Coach Bomber's coaching (PLAY NICE)

[BrunoV]

St Kilda won tactically. We had no answer to their flood.

You don't overcome a flood with tactics.

The players just need to think their way through the game.

 

[BrunoV]

Safe/slow ball retention wasn't the plan, Thompson has consistently said he wanted them to move the ball faster and more directly.



http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-17/mark-thompson-postmatch-r9-2014-

The players simply execute it better now.

Yep. The players struggled to adjust to the lower impact style of play and over compensated in the process.

As they've hard more time with the system and the forward line has settled down a bit with significantly improved output from ball carrying midfielders we've either gotten better at making the right decision (with the ability to execute) or we've not needed to make the right decision because of the flow of play.

It always amazes that people are so quick to jump all over a game plan. It all comes down to whether the players are executing the plan and ultimately whether the plan is capable of being constantly implemented (which is the main issue with the run and gun we have previously favoured).

Even if we end up going a step or two back this year the addition of different gears at which we can play the game and the opportunities given to junior players will make for much more substantial gains next year.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

You don't overcome a flood with tactics.

The players just need to think their way through the game.

Yes you do. You set up so you're not slaughtered on the counter. Our defence that day was David Luiz level bad. Over-committing forward, failing to score and conceding on the rebound is just tactical naivety.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Lol, Luiz.

 

[Knight Ryders]

Agreed - does that speak to the depth of the roster or the coach though?

(I'd say roster considering Hawks kept Hawking on despite Clarksons unfortuante hospital visit)

I think Clarkson's coaching has made his list look like it has more depth than it actually has.

In terms of Clarko not being there for a month, I think they way that he coaches (and Bomber) is that they are such great teachers, that they can walk away for a period of time and the teams continues to be successful.

It would take a lot for somebody to convince me that Bomber was not the main reason Geelong won a premiership in 2011, despite not being there. He taught those players not only how to play, but how to coach themselves on field during a match. We're starting to see some of that come through now with players directing and instructing on field more than I've ever seen us do.

That is the genius in what Clarko and Bomber do - they develop a self-facilitating team that is able to coach themselves in many areas. They're not waiting on being told what to do every waking minute.

 

[Dave]

Mt read is that he appeared too laid back at the start of the season (don't know if that was just for show or not), and that flowed onto the playing group. Seems to be taking things more seriously now, as do they.

 

[JDavey]

I think Clarkson's coaching has made his list look like it has more depth than it actually has.

In terms of Clarko not being there for a month, I think they way that he coaches (and Bomber) is that they are such great teachers, that they can walk away for a period of time and the teams continues to be successful.

It would take a lot for somebody to convince me that Bomber was not the main reason Geelong won a premiership in 2011, despite not being there. He taught those players not only how to play, but how to coach themselves on field during a match. We're starting to see some of that come through now with players directing and instructing on field more than I've ever seen us do.

That is the genius in what Clarko and Bomber do - they develop a self-facilitating team that is able to coach themselves in many areas. They're not waiting on being told what to do every waking minute.

Great point RE teaching players how to coach on field.

Can't make any adjustments in the last couple of minutes of a game, its all up to the onfield coaching - couldn't find a more clutch team then Geelong through their glory years in the past decade.

 

[bombermick]

Many of us were openly scoffing at Bomber's suggestions that we would improve as the year went on, as well as he continuing to believe Carlisle would make it as a forward. The lesson: don't doubt a coaching genius.

 

[Eleven 38]

I still think we need to win 5 more games for us to have improved towards the end of the year..

 

[The Prosecutor]

Hopefully he is senior coach for next year and beyond.

 

[jaguaress]

Bomber took Geelong and made them into one of the best teams in history. He is a proven, brilliant coach.

I dont understand this obsession with Hird and discounting Bomber if Hird returns. Sure Hird is great guy, a playing legend and has "respect" by many ppl in Essendon but his coaching is a roll of the dice. Why are so many ppl willing to putt him before Bomber for 2015?

 

[Seb78]

What I personally would like to see happen is Hird by his own admission come in and say to Bomber and Little "I want to come back and finish what I started but would like to do it as an assistant under bomber for the next 2 years and learn the caper from one of the best". I have no doubt Hirdy will be senior coach of the EFC again in the future just hoping bomber has a fair good go at it first for at least another 2 years. Has the capability of turning a good team into a premiership team (he's done it before)

Not sure Hirdy will give it up though. I love them both so whatever happens happens I guess

 

[Mercurial89]

Bit harsh on Hird that now we are suddenly seen to be doing well he shouldnt coach and Bomber should stay on. There is no reason Hird cant be senior coach and Bomber can stay on in a development role. We have improved every year under Hird, we have improved under Bomber but who says the same thing wouldnt have happened under Hird? I think its a bit disrepectful to go "umm James we are winning atm so do you mind sitting back while Bomber gets some plaudits and wins some games with the team you helped build, and then when the team has peaked you can come in for its inevitable decline, Cheers mate".

The Prosecutor this isnt directed at you as i know you have been strong on Hird not coming back the whole time, more at people who have suddenly changed their minds after quickly changing their minds earlier in the season when we started doing poorly under Bomber. People hitch their wagon to whatever is the flavor of the month, its why the Media are so woeful.

