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dajesmac said:
^ Better than Shuey/Gaff?
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Won't comment either way on Shuey because I rate Shuey massively and am still slightly pissed off that Heppell stole his Rising Star award, but Hartlett is well ahead of Gaff. Both rack up the ball, but Hartlett is a much better kick.

Stereophonic said:
How about

Sheppard, Ebert -> Port

Pick 6, Pick 28 -> WCE

Thoughts?
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I lol'ed. If we're wary about 28 for Ebert, how the hell is adding Brad Sheppard for pick 6 going to help? Sheppard isn't worth anywhere near that. Let's try to judge players on their ability rather than their draft position.
 
Stereophonic said:
How about

Sheppard, Ebert -> Port

Pick 6, Pick 28 -> WCE

Thoughts?
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Whats in it for Port?

Eberts worth more than Sheppard at this stage. Equally Sheppard is years away from his best. He's had one full preseason.
 
Coledinho said:
Hartlett better then Gaff? I lol'd then I shed a tear for society
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Embers, if this wasn't the drafting/trading board and it wasn't completely irrelevant to the thread I would easily rip you apart on this one, but it is, so you keep thinking that.
 

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Coledinho said:
So If I go down and purchase a system 25 ticket for tonights lotto its as likely to win as a slippik 12? No. Its exactly like a lotto
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The draft is not "exactly like lotto". That is an incredibly stupid thing to say. Are you an incredibly stupid person or would you like to retract that statement before you are branded forever?

The numbers in lotto are random, whereas, in the draft, the likelihood of picking a good player is higher with an early pick than with a late pick. There is a degree of uncertainty, but that is not the same as randomly generated numbers that just pop out in no order at all.

Muppets who say "derp, the draft is a lottery" - I'd love to know what they'd want in exchange for their club's first-rounder. Because, if the draft is a lottery, then what's the big deal about early picks? If it's a lottery, may as well have pick 30 instead of pick 10, right?

It stems from the fact that some guys picked in the top 10 turn out to be duds, while some guys picked lower down turn out great. Particularly stupid people seem unable to look at this scenario and understand that, while there is an inherent uncertainty associated with drafting, it's still better to have early picks because it gives you an earlier crack at the best kids. Instead, they conclude that, "Well, that guy taken at pick 5 is no good, but the guy taken at pick 35 is handy. Therefore, the draft must be random - it's like a lottery."

This conclusion appeals to particularly stupid people because, rather than having to grapple with any kind of nuance or reconcile the uncertainty of drafting with the self-evident principle that early picks are better than lower picks, they can instead parrot a nonsensical one-liner, commended above all by the fact it's nice and easy to remember, while still pretending they have an opinion worth listening to. And that's what marks them out as stupid.
 
Ian Dargie said:
The draft is not "exactly like lotto". That is an incredibly stupid thing to say. Are you an incredibly stupid person or would you like to retract that statement begore you are branded forever?

The numbers in lotto are random, whereas, in the draft, the likelihood of picking a good player is higher with an early pick than with a late pic. There is a degree of uncertainty, but that is not the same as randomly generated numbers that just pop out in no order at all.

Muppets who say "derp, the draft is a lottery" - I'd love to know what they'd want in exchange for their club's first-rounder. Because, if the draft is a lottery, then what's big deal about early picks? If it's a lottery, may as well have pick 30 instead of pick 10, right?
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The higher your draft pick the more chance you have to win. In Lotto the more numbers you select the greater chance you have to win The theorys the same but just applied in reverse.
 
Coledinho said:
The higher your draft pick the more chance you have to win. In Lotto the more numbers you select the greater chance you have to win The theorys the same but just applied in reverse.
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But its exponential. If you have a top 5 pick you're twice as likely than pick 5-10 and so forth. It's not a lottery at the top of the draft. At the bottom there is less likelihood of finding a 200 game player
 
INSANE said:
Makes no sense. Gaff is a skilled, ball-winning mid with a relatively sound body. Hartlett is a skilled, ball-winning mid with a worrying amount of back/hamstring problems.
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I might have thought that Harlett's foot skills are bit more advanced and Hartlett is more of an outside player than Gaff - they're different types of player
 
Coledinho said:
The higher your draft pick the more chance you have to win. In Lotto the more numbers you select the greater chance you have to win The theorys the same but just applied in reverse.
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This is nonsense.

