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DangerSloane

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True, but I still wouldn't be paying him $1 million per year. That's laughable.

What will Crouch get at Adelaide? Chuck an extra hundred or two on top, that's the most I reckon GCS should pay.
He'd easily get 700 or 800k in Adelaide.
He was our best player this year.
 

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Eddie betts, averaged 50 goals the past 6 years he's been with the crows

JJ, averaged 40 goals the past 6 years

CEY, Greenwood, Keath - if not best 22, are best 25 players. If you guys have don't have the injury dream run you had this year, will realise how important that bracket of players are.

With injuries, you realise how fickle best 22's really are. They look good on paper but are normally just a fantasy. That's why you're gonna drop off next year
And so are you, by your pessimism.

You still havent answered the question. Which good players are we losing?
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Eddie betts, averaged 50 goals the past 6 years he's been with the crows

JJ, averaged 40 goals the past 6 years

CEY, Greenwood, Keath - if not best 22, are best 25 players. If you guys have don't have the injury dream run you had this year, will realise how important that bracket of players are.

With injuries, you realise how fickle best 22's really are. They look good on paper but are normally just a fantasy. That's why you're gonna drop off next year

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I think if you speak to most crows supporters they are ok with dropping off next year whilst they blood younger players. I still think the best 22 will go well - especially now that the cancer has been cut out of the club and a new coaching regime will come in, but as you say, injuries will define the crows season next year. Without them they could be mid table with a bump in performance from the new coaching team. With a lot of injuries, it could be a bottom 4 finish - I am ok with that as long as there is a blooding of kids and the game plan looks a good one going forward
 

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I think if you speak to most crows supporters they are ok with dropping off next year whilst they blood younger players. I still think the best 22 will go well - especially now that the cancer has been cut out of the club and a new coaching regime will come in, but as you say, injuries will define the crows season next year. Without them they could be mid table with a bump in performance from the new coaching team. With a lot of injuries, it could be a bottom 4 finish - I am ok with that as long as there is a blooding of kids and the game plan looks a good one going forward
We aren't ok with it

Its where our list sits, its crap
 

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Mate every neutral in Australia can see we are in for some pain

Except for someone that has rose coloried glasses on and thinks the club is travelling beautifully

Wake up to yourself
Every netural in Australia had us in the 8 this year.

No neturals had Brisbane top 4.
No neutrals had Melbourne 2nd to last
No neutrals had Essendon missing the 8.

Lets be honest the average punter has no idea whats going to happen. Even the experts dont.
 

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Eddie betts, averaged 50 goals the past 6 years he's been with the crows

JJ, averaged 40 goals the past 6 years

CEY, Greenwood, Keath - if not best 22, are best 25 players. If you guys have don't have the injury dream run you had this year, will realise how important that bracket of players are.

With injuries, you realise how fickle best 22's really are. They look good on paper but are normally just a fantasy. That's why you're gonna drop off next year

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Eddie and JJ clearly arent best 22 any more.
You can use the last 6 years of data but what about last year?

You realise that we're replacing those fringe players with youngsters who being completely honest will probably provide similar output to that of JJ, Betts, Douglas, Otten etc. The need for the cleanout comes from the complete lack of form of senior players. The same senior players that are leaving.
 

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Every netural in Australia had us in the 8 this year.

No neturals had Brisbane top 4.
No neutrals had Melbourne 2nd to last
No neutrals had Essendon missing the 8.

Lets be honest the average punter has no idea whats going to happen. Even the experts dont.

Your choosing upsets most can predict 6 out of the top 8 easily

Go have a look at the betting odds if you want to know the true position

Money Talks BS walks

And your talking of the average punter, that is quite hilarious go have a look at the expert punters being the bookies, they don't place high odds on a club because they don't like them, its about making $$$$$$$ FFS
 

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DangerSloane

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Your choosing upsets most can predict 6 out of the top 8 easily

Go have a look at the betting odds if you want to know the true position

Money Talks BS walks

And your talking of the average punter, that is quite hilarious go have a look at the expert punters being the bookies, they don't place high odds on a club because they don't like them, its about making $$$$$$$ FFS
You really dont understand how a sportsbook works.

Either way I'll explain a few things slowly because I've tried and you're still not getting it.

If sportsbet are so right about us next season, why were they so wrong about us this season?
Why were they so wrong about Melbourne, Brisbane, Essendon this season?

They got half of the top 8 wrong, and the other half were almost certainties.
 

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You really dont understand how a sportsbook works.

Either way I'll explain a few things slowly because I've tried and you're still not getting it.

If sportsbet are so right about us next season, why were they so wrong about us this season?
Why were they so wrong about Melbourne, Brisbane, Essendon this season?

They got half of the top 8 wrong, and the other half were almost certainties.

Mate sports bet make money from how the punters bet on teams they control the book to get a return, so if a lot of punters back thousands for Richmond to win the flag the odds go down if hardly anyone backs adelaide then their odds go up, so their book isn't all out of whack

Is it still school holidays as you aren't 18 and you don't understand how betting works
 

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Mate sports bet make money from how the punters bet on teams they control the book to get a return, so if a lot of punters back thousands for Richmond to win the flag the odds go down if hardly anyone backs adelaide then their odds go up, so their book isn't all out of whack

Is it still school holidays as you aren't 18 and you don't understand how betting works
They set the odds to start with.
The odds don't all start even and then move depending on the money.

