Bode Ladhams Watts

[vacekadelaide]

I am not arguing that. Yes it was selfish but had he kicked it would anyone complain????? I don't think so. Yes he is a selfish player but being selfish doesn't make you a bad player.

I would still complain if he kicked it, cos it wasnt the right option.if we were up by 50points then yeah go for a party trick...not when youre fighting to get back into a match. however,i am not blaming him for the loss, just things like that really ********e me when watching the crows!!

 

[Stiffy_18]

I am not arguing that. Yes it was selfish but had he kicked it would anyone complain????? I don't think so. Yes he is a selfish player but being selfish doesn't make you a bad player.

I would still complain if he kicked it, cos it wasnt the right option.if we were up by 50points then yeah go for a party trick...not when youre fighting to get back into a match. however,i am not blaming him for the loss, just things like that really ********e me when watching the crows!!

But had he kicked it we could argue that it was that spark that the team needed. A piece of magic, call it what ever you like

 

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That's never stopped Brett BirdBlob!

I just now call him The Turdman

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

I just now call him The Turdman

That's big of you.

As Stiffy has mentioned, some players just have 1 bad game & many jump down their throats. At least the likes of Burton are giving 100%, which can't be said for one of our higher profile players.

 

[outback jack]

That's big of you.

As Stiffy has mentioned, some players just have 1 bad game & many jump down their throats. At least the likes of Burton are giving 100%, which can't be said for one of our higher profile players.

Roo puts in 100% all the time from what i've seen

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Roo puts in 100% all the time from what i've seen

Can't disagree, but from what I have seen this year, he hasn't been 100% fit.

 

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That's big of you.

As Stiffy has mentioned, some players just have 1 bad game & many jump down their throats. At least the likes of Burton are giving 100%, which can't be said for one of our higher profile players.

There is more to football that just your effort, as far as I am concerned if your decision making is poor and your disposals are ineffective then effort means nothing. Burton suffers from constant brain explosions which sometimes prove to be very costly, he is obsessed with trying to be a hero instead of doing the team thing which was further exampled by not giving that handball in the third quarter. I remember last year him coming over the top of one of our defenders and punching the ball instead of marking it and straight to the opposition and they set up a goal those sort of fundamental football smarts a guy that has played 7 seasons of football should have, but he seems to lack.

How many times honestly have we seen him crash into packs trying to take mark of year only to cause the ball to spill and usually into the hands of the opposition. He constantly burns his possessions and has really gone backwards in the last two years. Against the Kangaroos he held back going for a mark because he would have collided with the post if he had of continued so he slowed back and didnt attack the ball and let it hit the post and go out of play on the full.

The last great game he played was in 2003 against Brisbane in the final since then he has really been forgetable.

He was a guy that earlier in his career we all thought was going to be a gun people even touted him as captain material and seven years down the track in my opinion is playing worse than when we started as a rookie.

It has nothing to do with his performance in one game.

 

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That's big of you.

As Stiffy has mentioned, some players just have 1 bad game & many jump down their throats. At least the likes of Burton are giving 100%, which can't be said for one of our higher profile players.

I am guessing you are referring to McLeod and I agree that he is not putting in. I dont know what the answer is, but I think while the stiff meister is out we should slot into a back pocket as he was rock solid there against Melbourne.

McLeod is the other side of the spectrum he has all the good footy fundamentals, but is lacking the desire. Definately not sure what to do there, but he wont ever be dropped.

I said at the start of the year maybe try and turn him into a Jeff Farmer type forward where he can play in bursts and it will be less impact on his knee.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

There is more to football that just your effort, as far as I am concerned if your decision making is poor and your disposals are ineffective then effort means nothing. Burton suffers from constant brain explosions which sometimes prove to be very costly, he is obsessed with trying to be a hero instead of doing the team thing which was further exampled by not giving that handball in the third quarter. I remember last year him coming over the top of one of our defenders and punching the ball instead of marking it and straight to the opposition and they set up a goal those sort of fundamental football smarts a guy that has played 7 seasons of football should have, but he seems to lack.

How many times honestly have we seen him crash into packs trying to take mark of year only to cause the ball to spill and usually into the hands of the opposition. He constantly burns his possessions and has really gone backwards in the last two years. Against the Kangaroos he held back going for a mark because he would have collided with the post if he had of continued so he slowed back and didnt attack the ball and let it hit the post and go out of play on the full.

