Brad Ebert

[ausbacker]

Watch games? I watched every game the Eagles played this year. I also watched a heap of Port Adelaide games. People rate players differently.

If the trade was to happen, Port Adelaide fans would continue to down talk Ebert until they get him and Eagles fans will continue to talk up him (unless they are Ebert haters, which plenty are) until he is traded.

The simple fact is. Unless Ebert threatens to walk out on WC, he won't be going to PA for a second pick straight swap. Anyone that thinks that is dreaming.

WC spent pick 13 on him, have already put 76 games into him and he is capable of being best 22. Eagles will be pushing for a flag the next few years so why would we trade Ebert for a second round pick? If it does happen it will be very poor trading from WC.

Again, WC will be after players that fill our biggest gaps. A straight swap for Surjan wouldn't be the worst thing to happen but no way will we add in a pick as well.

Anyways, I like the Pearce/pick 31 for Ebert/pick 22 but it all depends on if we are chasing players from other clubs. Pearce fills a very big need for us and is struggling at PA.

You're right people rate games differently. It appears that your personal rating of West Coast players is above market rate or above their abilities and your rating of opposition players below market rate or below their abilities. That's not necessarily a knock on your appraisal, more a lack of objectivity given your attachment to West Coast and your comments regarding Danyle Pearce.

Pearce isn't struggling at Port Adelaide. His second half to the season was handy. Teams tag Pearce because he's their only midfielder with hurt factor and a reasonably reliable kick. Boak has that potential but his kicking can be erratic. Why would Port Adelaide trade one of their top two midfielders to gain another midfielder with an erratic kick when their midfield is the biggest area of need?

I proposed a long time ago that as a starting point Surjan + Port's 2nd rounder for Ebert + West Coast's 2nd rounder. Port's first round pick is way above market rate for Ebert and they'd be stupid to trade it. A swap of 2nd round picks moves West Coast up 12 picks in the second round.

Whichever way it's spun, I don't think we'll trade for Surjan. I'd like to see him at West Coast but we've put our eggs in the perennially injured Waters and Butler combination with Scott Selwood and Ashley Smith appearing capable of doing an OK job on small forwards. I harbour the suspicion that if Ebert does ask to be traded back to Port Adelaide and given West Coast's amicable trading mentality, the deal will be one that services both sides compensatory needs.

 

[Wickzki]

using football fans on this site absolute lack of interest in him is a good gauge on how average he is.

Why would we be interested? It's pretty fair to suggest that if he leaves West Coast that he is headed to South Australia. If he were a Victorian then you'd have several teams very interested in him.

 

[Butler]

Why didn't he play the last two games and who would he kick out of your current 22?

Because his form wasn't good enough to keep others out of the side. He was best 22 for almost the whole year, just got dropped at the end.

He played some very good games during the year which has shown he does have upside and can be a very good player. I don't know which spot he would take. He is fighting for spots with Masten, Darling and Nicoski atm. Nicoski is no guarentee to have another good season and Masten will most likely move into the middle if he has a good pre season which would free up that HF spot. Probably be pushing Mcginnity out. ATM i would say he is the 23rd player picked due to other players form but that doesn't mean he isn't capable of being best 22 after a big pre season.

Examples of some good games this year:
Round 20 v Richmond
21 disps (15 kicks 6 hballs), 6 marks, 4 tackles and 4 goals
Round 16 v Geelong
20 disps (14 kicks 6 hballs), 7 marks, 4 tackles and a goal
Round 6 v Melbourne
24 disps (14 kicks 10 hballs), 8 marks and 6 tackles

Now before people comment on the possession amounts, take into account that he had next to no middle time. He played purely as a HF. So 20 possessions at HF is a good game.

From those stats you can also see he gets amongst the tackles, uses his over head marking ability and can kick a few goals.

In Round 16 v Geelong he was very important and we probably would have lost the game without him. The way he put his body over the ball was inspirational.

I am not trying to talk him up either. I have already said i would prefer we keep him because i really don't think it would be worth it for WC other than getting Pearce. I'm just saying, Port fans shouldn't be dissapointed if they end up with him.

 

[Butler]

You're right people rate games differently. It appears that your personal rating of West Coast players is above market rate or above their abilities and your rating of opposition players below market rate or below their abilities. That's not necessarily a knock on your appraisal, more a lack of objectivity given your attachment to West Coast and your comments regarding Danyle Pearce.

Pearce isn't struggling at Port Adelaide. His second half to the season was handy. Teams tag Pearce because he's their only midfielder with hurt factor and a reasonably reliable kick. Boak has that potential but his kicking can be erratic. Why would Port Adelaide trade one of their top two midfielders to gain another midfielder with an erratic kick when their midfield is the biggest area of need?

