Recommitted Brad Crouch [re-signed]

[Snake Charmer]

Crouch for Lennon + Vickery? Lennon seems to be injured all the time too, both have a lot of potential and vickery as a sweetener?

Why would they want Vickery? They rate McGovern. Even if Jenkins dos leave. V

 

[Total Power]

Why would they want Vickery? They rate McGovern. Even if Jenkins dos leave. V

Backup ruck?

 

[Drewie11]

Backup ruck?

I think we would rather bring back trent ormond allen

 

[vozzon]

It would have to be a really good deal for crouch to leave. He's a good player when fit, so will eventually come good later this year and next year with a full pre season. Apart from that crows would want a good midfielder in return of his value so i cant see any club offering a like for like trade.

 

[dinger]

I find it highly unlikely he'll leave. His brother plays for the club and unless a huge amount of money is thrown at him that he can't refuse, I can't really imagine the motivation for up and leaving.
Honestly with his current ability to stay on the field, I don't think he should be offered a huge amount either. He undoubtedly has monstrous talent, but he needs to get a nice clean run of a year playing to hit some consistency. Adelaide don't have a shit fitness team and have a knack for developing players, so I don't think its a case of him being mismanaged either.

 

[gandaal]

Crouch for Lennon + Vickery? Lennon seems to be injured all the time too, both have a lot of potential and vickery as a sweetener?

Lennon is a massive dud, and Vickery is a ruckman who can kick a few goals resting forward. The only problem is that Vickery can't play ruck.

I don't think the crows would want either of those players.

 

[coxy149]

Brad hill and litherland to freo shoenmakers/TOB and hawks 2017 first round pick to adelaide
Lachie Neale to Adelaide, freo 2017 first round pick to hawks
Josh Jenkins to freo and brad crouch to hawks

 

[Morro]

Whoever takes him would surely only do so for unders as they would backing themselves to do what the Crows havent, and that is keep him injury free.

Big risk v big reward though.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

North: 2016 first round + Trent Dumont

Adel: Brad Crouch + 2017 2nd round pick.

 

[bird_man]

Backup ruck?

Vickery is a FA so he can go wherever he wants and it wouldn't be in a trade

 

[adammania9]

Whoever takes him would surely only do so for unders as they would backing themselves to do what the Crows havent, and that is keep him injury free.

Big risk v big reward though.

It'll be a premiership contender to take the risk. North or Hawthorn will get it done I think.

 

[adammania9]

Vickery is a FA so he can go wherever he wants and it wouldn't be in a trade

Vickery is restricted though. Still has trade value (unfortunately)

Brad hill and litherland to freo shoenmakers/TOB and hawks 2017 first round pick to adelaide
Lachie Neale to Adelaide, freo 2017 first round pick to hawks
Josh Jenkins to freo and brad crouch to hawks

That looks really messy so I'll try and evaluate it (I'd suspect Crows wuld want Schoey over TOB so I'll leave him out)

Freo give: Lachie Neale, 2017 1st first round pick (3-10)
Hawks give: Brad Hill, Angus Litherland, Ryan Schoenmakers, 2017 first round pick (11-18)
Crows give: Brad Crouch, Josh Jenkins

Freo get: Brad Hill, Angus Litherland, Josh Jenkins
Hawks get: Brad Crouch, Freo 2017 first round pick (3-10)
Crows get: Ryan Schoenmakers, Hawks 2017 first round pick (11-18)

There is only one winner there and it's neither Crows nor Dockers.

 

[HeHateMe]

Brad hill and litherland to freo shoenmakers/TOB and hawks 2017 first round pick to adelaide
Lachie Neale to Adelaide, freo 2017 first round pick to hawks
Josh Jenkins to freo and brad crouch to hawks

And whole heap of 2nd and 3rd round picks coming to Hawks at least to make up for all the players going out?

Lmao....

Edit: ohhhh I've miss read. That says tob or Shoey not both?

Well then that's only 3 players going out not 4. With 1 coming back and a massive first round upgrade. You have to give quality to get quality. My apologies.

 

[HeHateMe]

There is only one winner there and it's neither Crows nor Dockers.

Your not wrong, at first I thought it said Hawks where giving up 4 players and 1st for Brad crouch. So I thought it was 5 for 1 and I was like wtf we replacing them with pick 100's!!!!

But then I just reread now and saw it had a massive 1st round upgrade coming back and only one of our talls going out not both. Adelaide get shafted the most, only slightly more then freo who also get shafted. (I rate Hill and Jenkins.)

 

[coxy149]

Hawks lose:
Hill, litherland, shoey and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Brad crouch, freo 2017 first round pick
(Seems very fair) let's continue
Freo lose
Lachie neale, and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Josh Jenkins, brad hill and litherland
Adelaide lose
Brad crouch (same injury prone brad crouch who has played under 30 games and is in and out of the side) and josh Jenkins
Gain
Lachie Neale, Ryan shoenmakers and 2017 first round pick (crows don't get much for Jenkins but he is out of contract and Neale is far superior to crouch)

Crows could make a play for cloke if Jenkins goes (que the adelaide hate) but he could come good being out of Victoria playing alongside walker etc

Doesn't seem too unreasonable

 

[coxy149]

Your not wrong, at first I thought it said Hawks where giving up 4 players and 1st for Brad crouch. So I thought it was 5 for 1 and I was like wtf we replacing them with pick 100's!!!!

But then I just reread now and saw it had a massive 1st round upgrade coming back and only one of our talls going out not both. Adelaide get shafted the most, only slightly more then freo who also get shafted. (I rate Hill and Jenkins.)

