Bowdens Comments

[Mario Speedwagon]

i think everybody is OVERreacting just a shade.

Bowden is a smart fellow who's been in the game a long time, and he's not saying anything that everyone else isn't thinking.

Yeah a genius at looking after himself.

give the guy a break, IMO there'd be about 15 players to drop before him.

Shoulda retired last year

last year after he saved the essendon game (after his backline collegues nearly blew it),

Yeah it was cunning, but let's see what he does this year now that you actually have to play football in that situation.

won the brisbane game,

The same game we nearly lost after he decided to kill our run and play keepings off a full 6 minutes from the end , which eventually allowed Brisbane to regain the lead.

and took a big mark in the port game nobody was questioning his attitude.

Well I certainly was and was roundly critical of everyone on here giving him votes ...again was one the main culprits that stopped our run in that last quarter causing to go back into shell and putting us in the precarious situation in the first place, had only 1 contested possession the whole game ....even everyone's favourite whipping boy, JON had a better last quarter than him...

we're a joke around the league because we eat our own. FFS it's only round 2 and you've all turned on one of the senior players.

We're in a joke in the league because we are crap and have been for so long.."eat our own" is just another anti-Richmond myth perpetuated by a media that is generally hostile towards our club and it's supporters.......how the **** does being passionate and demanding a certain level of performance and calling out those who constantly fail to provide it (i.e. what fans of most clubs do) qualify as "eating our own"? What happened to "Ruthless Richmond"?

 

[oxx]

Surely this exposes bowden for the individualistic,selfish mug he is.

As part of a team and a supposed leader,one would expect him to exercise the precautionary measures needed when dealing with such a sensitive issue.

How can anyone argue otherwise ??????

Clearly the clubs best interests appear way below Joels public image,in his mind but hasn't that always been the way.....

 

[JR#8]

Here is the actual video if anybody wants to watch the interview.

http://player.video.news.com.au/heraldsun/#hYdxpSl_fW95H3aqTXPVHvVC4Ndjk5qA

 

[asanque]

Just out of curiousity, why doesn't Terry Wallace play Bowden in the backline?

Bowden has been a back since his career started and is now being reinvented as a forward? From the times I've seen him go forward he's only been a moderate success at best.

Similar to how the Hawks have used Campbell Brown as a forward. Worked well on occasion but the backline needs shoring up and he needs to play as a back. Its very rare for a backman to turn into a good forward late in his career.

Against Carlton, the Tiges appeared lost and needed an experienced head.
I think Bowden would play the Hodge quarterback role well, roaming loose in the backline. He is also a good short kick (generally) and can hit targets.

I have a few mates who bleed Richmond and the match against the blues was a shocking display. I tipped the Tiges for the 8 and thought Cousins would add that element of skill needed to hit your forwards.

The Tiges have a good team structually.
With Morton and Riewoldt as lead up forwards. Tambling and Cotchin as quick forwards. (Edit: Tiges also need more forward defensive pressure - bring in Nahas?)(Edit: the set shot kicking has been awful as well and was awful last year - i.e. Riewoldt, Richo)
I'd have Richo playing a Pavlich type role rotating between the forward line and midfield.
Midfield is a gun line up of Foley, Deledio, Tuck, Johnson (and Cousins and Coughlan when fit).
Defence is weak, but lots of up and comers such as Thursfield and Moore.

Good luck against the Cats
I watched the match against the hawks and they were very polished for the start of the season. Inaccuracy costing them a much larger win.
You won't get any favours from the umps either.
(Edit: I recommend turning the match into a shoot-out. The cats showed themselves to be vulnerable in the last quarter to an attacking barrage)

Edit: Maybe Bowden is frustrated at being played out of position. The Tiges seemed to go best last year when he was playing as a back.

 

[_Wang_]

He spoke the truth.
In any part of life if what you are doing is not working it is healthy to question and scrutinise your performance and make changes if necessary.
Terry and his 'tactical genius' should be shown the door.

 

[Wally Matera]

I listened to the whole interview and l think he played Robbo quite well. However, l dont know if l'm reading too much into it but, Robbo questioned JB saying... "so you havent read any newspapers all week to hear that Eddie Maguire questioned the long term future of Terry Wallace?!?!"

JB's response:

"I've only been concentrating on my own game and how l can improve to have a better game this week, l dont always listen to the media, this week l chose not to."

Is it me, or is that another example of how Bowden only plays for himself? How about concentrating on what the team needs him to do?

 

[froars]

He made a big song and dance when asked about Sheedy coaching that he's deliberately stayed out of listening to the media this week.

