Bomber midfield query

[bees]

how can you consider a grand final loss and a prelim final loss by 1 point bad seasons???

most teams would kill to have the amount of success we have had in the past decade.

look i love the bombers i'm menber every year but i just think we should of had changes years ago.

 

[hulld]

look i love the bombers i'm menber every year but i just think we should of had changes years ago.

for what reason????

 

[foj1]

Slattery-Not proven yet-looks around in fear for mrs topdon
Welsh- Poor Footballer
Cole- Not proven
Pev-Good tagger but slow and average disposal
Heff- not bad but no McVeigh

Do you really think Welsh is a poor footballer?
He lacks speed which limits where he can play but I think he is one of our smartest and toughest footballers. You are calling Pev a good tagger but this is 2007 not 2001. I would argue he has forgotten the qualities that got him to the dance and he hasnt been an effective tagger for some time. The comment you made about slattery is cryptic at best. Taking it literally, fear is a quality I wouldnt readily identify in Henry. Heff not bad but no McVeigh. What does that mean?
When discussing a teams midfield we need to discuss 12 players not 5 to be realistic about where the mighty bombers or any team for that matter are really at.

 

[Merv]

Do you really think Welsh is a poor footballer?
He lacks speed which limits where he can play but I think he is one of our smartest and toughest footballers. You are calling Pev a good tagger but this is 2007 not 2001. I would argue he has forgotten the qualities that got him to the dance and he hasnt been an effective tagger for some time. The comment you made about slattery is cryptic at best. Taking it literally, fear is a quality I wouldnt readily identify in Henry. Heff not bad but no McVeigh. What does that mean?
When discussing a teams midfield we need to discuss 12 players not 5 to be realistic about where the mighty bombers or any team for that matter are really at.

Yes i do think Welsh is a poor footballer, but i have never questioned his application and i totally disagree with you about him being smart.

The Slatts comment was a joke directed at the wife of topdon, who is a mssive slatts fan.I don't think anyone could brand him with fearful

I didn't pluck those players out and claim they were our midfield, but made comment on the ones offered by another poster.

The heff comment i would have thought was very obvious.
His disposal is not as good, his ability to win as much of the ball is not as good nor is his ability to shutdown a small/medium forward.

 

[Yagabomb]

Aside from the Hird comment, I can't say I agree with any thing you've said. Jason Johnson does not have much to prove this year. His poor form could be directly associated with the foot injury that wrecked his pre-season. After he went back to the VFL and regained full fitness, he was back to his old self. When Campo has played, he really has been better than ordinary, not that I'm saying he was great. The only problem with Campo is that he hasn't played enough. There is no similarity between Stanton and Misiti other than the number 24 guernsey. Misiti was the in and under pack player, Stanton is far more the ball carrier type. Watson is a good player. He's not yet AA standard but the value he provides in a contest is very high. Sure, he's not the best of kicks and he handballs a lot. With the handball he sets up play and brings more players into the game and with the kick it's not like he always misses his targets, just occasionally. I'm not saying Essendon's midfield is all that good, but don't treat it harsher than it deserves.

How can u say jj has nothing 2 prove this year? He was't wanted by essendon at the end of last season. He was used as trade bait but no-one wanted him so i think he's got plenty 2 prove this year.

 

[hulld]

the saints and the dees wanted him, but they weren't willing to give up their first round draft pick

 

[Yagabomb]

the saints and the dees wanted him, but they weren't willing to give up their first round draft pick

Look all im saying is that he dosn't have 2 prove that he can play the game but prove 2 sheeds and 2 the supporters that he can still keep up with the pace of the game and that it was the rite thing 2 do signing him up for 2 years

 

[bees]

Look all im saying is that he dosn't have 2 prove that he can play the game but prove 2 sheeds and 2 the supporters that he can still keep up with the pace of the game and that it was the rite thing 2 do signing him up for 2 years

yagabomb you are only bloke on this forum thats knows anything bout footy these other blokes wouldn't have an clue about footy it seems

 

[hulld]

why do i have this strange feeling that "bees" and "yagabomb" are the same person???

their join date is the same and there is no way that anybody could agree with what either of them are saying.

 

[bees]

why do i have this strange feeling that "bees" and "yagabomb" are the same person???

their join date is the same and there is no way that anybody could agree with what either of them are saying.

mate were not the same person but i konw that yagabombs loves the durgs

 

[Bombs Away]

why do i have this strange feeling that "bees" and "yagabomb" are the same person???

their join date is the same and there is no way that anybody could agree with what either of them are saying.

Think so, bofe went to the same skool of riting and speling and bofe mak no sens wen dey rite

 

[hulld]

anyway........

who would be everyone's first choice defensive midfielder for sunday. presumeably they would play on goodwin.

slats, heff, pev or mcveigh????

 

[Osmodiar]

mcveigh

 

[One Man Band]

yagabomb was rite u have no idea.

I think bees and yagabomb have been hanging with benny cousins for far too long! J Johnson is a matchwinner, and Jobe is the future of the club. This type of quality doesn't grow on trees!!

 

[hulld]

mcveigh

he would be my first choice aswell. although i think sheeds will start him in defence as he is very reliable and rarely gets beaten

 

[Yagabomb]

why do i have this strange feeling that "bees" and "yagabomb" are the same person???

their join date is the same and there is no way that anybody could agree with what either of them are saying.

