Recommitted Brad Crouch [re-signed]

[Tbonefreo]

He came to us injured , needing a ankle reco. Geelong have taken a very long view on his fitness. It was expressed that he played to much the lat year or two on an bad ankle , much better to take the time to get it medically right. He has now started to train with the group, and within the next two week will probably be up for VFL games. Geelong will probably want him to play multiple VFL games..so it will be late in the year if we are to see him... but he may present as a very fresh def mid come finals.

My point is he cost nothing as a FA.. so its only list space and dollars. If we brought in a player that cost us picks or players in trade..that had injuries or issues that prevent him playing.. that could make it quite difficult to swallow. I guess you would know about that with Bennell.

Honestly I was just wondering. He copped a fair bit of shit but from what i saw he was very talented.

 

[Untouchables22]

In the unlikely even that Crouch leaves, this wouldn't be a bad result. I've always rated Dumont.

I think this would be terrible for us. I like dumont, but hasn't shown anything to suggest he would be worth more than a second rounder.

Effectively giving up crouch for a pick that is likely to be 14-18.

 

[eth-dog]

The issue surrounding Crouch is that he's an OOC, injury-prone midfielder who hasn't established himself at AFL level yet (mostly due to said injuries). Of course he's shown immense talent, but if he wanted to come to Essendon (don't think he will), I'd be hesitant to offer anything more than pick 19 and maybe a swap of 3rd round picks

 

[DaTBird187]

Pick 1 for JJ and Crouch

So pick 1 for 5 Joe the Goose goals a game and 50 possessions in the VFL?

 

[Great8]

So pick 1 for 5 Joe the Goose goals a game and 50 possessions in the VFL?

We only kick 6 a game so 5 Joe the Gooses a game would get us to 11

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Either way, I think Crouch is probably still worth something around the mid to late first round even with his injuries.
As he's out of contract is unlikely you'll get his upper end value, so lets say late first very early 2nd is what he'd probably fetch.

Unfortauntely as we all pretty much know players have all the power even without free agency, will depend on the club he chooses if he leaves.

Crouch would be in the draft waaaay before we'd accept a late first, early second for him.

Crouch won't go simply because what we would be willing to accept vs what others would be willing to give up would be no where near each other.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Murdoch/GHS? Both SA boys that can't crack our best 22 but neither can Crouch.

He's injury prone, so right up our ally and I think he's better upside then GHS has.

LOL. Really?

Go watch the third quarter of Thursday night's game and get back to us with a better offer.

 

[adammania9]

Crouch would be in the draft waaaay before we'd accept a late first, early second for him.

Crouch won't go simply because what we would be willing to accept vs what others would be willing to give up would be no where near each other.

You'd rather him leave for nothing into the draft than get a latte first for him?

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

You'd rather him leave for nothing into the draft than get a latte first for him?

I think it would be a distinct possibility.

 

[Lithium]

Crouch would be in the draft waaaay before we'd accept a late first, early second for him.

Crouch won't go simply because what we would be willing to accept vs what others would be willing to give up would be no where near each other.

People always say this but it rarely happens. When a player wants to leave he more often than not goes to were he wants, often for less than his worth.

 

[Tippett2Goal]

Crouch would be in the draft waaaay before we'd accept a late first, early second for him.

Crouch won't go simply because what we would be willing to accept vs what others would be willing to give up would be no where near each other.

Then that's what he'd do, seriously people seem to be under some illusion that they can stop an out of contract player getting to his club of choice, it just wont happen.

If North/Hawks offer you their first rounder you'll take it.

 

[jiphoc]

Crouch would be in the draft waaaay before we'd accept a late first, early second for him.

Crouch won't go simply because what we would be willing to accept vs what others would be willing to give up would be no where near each other.

Nah disagree.

Adelaide on the whole are pretty good at trading and if Crouch wants to leave they will find a way. They want play that hold him the ransom nonsense that teams such as Essendon play. If you trade fairly when players want out, other teams will reciprocate when the tables are turned.

Personally late first rounder sounds about right to me. Lots of injuries (a very bad ankle included if i recall which are horrific). High risk/ high reward type player.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

LOL. Really?

Go watch the third quarter of Thursday night's game and get back to us with a better offer.

Re-read what I wrote. I said Crouch has better upside the GHS.

 

[Impatient Saint]

Alleged - stories out there that young Brad likes the frothies and a punt a little too much to apply himself professionally to the game. Comes with some baggage by the sounds of it? Hopefully he can find a new home and approach!

 

[The 747]

Crouch would be in the draft waaaay before we'd accept a late first, early second for him.

Crouch won't go simply because what we would be willing to accept vs what others would be willing to give up would be no where near each other.

What would that achieve - you lose him for nothing?

 

[eth-dog]

Crouch would be in the draft waaaay before we'd accept a late first, early second for him.

Crouch won't go simply because what we would be willing to accept vs what others would be willing to give up would be no where near each other.

On what he could do he's worth a pick between 10 and 15. On what he's done to date and his injury history you push that out to 15-25. If he nominates Essendon, let's say, and they offer pick 19, you'd take it. Maybe with a sweetener thrown in.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

You'd rather him leave for nothing into the draft than get a latte first for him?