The last great game he played was in 2003 against Brisbane in the final since then he has really been forgetable.

He was a guy that earlier in his career we all thought was going to be a gun people even touted him as captain material and seven years down the track in my opinion is playing worse than when we started as a rookie.

It has nothing to do with his performance in one game.

I prefer someone who puts in 100% & gets the ball even if they makes errors, than someone who doesn't give all for the jumper. It easier in life to criticise those who do something than those who do nothing.

 

[- PC -]

And the birdman would become more consistent if he was managed better imo. Firstly, play him forward and secondly get some basic do's and donts that cannot be broken into him

Have to agree with these 2 points. And I think all the forwards can learn some team rules. A few of mine would be ..if your inside the 50m line have a shot( put the ball deep at least) ..fly if your the only man there , otherwise work out who is up who stays down etc.

and thirdly put 5-10 kg on him as he is far too light.

Wont happen..he is metabollically challenged .

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We need to buy the best forward line coach in the business as even though we don't have the worlds' best talent, we have been under-performing. Look at what other clubs have done with average talent. Some strategies & structure wouldn't go astray!

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

It amazes me how some on this board rate ladhams. I don't think I can remember him ever stringing 2 really good games together. Yeah he has skill, granted, but with his sh*tty attitude and lack of consistency he should have been delisted last year. Should be first in line for 2005 delisting honours.

 

[Mad Dog]

It amazes me how some on this board rate ladhams. I don't think I can remember him ever stringing 2 really good games together. Yeah he has skill, granted, but with his sh*tty attitude and lack of consistency he should have been delisted last year. Should be first in line for 2005 delisting honours.

If they stop trying to make him a midfielder and put him in the fwd pocket where he belongs....we might see him become more consistant

 

[Stiffy_18]

It amazes me how some on this board rate ladhams. I don't think I can remember him ever stringing 2 really good games together.

When did you start following the crows?????? In season 2002 Ladhams played every game for us (when he wasn't injured which was late in the season) and he strung some exceptional games late in the season before the knee injury. His work accross HF was very good and its something we are seriously missing now. His 2003 season was also solid and he also had a patch of 6 or so games where he was in our best each week rotating between midfield and HFF.

It would appear to be the case of "out of sight, out of mind" with some of these players. Ladhams is a better player than Doughty, Shirley, Skipworth and a couple of others that are in our 22. His attitude stinks and if he doesn't improve it then he will be the first one delisted and rightly so. However, if his attitude has improved he would be the first one kept out of that list.

Ladhams as a HFF who rotates into the midfield is a very good players. He actually knows how to crumb and kick opportunistic goals which is something that can't be said for a lot of others in our side. Ladhams is also one of the best kicks in the side and when he gets it he hardly wastes a possesion.

To say that he hasn't strung together good games for us in the past is so far off the mark its not funny.

 

[Stiffy_18]

If they stop trying to make him a midfielder and put him in the fwd pocket where he belongs....we might see him become more consistant

I disagree. Ladhams is definely not a FP type. He looks a bit lost when played deep in the forward line. His best position by far is a HFF.

 

[outback jack]

When did you start following the crows?????? In season 2002 Ladhams played every game for us (when he wasn't injured which was late in the season) and he strung some exceptional games late in the season before the knee injury. His work accross HF was very good and its something we are seriously missing now. His 2003 season was also solid and he also had a patch of 6 or so games where he was in our best each week rotating between midfield and HFF.

It would appear to be the case of "out of sight, out of mind" with some of these players. Ladhams is a better player than Doughty, Shirley, Skipworth and a couple of others that are in our 22. His attitude stinks and if he doesn't improve it then he will be the first one delisted and rightly so. However, if his attitude has improved he would be the first one kept out of that list.

Ladhams as a HFF who rotates into the midfield is a very good players. He actually knows how to crumb and kick opportunistic goals which is something that can't be said for a lot of others in our side. Ladhams is also one of the best kicks in the side and when he gets it he hardly wastes a possesion.

