Brad Ebert

[Schulzenfest]

What makes it laughable is that Ebert would be best 22 at Port.

Plenty of average players are best 22 at Port. If his value is based on being best 22 at Port then we'll trade you Matt Thomas for him.

For a start Brown hardly got a game all year.

Wasn't Brown injured?

He was chosen over Masten for the majority of the season.

Yep, I said that one was arguable. Masten ahead on late season form though.

Embley and Nicoski will not be there for much longer than next year IMO.

Maybe not, but they are now, so Ebert probably isn't best 22 yet.

He's been in the system for 4 years, he's on the fringe of the 22 at best and about 5 players outside it at worst, and unless he can improve his kicking in a big way (which is rare for a player of his age) he has limited upside. He's really not worth that much, Weagles.

And probably a future captain.

Lol. Maybe if Boak, Trengove, Hartlett, Gray, Butcher and Pittard all retire before Cassisi does.

 

[archiemoses]

Lol. Maybe if Boak, Trengove, Hartlett, Gray, Butcher and Pittard all retire before Cassisi does.

Wow more leaders than the United Nations.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Nice to see that Eagles supporters are offended about the fact that Ebert isn't worth as much as they thought and have consequently decided to turn this thread into a club trolling thread. I thought this was supposed to be banned on the D&T board?

 

[West Coast 06]

Maybe not, but they are now, so Ebert probably isn't best 22 yet.

He's been in the system for 4 years, he's on the fringe of the 22 at best and about 5 players outside it at worst, and unless he can improve his kicking in a big way (which is rare for a player of his age) he has limited upside. He's really not worth that much, Weagles.

Spin it anyway you want, he was best 22 for 22 games this season in a top four club. That is factual.

Your assessment of upside is subjective. West Coast obviously saw something they liked about him, or they would not have invested 70 odd games into him over the last four years.

Port is trying to shaft us and you know it. There is unfortunately not much we can do about it, except have long memories. What goes around comes around.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Spin it anyway you want, he was best 22 for 22 games this season in a top four club.

Best available 22 =/= best 22.

Port is trying to shaft us and you know it.

No, I don't. If it was up to me we wouldn't be trading for him at all, and AFAIC Eagles supporters should be dancing in the streets if they get an early second rounder for an average player with limited upside, yet there are some complaining about getting a PP for him. Crazy.

There is unfortunately not much we can do about it, except have long memories. What goes around comes around.

You mean if an average player wants to go from Port back to WA we'll only get an early second rounder for him!?

...

You know what, I can leave with that.

 

[manureid]

This thread has turned to shite. Hope they get something done soon either way so all the bitching stops!

 

[archiemoses]

Nice to see that Eagles supporters are offended about the fact that Ebert isn't worth as much as they thought and have consequently decided to turn this thread into a club trolling thread. I thought this was supposed to be banned on the D&T board?

TBH, the player you get with pick 33 will probably be delisted. So i'd rather see him try his luck in the PSD and hopefully GWS/GC take him.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

West Coast supporters are gauging his value by x games played (and draft history) rather than actual talent and skill.

 

[Obeanie1]

Plenty of average players are best 22 at Port. If his value is based on being best 22 at Port then we'll trade you Matt Thomas for him.
Wasn't Brown injured?

Yep, I said that one was arguable. Masten ahead on late season form though.

Maybe not, but they are now, so Ebert probably isn't best 22 yet.

He's been in the system for 4 years, he's on the fringe of the 22 at best and about 5 players outside it at worst, and unless he can improve his kicking in a big way (which is rare for a player of his age) he has limited upside. He's really not worth that much, Weagles.

Lol. Maybe if Boak, Trengove, Hartlett, Gray, Butcher and Pittard all retire before Cassisi does.

Tyson Stenglien and Daniel Chick certainly were not elite kicks were they?

Yet they were key members of our premiership side and played very important roles. The Eagles used first round picks to secure them and compensate their clubs accordingly.

But in Eberts case he is worth 'very little'.

28 + 33 for Ebert and pick 45 or 63.

Pay up or we burn both Ebert and Port with the PSD and have zero trading relationship going forward and the gloves come off. What goes around comes around.

 

[greennick]

Not much difference between 28 and 33.

Then why is it off the table?? Pick 33 for Ebert is a stupid trade for us.

It is ridiculous that people on here are actually arguing that 33 alone is fair. If that is actually all Port offers, they can go and get ****ed. I hope we let him go in the PSD for nothing then. With any luck GWS or GC will pick him up just to shit you.

This won't happen though, Port is making their initial claims. Like we made ours wanting pick 6. We'll end up with pick 28 and either an exchange of later round picks or a young player (maybe 33 if it is a highly promising young player like Newton).

 

[Scotland]

To be fair, WC did play Port twice in 2011...

FWIW, WC finished 4th with 17 wins having beaten Geelong (2nd and eventual premier) & Carlton (5th on 15 wins) then lost a QF by 3 goals and a PF by 6 goals.

I'd say that has North and Port of 2007 covered, comfortably.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Best available 22 =/= best 22.

We had bugger-all injuries this year, particularly to the midfield and forward line players that Ebert was competing with.

The guys who spent time on the sidelines - Waters, Butler, Brown - weren't players that would have kept Ebert out of the side.

 

[PortBrillance]

West Coast supporters are gauging his value by x games played (and draft history) rather than actual talent and skill.

Agreed.