 

[BomberManU]

The club should do everything it can to keep Thompson as coach - but, hopefully Hird makes the decision for them, and steps away from coaching. Two words that are music to my ears, when talking about the current team, are 'professionalism' and 'sustainable'. Haven't heard that about an Essendon side for a long time. These are the qualities that Bomber brings to the table, and I don't think Hird does/can. I think the club will regret it for a long time if Bomber leaves and coaches elsewhere.
And, I know it's not the right thread, but the whole ASADA mess will never go away if Hird returns, no matter what the ultimate outcome is - even his staunchest supporters must be able to see this?

 

[Maddogm]

What I personally would like to see happen is Hird by his own admission come in and say to Bomber and Little "I want to come back and finish what I started but would like to do it as an assistant under bomber for the next 2 years and learn the caper from one of the best". I have no doubt Hirdy will be senior coach of the EFC again in the future just hoping bomber has a fair good go at it first for at least another 2 years. Has the capability of turning a good team into a premiership team (he's done it before)

Not sure Hirdy will give it up though. I love them both so whatever happens happens I guess

I think that's the only way Bomber would stay on as Senior Coach, I got the impression early on that if the board tried to approach him behind Hird's back he'd tell them to get stuffed.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

The only way i can see him keep coaching beyond this year

1. Bomber want's to keep doing it.
2. Hird agrees to step aside.

Also giving Hird 2 year contract makes it tough.

 

[CourtzMajora]

Bomber is enjoying being interim coach, I don't think his original stance is going to change by the end of the season.

 

[Beerfish]

I think the best anyone can hope for is that he agrees to stay on in the role he held last year (or similar) once Jim returns. I will eat Andrew Walker's hat if he usurps Hird.

 

[rines]

I think the set up was working well before all this crap started. Hird in the main seat and Bomber to tweak the edges.. I would very much like to see both men return to these roles next year.

I also have no doubt that our team would be performing to the same, if not better, standard under Hird.. as we should. The plan for our rebirth and rise up the ladder was started three years ago.. and we are just continuing that growth. This ASADA shit has got in the way.. but the results point to the fact that our team is getting better every year.

 

[jaguaress]

Bit harsh on Hird that now we are suddenly seen to be doing well he shouldnt coach and Bomber should stay on. There is no reason Hird cant be senior coach and Bomber can stay on in a development role. We have improved every year under Hird, we have improved under Bomber but who says the same thing wouldnt have happened under Hird? I think its a bit disrepectful to go "umm James we are winning atm so do you mind sitting back while Bomber gets some plaudits and wins some games with the team you helped build, and then when the team has peaked you can come in for its inevitable decline, Cheers mate".

The Prosecutor this isnt directed at you as i know you have been strong on Hird not coming back the whole time, more at people who have suddenly changed their minds after quickly changing their minds earlier in the season when we started doing poorly under Bomber. People hitch their wagon to whatever is the flavor of the month, its why the Media are so woeful.

I think Hird could learn a lot of Bomber, he can still be a coach there, not getting on a bandwagon because Bomber won a game, we have been playing badly for many reasons, we will improve no doubt. There is no flavour of the month as many ppl want Hird back, which shows great loyalty. Just not everyone wants his back as the senior coach.

 

[yaco55]

Bit harsh on Hird that now we are suddenly seen to be doing well he shouldnt coach and Bomber should stay on. There is no reason Hird cant be senior coach and Bomber can stay on in a development role. We have improved every year under Hird, we have improved under Bomber but who says the same thing wouldnt have happened under Hird? I think its a bit disrepectful to go "umm James we are winning atm so do you mind sitting back while Bomber gets some plaudits and wins some games with the team you helped build, and then when the team has peaked you can come in for its inevitable decline, Cheers mate".

The Prosecutor this isnt directed at you as i know you have been strong on Hird not coming back the whole time, more at people who have suddenly changed their minds after quickly changing their minds earlier in the season when we started doing poorly under Bomber. People hitch their wagon to whatever is the flavor of the month, its why the Media are so woeful.

To be perfectly honest, the more I find out about the behind the scenes machinations from 2011/2012, the stronger my opinion that Hird shouldn't return.

 

[HurlsMeister18]

To be perfectly honest, the more I find out about the behind the scenes machinations from 2011/2012, the stronger my opinion that Hird shouldn't return.

So why do the players want and have no problem with Hird coming back if things were so bad in 11/12 ?

I'm sure the players have more of an idea than you about the behind the scenes machinations.

 

[Jade]

I think Bomber is doing an outstanding job.

For a man who is only in the seat for a season, it would have been easy for him to simply foot his foot to the floor, disregard any future considerations and play our strongest team week in week out.

And we'd likely end up exactly where we've been the last few years.

The game plan isn't the problem.

We've got several senior players who are/were out of form, a consistent and deliberate policy of getting games into our younger players, and a forward line that we know is a work in progress.

We've played pretty poorly, yet we are still 4-5. And I don't think we've been this well placed to head into a second half of a season in a long time. Fit list, lots of experience into youngsters and a consistent game plan.

The ASADA horseshit is clearly having an effect - but that's out of our control.

Looking forward to the remainder of the year.

 

[Mercurial89]

Its almost as if you didnt jump to a conclusion and waited for the year to unfold before declaring the sky falling..... are you some kind of wizard?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Bomber took Geelong and made them into one of the best teams in history. He is a proven, brilliant coach.

I dont understand this obsession with Hird and discounting Bomber if Hird returns. Sure Hird is great guy, a playing legend and has "respect" by many ppl in Essendon but his coaching is a roll of the dice. Why are so many ppl willing to putt him before Bomber for 2015?

Because he's contracted to coach for the next two years, and we're not a club that ****s our champions over like Carlton.