To say that he hasn't strung together good games for us in the past is so far off the mark its not funny.

you are a ladhams lover so you're comments are naturally biased. ladhams has always been a bits play not much else and has hardly been missed. He wouldnt know what forward line pressure is if it kicked him up the ass. The fact that he cant play in a pocket shows that he is a midfielder who hasnt put in the hard ones. We need some genuine crumbers not 25 yr old misfits. He got his shot last yr a couple of times and looked so far out of his depth you can tell his time is up. Time for you say why you blatantly support someone who puts so little into the club with his selfish attitude and poor effort.

 

[Stiffy_18]

you are a ladhams lover so you're comments are naturally biased. ladhams has always been a bits play not much else and has hardly been missed. He wouldnt know what forward line pressure is if it kicked him up the ass. The fact that he cant play in a pocket shows that he is a midfielder who hasnt put in the hard ones. We need some genuine crumbers not 25 yr old misfits. He got his shot last yr a couple of times and looked so far out of his depth you can tell his time is up. Time for you say why you blatantly support someone who puts so little into the club with his selfish attitude and poor effort.

Blah, blah, blah......

You sound like a nagging wife with period pain

I rate Ladhams on his talent alone. I do not think he is a very special player. He is replacable but the problem is we don't have anyone to replace him with because he is the only genuine crumber on our list who can kick opporrtunistic goals.

End of discussion.

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

When did you start following the crows?????? In season 2002 Ladhams played every game for us (when he wasn't injured which was late in the season) and he strung some exceptional games late in the season before the knee injury. His work accross HF was very good and its something we are seriously missing now. His 2003 season was also solid and he also had a patch of 6 or so games where he was in our best each week rotating between midfield and HFF.

It would appear to be the case of "out of sight, out of mind" with some of these players. Ladhams is a better player than Doughty, Shirley, Skipworth and a couple of others that are in our 22. His attitude stinks and if he doesn't improve it then he will be the first one delisted and rightly so. However, if his attitude has improved he would be the first one kept out of that list.

Ladhams as a HFF who rotates into the midfield is a very good players. He actually knows how to crumb and kick opportunistic goals which is something that can't be said for a lot of others in our side. Ladhams is also one of the best kicks in the side and when he gets it he hardly wastes a possesion.

To say that he hasn't strung together good games for us in the past is so far off the mark its not funny.

I bet you in 3 years time when Ladhams, and hopefully Fanta, are long gone, you will be still stubbornly singing their praises.

 

[outback jack]

Blah, blah, blah......

You sound like a nagging wife with period pain

I rate Ladhams on his talent alone. I do not think he is a very special player. He is replacable but the problem is we don't have anyone to replace him with because he is the only genuine crumber on our list who can kick opporrtunistic goals.

End of discussion.

i am very insulted, infact insults are usually used to cover up facts, this one such example

he is not a genuine crumber, infact as you yourself have said he doent play in a pocket very well, and this just happens to be where the crumbers play. We dont have a genuine crumber. Blind support for some favourites doesnt make you right stiffy.

 

[- PC -]

ladhams has always been a bits play not much else and has hardly been missed. .

I will agree with you on this..and if delisted would also hardly be missed..but he IS on our list and he has produced before. It is up to him to shove it up NC. His position on our list may also have to do with contracts.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I bet you in 3 years time when Ladhams, and hopefully Fanta, are long gone, you will be still stubbornly singing their praises.

No because you are being ignorant and selectively reading what you want to read.

FACT: Ladhams is our best crumber who can play as a full time small forward that can kick goals. He has it in him. Its up to him to see if he wants it or not and that what this year is about. This is his last chance. He takes it and we are all better for it. He fails we move on end of story. He has produced for us in the past but some of you conviniently overlook this and just bag players for the sake of bagging them.

I think Fanta's job is quite safe because if you actually do a proper research, see what picks he had available and who he picked up with them. How many AFL games has that player played. Do the same for every other club. See what the average play 50, 100, 150, 200 AFL games in each draft pool and where those players were selected. Take out the average of of every other club to get the success rate and compare it to James' record. Then you will realise his record is only behind 2 other recruiting managers in the league and I will let you work out which clubs employ those 2 guys.

Its easy to shoot off the hip without all the facts. Something thats happening a hell of a lot around here lately. Whethere its about James or Craig. People have their view and stick by them no matter how flawed they are

 

[Crowked]

FACT: Ladhams is our best crumber who can play as a full time small forward that can kick goals.