Then why is he giving press conferences lol

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Can't believe you guys. It was a fantastic media performance by Bowden. I haven't heard a league footballer serve it up to the hacks with as much contempt and articulate derision for ages ... probably ever. Bugger the lot of 'em. The tone in his voice and the way he jumped at their pitiful questioning was gold.

They'll come a bit more prepared next time if they know it's Bowden and not one of the media-inhibited robots they're up against.

First time I've been proud to be a Tiger supporter all week.

 

[cormick]

Yeah it was cunning, but let's see what he does this year now that you actually have to play football in that situation.
The same game we nearly lost after he decided to kill our run and play keepings off a full 6 minutes from the end , which eventually allowed Brisbane to regain the lead.

You might notice that it was actually when Thursfield kicked 50m upfield to a contest that the ball got turned over. Hardly the "slowdown" tactic that Bowden instigated. Hardly Bowden's fault. Lmao at grown men pretending they're in yr 12 literature and trying to find meanings in absolutely everything. Over-analysis much?

"Yeah we played pretty poorly as a team (which is pretty obvious seeing as we got flogged by 83 points), and if we continue doing so, changes will have to be made"

Into

"I'm a selfish prick always blaming my teammates with no heart or talent, and all my match-winning exploits were just flukes and acts of selfishness..."

Riiight...

 

[Richo URA Star]

The game plan obviously does not work. TW should have enough sense to see the writing on the wall and change it. Go direct and long thats the best game plan not all this stuffing around with handball, run and carry, short 15 metre kick passes sideways and forward. The turnovers are killing us. If your at the back half ****** kick it long into the forward line. I cant see the ball turning over in mid air between CHB and CHF half the goals kicked against us will disappear. FFs use common sense. Long kicks is a major part of the solution.

 

[_RT_]

Don't have any problems with what JB said. Its the honest turth, if we play crap again then changes will have to be made, whether that is players and/or gameplan something will have to be done.

Sometimes I just get the feeling that some of us are just looking for something to be critical of regards the club. Someone comes out and says something like Bowden has and its the first sign that cracks are appearing. If no-one was to make a comment there would be post after post about how none of the players care.

 

[1980GFVideo]

Wouldnt he be first of the queue in the department of personel changes.

Is he under the impression that he is a permanent for the rest of the year.

If the season is shot early then his career would finnish around that time.

Lets hope not. Couldnt stand a year of lets go with youth (and all will be rosy in the future)

 

[Barnzy]

Don't have any problems with what JB said. Its the honest turth, if we play crap again then changes will have to be made, whether that is players and/or gameplan something will have to be done.

Sometimes I just get the feeling that some of us are just looking for something to be critical of regards the club. Someone comes out and says something like Bowden has and its the first sign that cracks are appearing. If no-one was to make a comment there would be post after post about how none of the players care.

Trust me people don't look for extra reasons to be critical, there's plenty already.

 

[TOOs_Finest]

I reckon you are right.

Allelujah!

 

[Rayzorwire]

"Perhaps if we're not competitive maybe there's changes made to personnel or changes made to the structure or the system that we're trying to implement," he said on Tuesday.

Go coach killer!

Maybe you can add another couple of scalps to your collection before you finally piss off to a new job where you get paid buckets of money for coasting.

they are dip.....they are saying.. THE PLAN IS SHIT AND WE PLAY SHIT AND HAVE PLAYED SHIT FOR ITS ENTIRE LIFE....CHANGE THE ****ER!!!!
We follow the plan and we always look shit

We won games or were very competitive when we implemented our game plan last year California. When we deviated from it and played individualistic Bowdenesque football, we got flogged.

Bowden has been a back since his career started

= Bowden was always a back during the apparently short time you've watched football.

Here in the real world, Bowden was a slow, lazy, failed cheap stat midfielder/HFF for 150 games before our defence was so depleted they tried him there.

No gut running, an avalanche of cheap stats, he'd found his niche.

He was as talented as Deledio when he entered the league, but he never challenged himself, never dug deep, never worked hard, and the club paid the price for his selfish, arrogant laziness.

I haven't heard a league footballer serve it up to the hacks with as much contempt and articulate derision for ages ... probably ever. Bugger the lot of 'em.

The thing you apparently miss GoJJ is that Bowden thinks about 99% of the world - his teammates and the club more or less included - the exact same way.

He's so 'smart' he managed to erase the part of his brain which feels and acknowledges shame a decade ago.

 

[Strawbs]

Don't have any problems with what JB said. Its the honest turth, if we play crap again then changes will have to be made, whether that is players and/or gameplan something will have to be done.