For the analogy to work, you'd have to show that, in a lottery, you're more likely to hit with certain numbers. Because that's the case in the draft. You're more likely to hit with pick 1 than with pick 30. But if you have number 1 on your lotto ticket, it's no more likely to come up than number 30. All the numbers are equal in a way that they are not in the draft.

Pointing out that if you pick more numbers you are more likely to win is erroneous. That's like pointing out that if you draft more players, your chances of one of them being good increase.

Basically, you're drawing a bogus parallel that does nothing to diminish the fundamental difference between a lottery, where the hits are random, and the draft, where the hits are not random.

In short, people who say "the draft is a lottery" are idiots.
 
INSANE said:
Makes no sense. Gaff is a skilled, ball-winning mid with a relatively sound body. Hartlett is a skilled, ball-winning mid with a worrying amount of back/hamstring problems.
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Lumping Hartlett and Gaff together as 'skilled' is like lumping Sandilands and Matthew Pavlich together as 'tall'.

But there's obviously not going to be any agreement on this, so we may as well get this back on topic.
 

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gopower said:
Lumping Hartlett and Gaff together as 'skilled' is like lumping Sandilands and Matthew Pavlich together as 'tall'.

But there's obviously not going to be any agreement on this, so we may as well get this back on topic.
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OK, pick 6 for Ebert or you'll get him for nothing in the PSD....
 
WCE_phil said:
I would agree that hartlett is the more talented player. I however would never discount gaff from becoming anything. He has his eyes on one prize and one prize only and thats to become the absolute best footballer he can be.
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I wouldn't exactly say that, at the moment hartlett is better due to age but Gaff my goodness ive played against him since u/10's and even then there were bs rumours that he was going to play AFL, that rumour never went away right up until i played with him last year. As much as i dislike the eagles Gaff has racked up 30 touches in a few games this year, imagine a few years of development like shuey has had..
 
MitchRobinson12 said:
I wouldn't exactly say that, at the moment hartlett is better due to age but Gaff my goodness ive played against him since u/10's and even then there were bs rumours that he was going to play AFL, that rumour never went away right up until i played with him last year. As much as i dislike the eagles Gaff has racked up 30 touches in a few games this year, imagine a few years of development like shuey has had..
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i didnt say hartlett was the better player or would become the better player or have the better career. However i do think he is more naturally talented.
 
West Coast trade Ebert to Port and pick 45 to GWS
Port trade pick 28 to WCE and Cornes, Brogan to GWS
GWS trade Kyle Horsley to WCE.

WCE get a couple of potentially decent players for Ebert.
Port get Ebert and give up pick 28 and nothing else they really care about.
GWS get Brogan and Cornes and can still go after Port players next year, and get a decent pick for Horsley.

Thoughts?
 

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FiveStrings said:
West Coast trade Ebert to Port and pick 45 to GWS
Port trade pick 28 to WCE and Cornes, Brogan to GWS
GWS trade Kyle Horsley to WCE.

WCE get a couple of potentially decent players for Ebert.
Port get Ebert and give up pick 28 and nothing else they really care about.
GWS get Brogan and Cornes and can still go after Port players next year, and get a decent pick for Horsley.

Thoughts?
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take out the pick 45 and i'd be happy with that. Or leave the 45 there and give us saad as well and i'd be happy.
 
FiveStrings said:
West Coast trade Ebert to Port and pick 45 to GWS
Port trade pick 28 to WCE and Cornes, Brogan to GWS
GWS trade Kyle Horsley to WCE.

WCE get a couple of potentially decent players for Ebert.
Port get Ebert and give up pick 28 and nothing else they really care about.
GWS get Brogan and Cornes and can still go after Port players next year, and get a decent pick for Horsley.

Thoughts?
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I love it. I'll have my people contact your people.
 
Hows that?

45 in this draft is weak.

We have heaps of young players, only need to pick 1 or 2 new players via the draft.
 
FiveStrings said:
West Coast trade Ebert to Port and pick 45 to GWS
Port trade pick 28 to WCE and Cornes, Brogan to GWS
GWS trade Kyle Horsley to WCE.

WCE get a couple of potentially decent players for Ebert.
Port get Ebert and give up pick 28 and nothing else they really care about.
GWS get Brogan and Cornes and can still go after Port players next year, and get a decent pick for Horsley.

Thoughts?
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So port lose all compensation for brogan and Chad, the also lose pick 28 and only get ebert, yeah righto, what's the benefit to us to involve gws? All the trouble of getting compensation for broges and cornes and we give it to u, it just won't happen. By the way port have come out and said 6 and 28 are off the table looks like we are going to the psd with this one folks.
 
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