I proposed a long time ago that as a starting point Surjan + Port's 2nd rounder for Ebert + West Coast's 2nd rounder. Port's first round pick is way above market rate for Ebert and they'd be stupid to trade it. A swap of 2nd round picks moves West Coast up 12 picks in the second round.

Whichever way it's spun, I don't think we'll trade for Surjan. I'd like to see him at West Coast but we've put our eggs in the perennially injured Waters and Butler combination with Scott Selwood and Ashley Smith appearing capable of doing an OK job on small forwards. I harbour the suspicion that if Ebert does ask to be traded back to Port Adelaide and given West Coast's amicable trading mentality, the deal will be one that services both sides compensatory needs.

Bolded a few bits i will respond to.

First of all for a player of Pearces ability, "handy" isn't good. Maybe struggling was an over-kill but he is hardly setting the world on fire and i am sure Port supporters would have expected a bit more than handy from him.

I don't think anyone in this thread has said they expect pick 6 from Port. People have said that they believe he is worth a late first rounder, obviously not pick 6. The point i have debated is that there is no way i would even consider a straight swap for a second round pick. If Ebert's trade value is a second round pick then he is worth more to us than it is to trade him.

Scott Selwood? surely that is a typo? Scott Selwood hasn't played in the backline all year and is no chance of going back there. We already have Butler, Waters, Smith, A.Selwood, Schofield, Mcginnity, Hurn, J.Jones, Brennan and Sheppard competing for backline like spots. Picking up a shutdown defender is hardly a need. Add into that the possibility that we are apparently considering Davis.

You will also notice that i said WC should go after Pearce with Ebert plus something in earlier posts. I never said Ebert for Pearce was an option as far as i know.

Also should throw in that Pearce is 26 next year and his trade value is fairly high. With Port rebuilding they might be better off trading him now.

 

[HARKER]

Still considering his options but apparently wants more time in the middle and considering going back home to Adelaide

Must be worth a first rounder

Exactly how many players are worth first rounders? All it seems.
May push it for a late second rounder unless Sydney see something dynamic in him.

 

[philthy05]

Why would we be interested? It's pretty fair to suggest that if he leaves West Coast that he is headed to South Australia. If he were a Victorian then you'd have several teams very interested in him.

its appears that mitch clark will want out to his home state as well. how much more interest has he drawn by other supporters who think he could improve their team??

why hasnt ebert drawn the same interest??

ild say it was because many people have a very "meh" opinion of him.

has only been linked to port because of his family connections.

alot of wc fans place his value at around 10-20, carltons pick will be 22 would you trade that for him?? would you like to see your team outbid port if you thought he could be persuaded to come to you?? or is he not good enough to crack your midfield or 22 and not worth your pick 22? but surely odds are you wont get anything better than him with that pick according to eagles fans.. so why wouldnt you want to do it??

im sure you will use the argument that your midfield is better and you dont need him, but we could... because obviously the best way to improve our midfield up to yours is to settle and add players who couldnt crack your midfield.... right??

 

[ausbacker]

Bolded a few bits i will respond to.

It seems obvious to me that you have West Coast rose coloured glasses on and wont be budging from your incorrect assessments which is fine.

First of all for a player of Pearces ability, "handy" isn't good. Maybe struggling was an over-kill but he is hardly setting the world on fire and i am sure Port supporters would have expected a bit more than handy from him.

Handy is the best description you're going to get from a 3 win team. If you think any player is considered worthy of achieving a good grade when your team wins 3 games in 22, that's your prerogative.

I don't think anyone in this thread has said they expect pick 6 from Port. People have said that they believe he is worth a late first rounder, obviously not pick 6. The point i have debated is that there is no way i would even consider a straight swap for a second round pick. If Ebert's trade value is a second round pick then he is worth more to us than it is to trade him.

Port Adelaide doesn't have a late first round pick. I would agree with the assessment that Ebert alone would command a late teens early 20's pick.

The rest of your point is nonsensical.

Scott Selwood? surely that is a typo? Scott Selwood hasn't played in the backline all year and is no chance of going back there. We already have Butler, Waters, Smith, A.Selwood, Schofield, Mcginnity, Hurn, J.Jones, Brennan and Sheppard competing for backline like spots. Picking up a shutdown defender is hardly a need. Add into that the possibility that we are apparently considering Davis.

Where did Scott Selwood play last season? Where has Adam Selwood played this season? Perhaps you should start looking at a player's capabilities and positional history before chomping off at the bit. Sheppard has no accountability. If I'm looking for someone to lock down on a forward, Butler is the only one capable of doing some on a regular basis from your list. Smith is more likely to go to the dangerous medium talls.

You will also notice that i said WC should go after Pearce with Ebert plus something in earlier posts. I never said Ebert for Pearce was an option as far as i know.