Pettigrew has played over 100 games, how does your first rounder and Ebert for our pick 33 sound WC fans?

 

[Schulzenfest]

Tyson Stenglien and Daniel Chick certainly were not elite kicks were they?

Yet they were key members of our premiership side and played very important roles. The Eagles used first round picks to secure them and compensate their clubs accordingly.

Stenglein was a tagger and Chick was a defender. You don't need to be an elite kick to play those positions. Ebert has played as an offensive outside midfielder/HFF. You can't play those positions well if you can't kick.

But in Eberts case he is worth 'very little'.

28 + 33 for Ebert and pick 45 or 63.

If the Eagles asked for 28 AND 33 for Ebert, then the only club damaging it's reputation in trade week would be the Eagles for being absolute ****wits. He's worth 28 at the absolute most.

What goes around comes around.

Sweet, so if an outside midfielder who can't kick wants to come to WCE we'll demand a ridiculous price for him and send him to the PSD. Guess you guys better hope you finish near the bottom of the ladder that year.

FWIW, WC finished 4th with 17 wins having beaten Geelong (2nd and eventual premier) & Carlton (5th on 15 wins) then lost a QF by 3 goals and a PF by 6 goals.

I'd say that has North and Port of 2007 covered, comfortably.

Port in 2007 beat every other side in the top 6, were the only side to beat Geelong at Skilled Stadium for 4 years and won a preliminary final by 15 goals. Well ahead of 2011 West Coast.

 

[Max zero]

Stenglein was a tagger and Chick was a defender. You don't need to be an elite kick to play those positions. Ebert has played as an offensive outside midfielder/HFF. You can't play those positions well if you can't kick.



If the Eagles asked for 28 AND 33 for Ebert, then the only club damaging it's reputation in trade week would be the Eagles for being absolute ****wits. He's worth 28 at the absolute most.



Sweet, so if an outside midfielder who can't kick wants to come to WCE we'll demand a ridiculous price for him and send him to the PSD. Guess you guys better hope you finish near the bottom of the ladder that year.

You never know what trades need to be done in the future. Especially once free agency comes in.

 

[archiemoses]

Please go to PSD Ebert. GWS are waiting!

 

[FULACH]

Hilarious thread.

Ebert would walk into Ports best 22 right now. Not saying that to be rude but he was ok for WCE in a season where they finished top 4 and had little injuries to the whole squad i.e. he deserved his spot in best 22 and wasnt just gifted playing time.

Its one of those what he is worth and what you'll get is completely different based on the situation not the player.

So Port you would think should win this deal as he could go PSD and Port could grab him.

Sorry WCE fans but im sure most of you are aware that you wont get anywhere near his worth unless Port botch this up.

Port win on this occassion but the comment in the threads are hilarious by Port supporters.

 

[Max zero]

Please go to PSD Ebert. GWS are waiting!

It's not up to him, it's the clubs decision.

It's a choice between nothing and setting an example or slightly more then nothing.

I know which I would take.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

To be fair, WC did play Port twice in 2011...

FWIW, WC finished 4th with 17 wins having beaten Geelong (2nd and eventual premier) & Carlton (5th on 15 wins) then lost a QF by 3 goals and a PF by 6 goals.

I'd say that has North and Port of 2007 covered, comfortably.

2007 is a dark year, but if you wanna talk minor round games port beat Geelong that year in Geelong!

 

[Schulzenfest]

I hope West Coast do set an example. I'm more than happy for Port to miss out on him in favour of keeping pick 28.

 

[FULACH]

It's not up to him, it's the clubs decision.

It's a choice between nothing and setting an example or slightly more then nothing.

I know which I would take.

Interesting comment.

So Port offer rubbish... say pick 51 (Not saying thats what he is worth, please bear with me)

You'd rather club say stuff it and let him walk?

Obviously WCE would fight for more etc etc but Port could just not budge and let him walk. GWS wouldnt pick him up.

Is you thinking based on principle? Based on future trades? Culture (not being walked over)?

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

*Sees that Port aren't offering a pick 5 spots lower*.

*Bashes Port and supporters by taking advantage of their all time low season*

 

[greennick]

Nice to see that Eagles supporters are offended about the fact that Ebert isn't worth as much as they thought and have consequently decided to turn this thread into a club trolling thread. I thought this was supposed to be banned on the D&T board?

It isn't that Ebert isn't as worth as much. It is that there isn't an open market and you guys are therefore trying to screw the price down unreasonably low. I don't think this is where it will end up though as BF is not the real world and initial opening negotiating statements are just that, a starting point.

I think what people are more getting annoyed at is the ridiculous calls on his value from Port supporters. If he is so shit, why are you paying him so much??

 

[Schulzenfest]

If we only offered pick 51 then the Eagles would be fully justified letting him walk. It worked for us with Stevens, and was probably a large part of the reason we got good deals for Carr and Burgoyne. An early second rounder for Ebert is reasonable though, and not taking that (especially if it's 28) just makes them look stupid.

I think what people are more getting annoyed at is the ridiculous calls on his value from Port supporters. If he is so shit, why are you paying him so much??

****ed if I know.

 

[PAFC66]

Love how all of the sudden west coast fans rate ebert yet i remember their supporters saying how he cant kick ect.. Couldnt even break it into the finals side. Hopefuly port sticks to there guns and only offers pick 33 and a player.. If not we'll take him in psd for nothing coz i doubt gws or gold coast will bother if he packs up and leaves in a year.