Brad Ebert

[mdc]

I wonder if you're that cynical in general or only when it suits some motivation you may have.

What motivation do I have here? I like the Eagles, I like plenty if not most of your players (including Darling & Waters, fwiw). I'm just not high on former first-round picks attracting premiums simply because they were former first-round picks (and in this case famous names).

You're saying that Ebert's endurance and experience are negatives because it means he has less upside? Presumably you'd be happier if he'd shown an inability to stay on the park and couldn't run out a game.

As absurd as it sounds, yes. If I was getting a 26yo with great endurance and experience, then it's a plus. In a 21yo, it usually means their scope for improvement isn't as high.

To give you an example from Collingwood, everyone was predicting greatness for Sidebottom after his first year. Yet I've always been more pessimistic because he already came into the AFL with great endurance, so I always felt it was unlikely that he could get much better. Sidebottom's a better player than Ebert obviously, but the same idea of limited upside applies. What you see is what you get.

If you want upside, it's in his kicking, although it's way better than bigfooty would have you think.

Kicking almost never improves though, particularly in midfielders. You can regain it after a slump or whatever, but it's very rare to find a mid that comes in with bad kicking and manages to transform it.

We've had a plethora of high-possession endurance athletes come through Collingwood who were always a good kick away from being very good players. Ryan Cook, Jaxson Barham etc etc If any of them could kick even at an average-to-good level, they would have been 100+ gamers. Instead, they were persevered with and de-listed eventually.

We even gave one of them to West Coast in Adkins

 

[Jack2Johnston]

Think some WCE supporters are fairly naive if they think because they rate him at a pick 15-25 they wouldn't accept pick 28, a whole 3 picks later.

At the end of the day, Ebert has said he wants to leave, and that he wants to go to Port. If Port are being as fair as they can be at the trade table and offering their highest 2nd round pick then Eagles will accept it.

Port are likely to pay unders in the trade, as they certainly have the upper hand in negotiations. Part of maintaining the reputation of being a good club to deal with is done by attempting to facilitate trades for players who wish to leave.

 

[Arecsa]

After 3 years of shit team-wise, why would Ebert want to go to a club thats in line for 3 years of shit.

Clearly Ebert enjoys having his Septembers free.

 

[chachi11]

thank **** big footy posters aren't involved in trades......

No one would get traded.

We would have freo asking for pick 6 and hartlett for griffin, and west coast asking for a pick better than 28 and surjan for ebert.........oh Puh-lease
Only in fantasy big footy land...!

 

[Scooter#10]

thank **** big footy posters aren't involved in trades......

No one would get traded.

We would have freo asking for pick 6 and hartlett for griffin, and west coast asking for a pick better than 28 and surjan for ebert.........oh Puh-lease
Only in fantasy big footy land...!

And Port would be asking them to all go into the PSD so they didnt have to give up anything for them

 

[DivideandMultiply]

thank **** big footy posters aren't involved in trades......

No one would get traded.

We would have freo asking for pick 6 and hartlett for griffin, and west coast asking for a pick better than 28 and surjan for ebert.........oh Puh-lease
Only in fantasy big footy land...!

As opposed to Port supporters like that tool PortBrillance saying 51 or nothing?

IMO the clubs will come to an equitable trade, something like pick 28. Port will probably be the winner in the long term but whaeva.

 

[chachi11]

And Port would be asking them to all go into the PSD so they didnt have to give up anything for them

no, I think a second rounder is right for ebert. It just happens that because of gws etc, our second rounder isn't as low as it normally would be, ie around 18, but its still our second rounder which is fair.

 

[Scooter#10]

no, I think a second rounder is right for ebert. It just happens that because of gws etc, our second rounder isn't as low as it normally would be, ie around 18, but its still our second rounder which is fair.

And i agree with Ebert for pick 28. But there are Port supporters that don't and just want to 'screw' us by making him go straight to the PSD

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

no, I think a second rounder is right for ebert. It just happens that because of gws etc, our second rounder isn't as low as it normally would be, ie around 18, but its still our second rounder which is fair.

So normally Ebert would be worth the 18th best player in the draft, but now he's worth the 33rd best player in the draft but it's still the same?

 

[chachi11]

And i agree with Ebert for pick 28. But there are Port supporters that don't and just want to 'screw' us by making him go straight to the PSD

We all know he wont be going in the psd!
Will be traded quite early imo, wouldn't be surprised if it was done in the first 2 days.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

no, I think a second rounder is right for ebert. It just happens that because of gws etc, our second rounder isn't as low as it normally would be, ie around 18, but its still our second rounder which is fair.

This post does not make sense.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

This post does not make sense.

In a normal draft you have 18 first round selections.
Meaning GC would have pick 19+21 and Port Adelaide pick 20+22.

 

[Dirt Track]

Funny that.

Every player we want has signed on this year.

Ebert for pick 51. Take it or leave it

Lucky you , Port have one of the worst list's ever assembled in the AFL.

Ebert would be in your top 3 easily.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Think some WCE supporters are fairly naive if they think because they rate him at a pick 15-25 they wouldn't accept pick 28, a whole 3 picks later.

18-22 is what i would consider. Im willing to accept me might not get anything better than 28 but id say there is a good chance us scoring more than that if a three way deal or multi pick/ player deal is found.

 

[King Elvis]

I reckon it'll be 28.

Players under-rated, picks over-rated.

 

[longdonkey]

And i agree with Ebert for pick 28. But there are Port supporters that don't and just want to 'screw' us by making him go straight to the PSD

I am an advocate of Port getting a decent player in the PSD more through need than anything else and its the first time in our clubs history that we've had high picks like this having never finished near the bottom before.

I however believe Ebert will go for 28 even though I think there is evidence looking at other trades in recent year that he maybe worth less.