Your 100% spot on here

If Ladhams isnt playing on Friday night, we are tanking.

Well, maybe not but we certainly arent playing our best team. Which at best is really stupid. He has to get a freakin game FFS.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Your 100% spot on here

If Ladhams isnt playing on Friday night, we are tanking.

Well, maybe not but we certainly arent playing our best team. Which at best is really stupid. He has to get a freakin game FFS.

I wouldn't say we are tanking. I would say his attitud to football hasn't improved to the point where he has convinced NC that he wants to be an AFL footballer.

If Ladhams doesn't get picked then its entirely his fault and no one else's

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

No because you are being ignorant and selectively reading what you want to read.

FACT: Ladhams is our best crumber who can play as a full time small forward that can kick goals. He has it in him. Its up to him to see if he wants it or not and that what this year is about. This is his last chance. He takes it and we are all better for it. He fails we move on end of story.He has produced for us in the past but some of you conviniently overlook this and just bag players for the sake of bagging them.
I think Fanta's job is quite safe because if you actually do a proper research, see what picks he had available and who he picked up with them. How many AFL games has that player played. Do the same for every other club. See what the average play 50, 100, 150, 200 AFL games in each draft pool and where those players were selected. Take out the average of of every other club to get the success rate and compare it to James' record. Then you will realise his record is only behind 2 other recruiting managers in the league and I will let you work out which clubs emply those 2 guys.

Its easy to shoot off the hip without all the facts. Something that happening a hell of a lot around here lately. Whethere its about James or Craig. People have their view and stick by them no matter how flawed they are

and divide it by the square root of the average % of games played in the past 8 years - what rubbish Stiff.

So how did the following players end up on our list, they just miraculously appeared i suppose.

Begley,
Bock,
Burton,
Bode,
Jericho,
Kruger,
Ladhams,
Massie,
Perrie,
Schuback,
Shirley,
Skipworth,
Smith,
S Stevens.

It sh*ts me off too when people constantly bag the AFC and everything it does. But it also p*sses me off when some look at the club through rose coloured classes all the time. Isn't that how we got ouselves in this mess in the first place? A little realism now and then doesn't hurt.

 

[outback jack]

No because you are being ignorant and selectively reading what you want to read.

FACT: Ladhams is our best crumber who can play as a full time small forward that can kick goals. He has it in him. Its up to him to see if he wants it or not and that what this year is about. This is his last chance. He takes it and we are all better for it. He fails we move on end of story. He has produced for us in the past but some of you conviniently overlook this and just bag players for the sake of bagging them.

I think Fanta's job is quite safe because if you actually do a proper research, see what picks he had available and who he picked up with them. How many AFL games has that player played. Do the same for every other club. See what the average play 50, 100, 150, 200 AFL games in each draft pool and where those players were selected. Take out the average of of every other club to get the success rate and compare it to James' record. Then you will realise his record is only behind 2 other recruiting managers in the league and I will let you work out which clubs emply those 2 guys.

Its easy to shoot off the hip without all the facts. Something that happening a hell of a lot around here lately. Whethere its about James or Craig. People have their view and stick by them no matter how flawed they are

stiffy you're as a greater shooter of 'facts' going around here than anyone else.

ladhams is our best reinvented crumber in the sanfl and hopefully it stays that way.

Anyway your arguments dont make sense if he has recruited well then why isnt there any good young talent coming through? Skipworth doesnt count as young talent, thats called average talent. Thompson is the only gun youngster we have and we overlooked him and had to trade to get him.

Using the amount of games played is a flawed argument too. Perrie has played seventy odd, doughty has played quite a few but they are ********e. Shirely, ladhams, reilly, bode have all played games doesnt make them good players. It just means if these guys are getting games that our performance slips and this is exactly what has happen in the last two yrs.

And of course he wont be sacked, mainly cause they are a happy little family there and each of them is to blame. As has been said a million times the trading has hurt us the most. you are in the know so who does the trading?? He should be sacked. Jimmy though hasnt done well enough to get guys with the picks we have. When he had his bit in the paper, it was interesting that he included meson and VB as part of the best young talent we’ve had for yrs. He also included Thompson. To me this is getting desperate to include guys that haven’t played yet and another we had to trade for. This was cause if he’d just left reilly, mattner, skippy and co the ones he’d actually recruited the talent would start looking very thin.