We're not the same person mate and as for the other crap you were saying i really couldn't care less if u agree with me or not. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and thats mine. I suppose you thought judd lulich and ben doolan were good players aswell. It's supporters like you that think they know it all about footy because you go to every game or watch every game. Have you ever played the game? It's about time you stopped making excuses for players and the team not doing well and except the fact that the only way the dons are going to get any better this year is if guys like jj, bradly, pev, welsh, lovertt pull their finger out and actually step up and not rely on hirdy or lloyd to win a game for them

 

[hulld]

We're not the same person mate and as for the other crap you were saying i really couldn't care less if u agree with me or not. Everyone is entitled to there opinion and thats mine. I suppose you thought judd lulich and ben doolan were good players aswell. It's supporters like you that think they know it all about footy because you go to every game or watch every game. Have you ever played the game? It's about time you stopped making excuses for players and the team not doing well and except the fact that the only way the dons are going to get any better this year is if guys like jj, bradly, pev, welsh, lovertt pull their finger out and actually step up and not rely on hirdy or lloyd to win a game for them

yes i have played plenty of footy matches.

have you heard anyone talking up lulich or doolan lately?

jj is a champion of our club so don't compare him to kepler and pev

they don't get anymore desperate than welshy and lovett is the most talented footballer on our list.

what is the point of coming on here and bagging your own team. what are you trying to prove?

 

[Yagabomb]

yes i have played plenty of footy matches.

have you heard anyone talking up lulich or doolan lately?

jj is a champion of our club so don't compare him to kepler and pev

they don't get anymore desperate than welshy and lovett is the most talented footballer on our list.

what is the point of coming on here and bagging your own team. what are you trying to prove?

Im not bagging their ability all im saying is that for us to get back to playing finals footy these kind of players need to lift and get some consistensy in there game. Surely you don't disagree with me on that?

 

[Longy413]

How can u say jj has nothing 2 prove this year? He was't wanted by essendon at the end of last season. He was used as trade bait but no-one wanted him so i think he's got plenty 2 prove this year.

He was wanted by Essendon and was offered a contract.

The only way JJ was ever going to leave Essendon was if Essendon didn't give him a two year deal rather than the one year that was originally offered.

To say he wasn't wanted is utter crap.

 

[hulld]

Im not bagging their ability all im saying is that for us to get back to playing finals footy these kind of players need to lift and get some consistensy in there game. Surely you don't disagree with me on that?

your argument didn't begin with saying they were inconsistent. you said they were rubbish. obviously consistency is going to help,

however welshy finished in the top 6 in our B&F

lovett had his own personal problems last year which heavily affected his football

jj has been one of the most consistent guys at our club for almost 10 years. he suffered last year because he was rushed into the side after an interupted pre-season.

i'm not fans of pev and kepler so i won't try to defend them. although both have had their good games.

 

[Yagabomb]

your argument didn't begin with saying they were inconsistent. you said they were rubbish. obviously consistency is going to help,

however welshy finished in the top 6 in our B&F

lovett had his own personal problems last year which heavily affected his football

jj has been one of the most consistent guys at our club for almost 10 years. he suffered last year because he was rushed into the side after an interupted pre-season.

i'm not fans of pev and kepler so i won't try to defend them. although both have had their good games.

No my argument started with compared to some of the other midfielders watson was rubbish. Anyway enough with this lets just hope we can get back up there and start playing finals footy again. I've got a question for u hulld. Do u think lloyd,lucas and johns can all work in the forward line?

 

[hulld]

No my argument started with compared to some of the other midfielders watson was rubbish. Anyway enough with this lets just hope we can get back up there and start playing finals footy again. I've got a question for u hulld. Do u think lloyd,lucas and johns can all work in the forward line?

yes i do. i think it is worth persisting with. the potential is huge.

lucas is at his best pushing up to the HFF/wing. when he kicks the ball long into the forward line it puts opposition defenders under serios pressure.

lloydy should be leading non stop. when he gets into a wrestle with the best full backs he seems to struggle a bit. if we open up the forward line for him there is no reason he can't kick 80 goals for the season.

cj should be used as the third option when going forward. as he is going to be getting the dud tall defender on him everyweek i would expect him to win the majority of the marking contests. if we can give him a one-on-one contest week-in-week-out there is no reason why he couldn't kick 2 goals a game. cj showed signs last year of his potential. if he can contribute a couple of goals a game there is no team that could stop the three big fellows.

by having the three big guys there it means we don't have to have an over reliance on anyone of them.

then with davey, lovett and monfries at their feet, forward line pressure shuoldn't be a problem

oh yeah.....and there is a guy called hird who may fit in there

do you think it can work???

 

[Merv]

yes i do. i think it is worth persisting with. the potential is huge.

lucas is at his best pushing up to the HFF/wing. when he kicks the ball long into the forward line it puts opposition defenders under serios pressure.

lloydy should be leading non stop. when he gets into a wrestle with the best full backs he seems to struggle a bit. if we open up the forward line for him there is no reason he can't kick 80 goals for the season.

cj should be used as the third option when going forward. as he is going to be getting the dud tall defender on him everyweek i would expect him to win the majority of the marking contests. if we can give him a one-on-one contest week-in-week-out there is no reason why he couldn't kick 2 goals a game. cj showed signs last year of his potential. if he can contribute a couple of goals a game there is no team that could stop the three big fellows.

by having the three big guys there it means we don't have to have an over reliance on anyone of them.

then with davey, lovett and monfries at their feet, forward line pressure shuoldn't be a problem

oh yeah.....and there is a guy called hird who may fit in there

do you think it can work???

And that is where a lot of our problems have stemmed from.

It APPEARS we have no game plan and we stuff around and chip the ball around back and forth etc etc that by the time the ball gets anywhere near our forward line, its full of the opposition players.

Until this changes, and nothing i have seen from us in the pre season suggests to me it has, we will struggle.

 

[hulld]

if we kick the ball long we will be fine

 

[Merv]

if we kick the ball long we will be fine

The word Long, is not in Sheeds vocabulary, unless he is talking about one of his favourite players