They can also move it without people betting on it, as they reevaluate potential losses and profits and market factors.

I have a degree in finance and a diploma in financial markets. I literally make markets for a living.
I have worked for a sportsbook before too.

This is akin to you walking up to a doctor and telling him he's wrong about medical stuff.
What do you do for a living, just out of interest?
 

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They set the odds to start with.
The odds don't all start even and then move depending on the money.

They can also move it without people betting on it, as they reevaluate potential losses and profits and market factors.

I have a degree in finance and a diploma in financial markets. I literally make markets for a living.
I have worked for a sportsbook before too.

This is akin to you walking up to a doctor and telling him he's wrong about medical stuff.
What do you do for a living, just out of interest?
this is hilarious

So why are we at such long odds to make the eight

And Richmond at such short odds to make the eight
 

DangerSloane

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this is hilarious

So why are we at such long odds to make the eight

And Richmond at such short odds to make the eight
Because Richmond are premiers and we are in a rebuild?

Why were Adelaide 4th favourite last year to finish what 11th?
Why were Essendon 6th favourite last year to finish what 9th?
Why were Brisbane about 15th favourite but finished top 4?

Its all good to look at the odds now...but lets look at how correct they were in 12 months time.

Sportsbet dont get it right every time. How do horses win races at $50 to 1?
I'm not going to explain it for a 4th time in a different way.
 

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Because Richmond are premiers and we are in a rebuild?

Why were Adelaide 4th favourite last year to finish what 11th?
Why were Essendon 6th favourite last year to finish what 9th?
Why were Brisbane about 15th favourite but finished top 4?

Its all good to look at the odds now...but lets look at how correct they were in 12 months time.

Sportsbet dont get it right every time. How do horses win races at $50 to 1?
I'm not going to explain it for a 4th time in a different way.
Mate you think sports bets play favorites

THEY ARE THERE WHOLY AND SOLEY TO MAKE $$$$$$$$

The reason Richmond are short odds is they have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ placed on them
The reason Adelaide are long odds is they have F all placed on them

There book needs to not have too much exposure

Do you really not understand this, no one can be that illogical, but I guess Im wrong
 

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Mate you think sports bets play favorites

THEY ARE THERE WHOLY AND SOLEY TO MAKE $$$$$$$$

The reason Richmond are short odds is they have $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ placed on them
The reason Adelaide are long odds is they have F all placed on them

There book needs to not have too much exposure

Do you really not understand this, no one can be that illogical, but I guess Im wrong
You do realise that they set the market to begin with.
They dont just make every team even and then move it based on what gets bet on.

They would lose money if they did that.

I'm done explaining this. Its very easy to understand.
 

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You do realise that they set the market to begin with.
They dont just make every team even and then move it based on what gets bet on.

They would lose money if they did that.

I'm done explaining this. Its very easy to understand.
Yes they do, that happened ages ago

They orginally set the markets on their educated thoughts on the upcoming event whether its cricket netball football

Then the market affects those odds as $$$$$$$$ get placed on the outcomes

If for some unknown reason Collingwood has bugger all $$$ placed on them their odds go out

If GC has many $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ placed on them their odds shorten

The market is a moving concern, we are placed at $34 with carlton in 14th and 15th place, that is where the $$$$$$ have us placed, if we get a new coach and the punters think it will help us or odds will shorten, if Sloane goes down with a knee our odds may go out, depending how much hard earned coin is not only being placed on us but being placed on other teams

There is no opinion on the market at the moment from sports bet its all about the $$$$$ placed on the teams to ensure they keep the book where they aren't going to blow out


Please tell me you understand this
 

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Would be horrible if he went to Gold Coast. Too good a player to get wasted there. I understand f why he would go; a million a season would be extremely attractive. But sheesh, what he could do in a good side.
 

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Would be horrible if he went to Gold Coast. Too good a player to get wasted there. I understand f why he would go; a million a season would be extremely attractive. But sheesh, what he could do in a good side.
Happy Geelong look at him, I also don't think GCS is right fit for him.
 

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Does anybody here believe Brad Crouch after just 1 extremely good year is worth $1,000,000 x 5/6 years ?

Based on his injury riddled past and taking into account his great 2019 season it puts him into the $600k range with maybe another $100k if he moves to freo/GC.

I really like to see him stay at the crows and have another year like 2019 and let the market pay him what he is worth but why does he want to extend 1 year early ? He is contracted then a RFA . You signed the bloody deal see it through and if you are not earning enough for 2020 consider it as paying back what you didnt earn but were payed for in 2018
 

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I really like to see him stay at the crows and have another year like 2019 and let the market pay him what he is worth but why does he want to extend 1 year early ? He is contracted then a RFA . You signed the bloody deal see it through and if you are not earning enough for 2020 consider it as paying back what you didnt earn but were payed for in 2018
Everyone knows he isn't worth that but given GC's difficulties attracting players they should at least consider the possibility. Given the generosity of the draft picks concessions recently received I wouldn't be overly surprised if GC also received salary cap concessions too.

He wants to extend a year early because he currently isn't earning anything close to that, instant pay rise.
 

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Gold Coast could finish above the Crows next year, Adelaide are a mess
GC COULD finish above Richmond too...but it's not likely.

Adelaide had a shocking year and finished with 10 wins, while GC had 3. That's a lot to make up, and with the off and in field changes, Richmond are more of a chance to play an away gane than GC to finish above us
 

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