Both shocking users of the footy, for different reasons. Both overrated and haven't lived up to their potential so far IMO. Not sure if a change of environment or gameplan would help, or whether they just are what they are as footballers at this stage (25 years old, coming towards what should be their peak).
Wines would be very well served dropping 8-10kg as well. No need to be pushing 100kg as a full-time midfielder, even in the age of the "big-bodied mid". Would assumedly help him play a lot more gametime and be a lot more effective and prolific.
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