Hawks lose:
Hill, litherland, shoey and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Brad crouch, freo 2017 first round pick
(Seems very fair) let's continue
Freo lose
Lachie neale, and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Josh Jenkins, brad hill and litherland
Adelaide lose
Brad crouch (same injury prone brad crouch who has played under 30 games and is in and out of the side) and josh Jenkins
Gain
Lachie Neale, Ryan shoenmakers and 2017 first round pick (crows don't get much for Jenkins but he is out of contract and Neale is far superior to crouch)

Crows could make a play for cloke if Jenkins goes (que the adelaide hate) but he could come good being out of Victoria playing alongside walker etc

Doesn't seem too unreasonable

 

[Golumless]

Backup ruck?

We're pretty set with a backup ruck currently with O'Brien.

Hawks lose:
Hill, litherland, shoey and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Brad crouch, freo 2017 first round pick
(Seems very fair) let's continue
Freo lose
Lachie neale, and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Josh Jenkins, brad hill and litherland
Adelaide lose
Brad crouch (same injury prone brad crouch who has played under 30 games and is in and out of the side) and josh Jenkins
Gain
Lachie Neale, Ryan shoenmakers and 2017 first round pick (crows don't get much for Jenkins but he is out of contract and Neale is far superior to crouch)

Crows could make a play for cloke if Jenkins goes (que the adelaide hate) but he could come good being out of Victoria playing alongside walker etc

Doesn't seem too unreasonable

That is horrible, and if we even remotely considered accepting that our trading department deserves the sack, and to be fired into the sun.

 

[Cleric]

We're pretty set with a backup ruck currently with O'Brien.

We also have Low.....yeah, we have O'Brien.

 

[Drewie11]

Hawks lose:
Hill, litherland, shoey and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Brad crouch, freo 2017 first round pick
(Seems very fair) let's continue
Freo lose
Lachie neale, and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Josh Jenkins, brad hill and litherland
Adelaide lose
Brad crouch (same injury prone brad crouch who has played under 30 games and is in and out of the side) and josh Jenkins
Gain
Lachie Neale, Ryan shoenmakers and 2017 first round pick (crows don't get much for Jenkins but he is out of contract and Neale is far superior to crouch)

Crows could make a play for cloke if Jenkins goes (que the adelaide hate) but he could come good being out of Victoria playing alongside walker etc

Doesn't seem too unreasonable

Why would fremantle be entitled to more for Neale when he is out of contract same as Jenkins?

Adelaide would rate crouch above Neale. It is a dog shit deal for the crows.

Wow and hawthorn only give up 2 fringe players and a flakey wingman.

And as tempting as the cloke comment is I would think Adelaide wouldn't be that stupid to pick up a guy that is struggling to get a kick in the VFL.

 

[adammania9]

Why would fremantle be entitled to more for Neale when he is out of contract same as Jenkins?

Adelaide would rate crouch above Neale. It is a dog shit deal for the crows.

Wow and hawthorn only give up 2 fringe players and a flakey wingman.

And as tempting as the cloke comment is I would think Adelaide wouldn't be that stupid to pick up a guy that is struggling to get a kick in the VFL.

 

[Drewie11]

The adelaide recruiting team would. When crouch finally gets a run without injuries then people outside of Adelaide will understand how good this guy is

 

[coxy149]

The adelaide recruiting team would. When crouch finally gets a run without injuries then people outside of Adelaide will understand how good this guy is

Neale > crouch

Still a lot of what if with crouch, his only good season was 4 years ago. He hasn't been injured this year? His foot skills need some fine tuning and correct me if I'm wrong didn't Adelaide drop him for disciplinary reasons?
At most worth a late first rounder, not even sure Adelaides inner sanctum ranks him as highly as most fans do anymore and it looks like his brother had surpassed him anyway!

 

[Drewie11]

Neale > crouch

Still a lot of what if with crouch, his only good season was 4 years ago. He hasn't been injured this year? His foot skills need some fine tuning and correct me if I'm wrong didn't Adelaide drop him for disciplinary reasons?
At most worth a late first rounder, not even sure Adelaides inner sanctum ranks him as highly as most fans do anymore and it looks like his brother had surpassed him anyway!

Pretty easy for someone to go past another if 1 has been injured. Yes he has been injured for a few games this year. On current form definitely neale beats crouch but by the end of this year we should see crouch playing good footy again barring another injury. It looks like they will give him a couple more games in the sanfl and after the bye he will be back.

 

[Cringle]

Hawks lose:
Hill, litherland, shoey and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Brad crouch, freo 2017 first round pick
(Seems very fair) let's continue
Freo lose
Lachie neale, and 2017 first round pick
Gain:
Josh Jenkins, brad hill and litherland
Adelaide lose
Brad crouch (same injury prone brad crouch who has played under 30 games and is in and out of the side) and josh Jenkins
Gain
Lachie Neale, Ryan shoenmakers and 2017 first round pick (crows don't get much for Jenkins but he is out of contract and Neale is far superior to crouch)

Crows could make a play for cloke if Jenkins goes (que the adelaide hate) but he could come good being out of Victoria playing alongside walker etc

Doesn't seem too unreasonable

Bend over Freo

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Bend over Freo

Seems like it, some Hawks fans clinging to the idea that you can bundle spuds to get quality (although in this case its bundle decent players to get extreme quality)

Hill is a lesser version of Jetta, 2nd rounder
Litherland is/was promising 2nd maybe late 1st
Shoey meh, 2nd rounder
Hawks first pick lets say 14-18 range

So they essentially want to trade 3 2nd rounders + 1 late first rounder for a late first rounder and pick 3-6
Or to even that out, 3 2nd round picks for pick 3-6.


If anything Adelaide/Freo would be better off simply doing Jenkins for Neale + steak knives either way, and avoiding Hawk involvement in that deal at all.
Then Hawks can give their 1st rounder / work out some other trade for crouch seperately.