Sometimes I just get the feeling that some of us are just looking for something to be critical of regards the club. Someone comes out and says something like Bowden has and its the first sign that cracks are appearing. If no-one was to make a comment there would be post after post about how none of the players care.

Spot on RT. Love the way he showed the media hacks that their rubbish is irrelevant. Love too how some people conveniently forget how often Bowden played way out of his size range on KPFs. If some of the critics heard the whole interview instead of reacting to an edited version in an article they would realise that he supported the coach and also said that we hadn't trained for six months to throw out everything after one loss. And as if he only wants to be competitive this week - obviously he (and the team) want to win but after being non-competitive last week, competitive would be a start! But hey, when you hate a player, you can twist his words to suit your argument.

 

[deliberate!!]

Joeline Bowden is a 'plant' put in the club by OXX just to confuse us all.
Think about it...you know it makes sense.

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Btw...Was it my deep despair at the 'G' on Thursday night or has J.Bowden lost 'another' yard? Then again I was in a deep depression.

 

[nut]

The comments were from the article in the age... not from that video clip.

 

[Rayzorwire]

Btw...Was it my deep despair at the 'G' on Thursday night or has J.Bowden lost 'another' yard? Then again I was in a deep depression.

Certainly looked that way to me delib.

He was 'cherry ripe' Frawley style.

 

[sante]

This is where a lot of Richmond supporters get hatred towards him etc. They read too much into media interviews.

LMAO, I think some supporters are a bigger joke than how we played Thursday night.

 

[Rayzorwire]

This is where a lot of Richmond supporters get hatred towards him etc. They read too much into media interviews.

His media appearances are merely irritating, he's disliked solely for the way he goes about his football.

 

[one eyedtiger]

Nothing really wrong with what he said. But that word competitive. Those comments about being Competitive are probably realistic but players can not go into a game with that attitude. They have to go there believing they can win, or else we have no chance. Oh no be "Competitve" Flashbacks of 07

 

[James_Best]

^^ agree.

i must admit when i heard the comments last nite on channel 10 when he said 'we just need to be competetive this week' what I heard was 'weve have conceded we are not good enough to be geelong but if we try harder hopefulyl we wont get flogged'

when your mindset is worrying more about losing then winning then you are so far behind you may as well not turn up.

however, in saying all that im not going to criticise bowden or the club any further (ive done enough of that over the last week) and just wait and see to how they respond this weekend - ie by seeing the changes wallace makes to the team and our intensity at the ball against geelong.
i am by no means expecting a win this weekend but who knows what a change in attitude can do....... go tiges!

 

[GhostofJimJess]

The thing you apparently miss GoJJ is that Bowden thinks about 99% of the world - his teammates and the club more or less included - the exact same way.

He's so 'smart' he managed to erase the part of his brain which feels and acknowledges shame a decade ago.

Dopey post, Razor. Garbled, reactionary rubbish.

You seem to have taken on a self-appointed capacity to declare whether or not players feel shame, as if you alone have been blessed with some kind of special insight of which the rest of us have unfortunately been deprived.

You also have clearly pre-established an opinion of Joel Bowden, and nothing said or done can alter that. Game-winning marks running into back with the flight of the ball, game-winning goals with the last kick of the match, preparedness to get crunched when backing back into oncoming traffic, ability to hit targets with far more consistency than any of his teammates, preparedness to play through injuries which would oust lesser blokes, and a resilient game-saving temperament when many around him have anxiety meltdowns. None of these will budge you from you stubborn preconception.

I defintiely concede that Bowden has his flaws - I believe he's been dropped from the senior team a couple of times over the last four seasons primarily because of these. But if I could go All-Australian as many times as I could be dropped throughout my career, I'd hang my boots up at the end of it all with more than a reasonable level of individual satisfaction.

He had a shocker on Thursday night, and like Nathan Brown, admitted it publicly.

To make a public pledge to beat Geelong at Geelong in their current form and composition is a daft idea. Destined for disaster. He ... we ... the club would be totally shit-canned in the inevitability of the loss, before and afterwards.

However, to vow a far more competitive approach is something realistic and achievable. "Competitive" to me implies hard attack on the footy and a better level of skill, and that a win is at least possible if our planets align like Carlton's did last Thursday night.

And to completely trash those useless bunch of hacks who call themselves football media, when they least expect it, when theyhad everything to play for, is pure bloody unadulterated gold.

 

[tiger taskforce]

ALL IS NOT LOST in my 40 odd years following our beloved tigs i have noticed the following give us a game we should win based on team sheets form ect we seem to find a way to lose BUT give us no hope no chance and we often pull a rabit out of the hat not saying we will but have seen it often enough not to discount it dwawks last year for sxample