What the PSD advocates don't like is West Coast fans wanting to bend us over trying to take advantage of the emotional aspect of an Ebert going home to Port.

 

[willoblue]

Because when you're trading for a 21yo, the key thing you're looking at is how they'll be performing in 2-3 years time, not how they're performing now. Ebert's already elite in the one area that's usually subject to improvement (i.e. endurance) plus he already has 70 games of experience. His upside from here is very limited. And as I've said, his best 22 status is in dispute (amongst Eagles supporters as much as anyone).

Following your line of argument, I imagine you'd be in favour of the Eagles ponying up theor first rounder or more for Jarryd Blair, who's much more entrenched in the Collingwood 22 than Ebert is in WC's?

 

[Danger in Texas]

In my opinion, Pick 28 is just the right amound for Ebert.

My ideas are:

Pick 28, Daniel Motlop to West Coast.

Ebert, Pick 45 to Port.

West Coast get a way higher pick and a small forward to back up LeCras, while Port get an SA boy who is a good, but not great, AFL player. And remember, pick 45 did get Geelong Scarlett.

 

[TheSuper6of06]

What motivation do I have here? I like the Eagles, I like plenty if not most of your players (including Darling & Waters, fwiw). I'm just not high on former first-round picks attracting premiums simply because they were former first-round picks (and in this case famous names).



As absurd as it sounds, yes. If I was getting a 26yo with great endurance and experience, then it's a plus. In a 21yo, it usually means their scope for improvement isn't as high.

To give you an example from Collingwood, everyone was predicting greatness for Sidebottom after his first year. Yet I've always been more pessimistic because he already came into the AFL with great endurance, so I always felt it was unlikely that he could get much better. Sidebottom's a better player than Ebert obviously, but the same idea of limited upside applies. What you see is what you get.



Kicking almost never improves though, particularly in midfielders. You can regain it after a slump or whatever, but it's very rare to find a mid that comes in with bad kicking and manages to transform it.

We've had a plethora of high-possession endurance athletes come through Collingwood who were always a good kick away from being very good players. Ryan Cook, Jaxson Barham etc etc If any of them could kick even at an average-to-good level, they would have been 100+ gamers. Instead, they were persevered with and de-listed eventually.

We even gave one of them to West Coast in Adkins

mdc top notch analysis mate, first class

very impressed

 

[Masto]

In my opinion, Pick 28 is just the right amound for Ebert.

My ideas are:

Pick 28, Daniel Motlop to West Coast.

Ebert, Pick 45 to Port.

West Coast get a way higher pick and a small forward to back up LeCras, while Port get an SA boy who is a good, but not great, AFL player. And remember, pick 45 did get Geelong Scarlett.

Motlop LMAO

Pick 28 is not enough and will not be accepted IMO, especially when we can get more by letting him go to GWS in the PSD. They need to acquire pick 15 from GWS and on-trade it to us. We all know GWS want a whole bunch of Port players so get to work.

 

[longdonkey]

Motlop LMAO

Pick 28 is not enough and will not be accepted IMO, especially when we can get more by letting him go to GWS in the PSD. They need to acquire pick 15 from GWS and on-trade it to us. We all know GWS want a whole bunch of Port players so get to work.

You won't be compensated in he goes to GWS in the Pre-season draft only if he joins GWS as an uncontracted player and even if he did that you'd get nothing better than an end of first round pick which guess what, if you used it this year would be Pick 28 or 29. Pick 15 you're in a dream world!!!

 

[Masto]

You won't be compensated in he goes to GWS in the Pre-season draft only if he joins GWS as an uncontracted player and even if he did that you'd get nothing better than an end of first round pick which guess what, if you used it this year would be Pick 28 or 29. Pick 15 you're in a dream world!!!

We would get a pick and we wouldn't use it this year but in a year or two when it would be worth pick 19 or 20.

 

[longdonkey]

We would get a pick and we wouldn't use it this year but in a year or two when it would be worth pick 19 or 20.

What? Do you think you're the only club that would have picks left - nearly everyone has picks left over from last year. I think Geelong have at least one if not 2 mid 1st Round for Ablett. Melbourne have 2 for Scully, WB have one for Ward. Brissy have one or 2 for Brennan and Rischitelli, Adelaide have one for Davis, Richmond have one traded for Tambling and that doesn't include anyone GWS takes next year. Assuming you finish near where you did this year you will have high 20's or low 30's

 

[Bay Pie]

Motlop LMAO

Pick 28 is not enough and will not be accepted IMO, especially when we can get more by letting him go to GWS in the PSD. They need to acquire pick 15 from GWS and on-trade it to us. We all know GWS want a whole bunch of Port players so get to work.

Ebert just wouldn't get to GWS. He has said he wants to go home to SA. He'll get there one way or the other. Unless the player is a top notch talent, very rarely does a team select a player in the PSD, that doesn't want to play for them and has a preferred destination. GWS & the Suns would both overlook him if he was adamant on playing for Port.

If for some reason Ebert did decide to go to GWS, you'd be looking at a mid 2nd round pick. For West Coast that is a pick in the high 20's/early 30's.

It's just the way the system works. Pick 28 seems about right from a neutral.

 

[philthy05]

Motlop LMAO

Pick 28 is not enough and will not be accepted IMO, especially when we can get more by letting him go to GWS in the PSD. They need to acquire pick 15 from GWS and on-trade it to us. We all know GWS want a whole bunch of Port players so get to work.

hahahhahahah

seriously??

what kind of player do you think it would take to get that pick 15 from gws?? the kind of player it would take to get that pick 15 does not equal brad ebert.

is such an average player.

ill ask you this. if ebert is worth a pick in the late teens then what picks are david rodan, matt thomas, broadbent, mitch banner worth??