I did notice and your propositions were ludicrously in favour of West Coast. Peter Rohde is an idiot, but he's not that much of an idiot. I'd be all for West Coast doing a number on Port Adelaide in terms of value. Thankfully, the professionals at the club realize forum trade propositions are best left to dummies like us and value their reputation when it comes to fair and amicable trades.

Also should throw in that Pearce is 26 next year and his trade value is fairly high. With Port rebuilding they might be better off trading him now.

Age is of no bearing when it comes to performance. People need to get away from this stigma of age and rebuilding.

As it stands, Ebert is going to be a nice depth/situational player for West Coast. It doesn't bother me if he's traded or if we keep him.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

If there were to be a trade, Pearce won't be involved since he's a much better player.

 

[longdonkey]

I don't think there will be a trade. Either Ebert will stay at WCE or he'll go to Port in the pre-season draft.

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Ebert won't fall to us in the PSD.

There would be a trade if he decides he wants to come here.

 

[Butler]

It seems obvious to me that you have West Coast rose coloured glasses on and wont be budging from your incorrect assessments which is fine.

Incorrect assessment? Why because you don't rate Ebert? that's your opinion. Or are we talking Pearce? again, it's an opinion of another players season. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's incorrect. Arrogant statement.

Handy is the best description you're going to get from a 3 win team. If you think any player is considered worthy of achieving a good grade when your team wins 3 games in 22, that's your prerogative.

Oh really? So Ablett's season was handy?

Port Adelaide doesn't have a late first round pick. I would agree with the assessment that Ebert alone would command a late teens early 20's pick.

The rest of your point is nonsensical.

Then what are you argueing about? we both think he has the same value yet mine is some how "an incorrect assessment"?? lol. I'm fairly sure everyone is aware Port don't have a late first round pick, they were just commenting on what they think he is worth.

Where did Scott Selwood play last season? Where has Adam Selwood played this season? Perhaps you should start looking at a player's capabilities and positional history before chomping off at the bit. Sheppard has no accountability. If I'm looking for someone to lock down on a forward, Butler is the only one capable of doing some on a regular basis from your list. Smith is more likely to go to the dangerous medium talls.

Are even an Eagles supporter? did you watch them this year? I don't like to question someone on their knowledge of the team they support but geez this post looks like an outsiders point of view.

Adam Selwood played basically the whole season in the backline shutting down opposition small forwards. Mcginnity, Butler and Smith have also played and beaten dangerous small forwards. Schofield will take the mediums over Smith. Hurn and Waters are more attacking but they still take up those back flanks. Sheppard is young and still devolping but he is another attacking back flanker (although will eventually end up on a wing). Scott Selwood will not play in the backline again, if you have watched the Eagles this year you will see why. The fact that he played back last year and Adam played middle last year has nothing to do with anything.

I did notice and your propositions were ludicrously in favour of West Coast. Peter Rohde is an idiot, but he's not that much of an idiot. I'd be all for West Coast doing a number on Port Adelaide in terms of value. Thankfully, the professionals at the club realize forum trade propositions are best left to dummies like us and value their reputation when it comes to fair and amicable trades.

How? As far as i can remember i haven't suggested a Ebert for Pearce trade. Only said that i liked a trade that a Port fan suggested.

Age is of no bearing when it comes to performance. People need to get away from this stigma of age and rebuilding.

What? So when teams are rebuilding they shouldn't go for younger players that will hit their prime around the same time and push them towards a flag? Port want to build a team around their young kids. Pearce could very well be 29-30 before those kids hit their peak and while i understand that veterans are also important to teams, it's very likely that Pearce will be on the decline. Instead they could trade him off for a good deal and possibly pick up another good young kid or more.

Most players are hitting their peak from ages 24-27ish. After that they start dropping off. Some players do stay steady until they retire, but very rarely are they a Pearce type player.

 

[ausbacker]

Incorrect assessment? Why because you don't rate Ebert? that's your opinion. Or are we talking Pearce? again, it's an opinion of another players season. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean it's incorrect. Arrogant statement.

I never said I didn't "rate" Ebert more I don't place any credence in your opinion.

Oh really? So Ablett's season was handy?

Ablett is the best player in the AFL. Poor use of an example.

Then what are you argueing about? we both think he has the same value yet mine is some how "an incorrect assessment"?? lol. I'm fairly sure everyone is aware Port don't have a late first round pick, they were just commenting on what they think he is worth.

Sigh.

Are even an Eagles supporter? did you watch them this year? I don't like to question someone on their knowledge of the team they support but geez this post looks like an outsiders point of view.

Reading your posts, I'd ask you the same question given you've offered little that is factual about West Coast.