People always say this but it rarely happens. When a player wants to leave he more often than not goes to were he wants, often for less than his worth.

Then that's what he'd do, seriously people seem to be under some illusion that they can stop an out of contract player getting to his club of choice, it just wont happen.

If North/Hawks offer you their first rounder you'll take it.

Nah disagree.

Adelaide on the whole are pretty good at trading and if Crouch wants to leave they will find a way. They want play that hold him the ransom nonsense that teams such as Essendon play. If you trade fairly when players want out, other teams will reciprocate when the tables are turned.

Personally late first rounder sounds about right to me. Lots of injuries (a very bad ankle included if i recall which are horrific). High risk/ high reward type player.

What would that achieve - you lose him for nothing?

On what he could do he's worth a pick between 10 and 15. On what he's done to date and his injury history you push that out to 15-25. If he nominates Essendon, let's say, and they offer pick 19, you'd take it. Maybe with a sweetener thrown in.

So essentially we will let other clubs roll up to our door step, turn their pockets inside out and say "we no money, but we like Brad pwees". Well in that case, sure. Take him for your late first rounder, early second as suggested. While you're all at it, why not add O'Meara in too

[Edit: By the way, for reference, injury prone (but potentially elite) players like Ryan Burton, Jake Lever, Troy Menzel fetch mid to late first rounders as draftees, not after 3 years and 30 games in the system where they've shown some very good output.]

 

[eth-dog]

So essentially we will let other clubs roll up to our door step, turn their pockets inside out and say "we no money, but we like Brad pwees". Well in that case, sure. Take him for your late first rounder, early second as suggested. While you're all at it, why not add O'Meara in too

Okay, this situation happens:

Brad nominates Essendon. Essendon offers pick 19 and maybe some steak knives (say, 37 for 49). Considering Essendon have pick 1 in the PSD, do Adelaide accept that? Of course they do.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Okay, this situation happens:

Brad nominates Essendon. Essendon offers pick 19 and maybe some steak knives (say, 37 for 49). Considering Essendon have pick 1 in the PSD, do Adelaide accept that? Of course they do.

I've never said he is worth pick 1, you'd be nuts to use that on him and I seriously doubt you would. Someone will need to find a top 10, potentially even top 5 for him though.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Okay, this situation happens:

Brad nominates Essendon. Essendon offers pick 19 and maybe some steak knives (say, 37 for 49). Considering Essendon have pick 1 in the PSD, do Adelaide accept that? Of course they do.

Also, your statement that he would be worth a pick between 10 and 15 without injury is massively understating his potential. I think we should revisit this conversation at the end of the season after you see what Brad delivers for the remainder of the year.

 

[Lithium]

Also, your statement that he would be worth a pick between 10 and 15 without injury is massively understating his potential. I think we should revisit this conversation at the end of the season after you see what Brad delivers for the remainder of the year.

I've never said he is worth pick 1, you'd be nuts to use that on him and I seriously doubt you would. Someone will need to find a top 10, potentially even top 5 for him though.

Just look at the Aish and O'rourke trades in recent years, both high draft picks with 2 years in the system that were traded for late first to early second rounders. This is what Crouch is worth right now. Ask some people on your board, most will agree.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

Just look at the Aish and O'rourke trades in recent years, both high draft picks with 2 years in the system that were traded for late first to early second rounders. This is what Crouch is worth right now. Ask some people on your board, most will agree.

LOL if you think Aish and Brad Crouch are in the same hemisphere wrt footballing ability.

Crouch has had a bad run with injury but it has been different injuries (just needs his body to mature a little). It's not like he has a chronic or degenerative recurring injury.

 

[Tippett2Goal]

So essentially we will let other clubs roll up to our door step, turn their pockets inside out and say "we no money, but we like Brad pwees". Well in that case, sure. Take him for your late first rounder, early second as suggested. While you're all at it, why not add O'Meara in too

[Edit: By the way, for reference, injury prone (but potentially elite) players like Ryan Burton, Jake Lever, Troy Menzel fetch mid to late first rounders as draftees, not after 3 years and 30 games in the system where they've shown some very good output.]

You still seem to be under the impression that he is "yours", and other clubs have to appease Adelaide, he is out of contract, Adelaide is a secondary thought, all clubs need to do is win over the player.

As soon as a player nominates the only club they will sign with, you can be pretty confident they will get there, that's how the AFL works now.

 

[Lithium]

LOL if you think Aish and Brad Crouch are in the same hemisphere wrt footballing ability.

Crouch has had a bad run with injury but it has been different injuries (just needs his body to mature a little). It's not like he has a chronic or degenerative recurring injury.

Aish has massive potential especially when he was traded (this season he has been disappointing).

Its obvious you're not going to see it, but this sort of trade happens every few years, a promising young player thats still unproven goes for a late first round.
If Crouch does go this year, which i think he will, you won't be getting a top 10 pick. Crows are typically quite reasonable as well so a late first rounder is about were he is at.

 

[eth-dog]

You still seem to be under the impression that he is "yours", and other clubs have to appease Adelaide, he is out of contract, Adelaide is a secondary thought, all clubs need to do is win over the player.

As soon as a player nominates the only club they will sign with, you can be pretty confident they will get there, that's how the AFL works now.

This. Especially if he chooses Essendon.