting pathways which makes the site worth coming back to. I for one am thankful for the mods we have who generally do an excellent job of keeping things under some semblance of control, while allowing a very different group of people have an opinion on our great club.

BF is like any other club, you have members you don't see eye to eye on with some topics but you are richer for the experience of having to deal with it.

I am looking forward to a great 2011 for the CFC and hope to see you all there for the ride. Thanks to the mods for keeping the place running and thanks to all the posters that keep it interesting.

 

[thylacine60]

Couldn't agree more, Jab.

 

[jono25]

Is it too much to ask that when a poster says something so outlandish, as to change the rules of evidence to convict a football player (for whom no charges had been laid) that the poster be asked to justify that statement? At what point can people on this board deviate from broadly accepted social principles without repudiation?

And why would a mod (HBF) close down the thread where that person is being asked to justify their comments?

 

[zeeCFC]

 

[thylacine60]

FFS, you moronic imbecile, no-one actually gives a shit in the end. It's off season and exposing you for the overblown arrogant ponse you are is just a bit of sport. Let it go and get yourself down to the soup-kitchen with your pious face on.

 

[blue gunslinger]

Is it too much to ask that when a poster says something so outlandish, as to change the rules of evidence to convict a football player (for whom no charges had been laid) that the poster be asked to justify that statement? At what point can people on this board deviate from broadly accepted social principles without repudiation?

And why would a mod (HBF) close down the thread where that person is being asked to justify their comments?

yeah mate- it is not you but the rest of us that is insane
hbf closed the thread because you are a child and decide to slang personal abuse at people

 

[jono25]

FFS, you moronic imbecile, no-one actually gives a shit in the end. It's off season and exposing you for the overblown arrogant ponse you are is just a bit of sport. Let it go and get yourself down to the soup-kitchen with your pious face on.

again ignores the issue and attacks the man. Anyhow shall leave it to the mods to sort out.