Adam Selwood played basically the whole season in the backline shutting down opposition small forwards. Mcginnity, Butler and Smith have also played and beaten dangerous small forwards. Schofield will take the mediums over Smith. Hurn and Waters are more attacking but they still take up those back flanks. Sheppard is young and still devolping but he is another attacking back flanker (although will eventually end up on a wing). Scott Selwood will not play in the backline again, if you have watched the Eagles this year you will see why. The fact that he played back last year and Adam played middle last year has nothing to do with anything.

You still don't "get it" do you? Because a player is NOT playing that position right now does not mean they aren't capable of playing it in the future of haven't in the past. All straw man arguments. Taking up a position is not a measure of competency, it means you're taking up a position. I'm happy with Scooter's development. The fact is he can go back if required.

How? As far as i can remember i haven't suggested a Ebert for Pearce trade. Only said that i liked a trade that a Port fan suggested.

Being party to the suggestion is an endorsement of the suggestion.

What? So when teams are rebuilding they shouldn't go for younger players that will hit their prime around the same time and push them towards a flag? Port want to build a team around their young kids. Pearce could very well be 29-30 before those kids hit their peak and while i understand that veterans are also important to teams, it's very likely that Pearce will be on the decline. Instead they could trade him off for a good deal and possibly pick up another good young kid or more.

No. A mixture of youth and veteran experience is needed in a rebuild.

Most players are hitting their peak from ages 24-27ish. After that they start dropping off. Some players do stay steady until they retire, but very rarely are they a Pearce type player.

Incorrect statement.

 

[bodazoka]

Why didn't he play the last two games and who would he kick out of your current 22?

He didn't play because of match ups and our over tall forward line. He played 22 games this year so is hardly struggling to break into the team.

Remember we do have lynch, Kennedy, lecras, darling, cox, naita and nicoski.. That's a pretty good forward line.

 

[wayb2912]

according to mmm ebert is in adelaide talking to port this weekend

 

[Jonts]

Port's second rounder and a depth player (eg Pettigrew) should be fair

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

2nd and Surjan is the absolute max I'd offer. Would throw in D. Motlop for free if they want him.

 

[PJ Power]

Port's second rounder and a depth player (eg Pettigrew) should be fair

Something like that, but Motlop may be of more interest to WCE than Pettigrew as the depth player. Certainly not Surjan and the draft pick.

 

[Obeanie1]

2nd and Surjan is the absolute max I'd offer. Would throw in D. Motlop for free if they want him.

Would take Surjan and your 2nd rounder and even throw in our 3rd rounder as we wouldn't be using it anyway.

We won't use any more than 3 picks this season IMO.

 

[DBAH0]

Actually think he's one Geelong would possibly look at if he's available.

Pretty similar player to Joel Corey, so could be a long - term replacement.

But considering Geelong's lack of trading over the past 10 years (much more likely to keep our picks and develop our own players), I doubt we'll be doing much at all come trade week.

 

[sTeeL]

I don't think there will be a trade. Either Ebert will stay at WCE or he'll go to Port in the pre-season draft.

This gets thrown around a lot. RARELY HAPPENS.

 

[Peck]

2nd rounder + a Pettigrew or Surjan seems overs, but the closest to fair.

Ebert is borderline first 22 at West Coast so he is definitely not worthy of much more than a 2nd rounder if that IMO even in a weak draft. And to be honest I'd be stoked to offload Pettigrew to you guys as he isn't really required in our side anymore, and everybody seems to hate him. Less whinging is a good thing

 

[Monocle]

2nd rounder + a Pettigrew or Surjan seems overs, but the closest to fair.

Ebert is borderline first 22 at West Coast so he is definitely not worthy of much more than a 2nd rounder if that IMO even in a weak draft. And to be honest I'd be stoked to offload Pettigrew to you guys as he isn't really required in our side anymore, and everybody seems to hate him. Less whinging is a good thing

Good try but why the hell would we want Pettigrew ?

Pettigrew is a list clogger, so better on your list than ours. And by the way you can keep Motlop as well.

On a serious note if Port want Ebert i am sure that the two Clubs will come to some amicable trade.

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

Good try but why the hell would we want Pettigrew ?

Pettigrew is a list clogger, so better on your list than ours. And by the way you can keep Motlop as well.

On a serious note if Port want Ebert i am sure that the two Clubs will come to some amicable trade.

I agree. Pettigrew looked rubbish on ports list, he would be buried on wce's. But motlop would be great on yours, you people underestimate what damage an inform motlop can do. As someone said earlier, kick the ball to mots and ebert and mots would cream him. But he is at end of career so it de-values him. Surjan and second rounder is still more than fair, and we will throw in mots to help go better than preliminary final next year.

 

[kane249]

Surjan wouldn't get a game with us so not sure why we would want him? Motlop is too old

 

[Shaucob_Burjan]

Well it's not like Ebert is getting a game with your club and Surjan is a better player than him.