Brad Ebert

[WALL-e]

Adelaide: We Bid Myke Cook.....

Port: We Bid Paul Stewart....

Adelaide: We Big Brad Symes....


Port: Let's not get crazy here.

 

[pantskyle]

Adelaide: We Bid Myke Cook.....

Port: We Bid Paul Stewart....

Adelaide: We Big Brad Symes....


Port: Let's not get crazy here.

Funny though I think Adelaide is in a much better position to dangle there first pick then Port are. Adelaide already have the talent and should play finals next year they don't need a top 15 pick they could wait until our first pick.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Adelaide: We Bid Myke Cook.....

Port: We Bid Paul Stewart....

Adelaide: We Big Brad Symes....


Port: Let's not get crazy here.

As a mod you should know better.

Ebert has plenty of the talent required to be a good HFF or inside mid. Good overhead mark, good at reading the drop of the ball from a pack, pretty good opportunistic goal kicker and good set shot.

Likewise solid extractor, nice hands, has ball winning ability and a great tackler.

His issue of course is his field kicking.

Still better than the likes of Priddis and one of the main reasons he impacts games less than he could is because he is used as a role player ATM.

We have players who rotate through HFF's in LeCras, Nicoski or Shuey who have him on either talent or seniority.

Likewise as an inside ball winner (Kerr, Priddis or again Shuey).

His best game for the season was when we had a couple of injuries and he was given a more central role.

Ebert is capable and could be quite a good player, just needs the opportunity and to work a little on his field kicking.

 

[WALL-e]

You both believe Ebert if worth pick 10?

 

[Goldfish]

For interests sake, I just had a look at the 150 players taken between picks 26 - 50 since 2006, dropped them into spreadsheet and reviewed each player and if I would prefer them to Ebert.

78% of these players weren't up to Ebert's standard... So do you actually think it is worth trading him for a pick higher than pick 25 if there is only a 22% (or 1 in 5) chance of getting a better player than he currently is?

 

[DivideandMultiply]

You both believe Ebert if worth pick 10?

No I believe he is worth more than Brad Symes.

As long as they play him in the right role, the club who gets him will be very happy with what he can contribute.

Heck may end up justifying his pick 13 selection.

My opinion is he is worth a pick in the early 20's or a player like Surjan or Pearce.

 

[Goldfish]

You both believe Ebert if worth pick 10?

Ebert + our first pick (22 I think) for pick 10 would be about right IMO.

Not worth pick 10 on his own.

 

[WALL-e]

No I believe he is worth more than Brad Symes.

As long as they play him in the right role, the club who gets him will be very happy with what he can contribute.

Heck may end up justifying his pick 13 selection.

My opinion is he is worth a pick in the early 20's or a player like Surjan or Pearce.

I have a hair that fell off my left nut that's prbably got a bit more value than Symes. I'm just taking the piss out of the 'bidding war' comments that insinuate we've got a Judd trade on our hands.

In this draft, I'd say he'd be worth a second rounder, but the club would know what they're getting.....depends if they'd prefer to spin the wheel in the draft.

Big Problem with Ebert is in todays game, if you turn the ball over in the field of play, you'll get scored on. He can be a liability at times. That said, he's a strong bodied mid, with a good ability to find the footy with ok inside mid traits. But he's got average agility, poor speed and porr disposal. That rules out an outside mid, so he's an inside mid, with average agility, average hands. He's a solid player, who will probably play 150 games.....which is better than a lot of what you'll get this draft so he'd probably be worth a second....depends whow highly reruiters rate themselves.

 

[pantskyle]

You both believe Ebert if worth pick 10?

No but it wouldn't surprise me if Adelaide offered it for Ebert and our first rounder.

 

[pantskyle]

I have a hair that fell off my left nut that's prbably got a bit more value than Symes. I'm just taking the piss out of the 'bidding war' comments that insinuate we've got a Judd trade on our hands.

In this draft, I'd say he'd be worth a second rounder, but the club would know what they're getting.....depends if they'd prefer to spin the wheel in the draft.

I never insinuated that so yeah facts first champ.

 

[Adz2332]

wouldnt offer Pearce up for him... Surj maybe but still dont want to loose him. had a rough year yes. But in previous years has been close to AA as a shut down defender.

For what its worth i think he'll stay at WC but if not i could see our PP pick being enough

 

[jknothimjustafan]

Ebert to Port

Ports priority pick to Collingwood

Macaffer and Davis to West Coast

?

 

[Butler]

Eagles should chase Pearce. Even if we have to throw something in something extra.

Also, people don't seem to realize that Ebert is also a good overhead mark for his size, throws his body around in close and a good tackler. He does have good potential.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

wouldnt offer Pearce up for him... Surj maybe but still dont want to loose him. had a rough year yes. But in previous years has been close to AA as a shut down defender.

For what its worth i think he'll stay at WC but if not i could see our PP pick being enough

Serious? Surj for Ebert would be a great deal for you....

 

[Masto]

Ebert is a 21yo midfielder who has played 76 games and was squeezed out of a top 4 side for a semi-final and prelim. He is still worth every bit of that pick 13 he was taken at - and he won't be traded for chump change like Surjan or a 2nd round pick in a weak draft.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

I have a hair that fell off my left nut that's prbably got a bit more value than Symes. I'm just taking the piss out of the 'bidding war' comments that insinuate we've got a Judd trade on our hands.

In this draft, I'd say he'd be worth a second rounder, but the club would know what they're getting.....depends if they'd prefer to spin the wheel in the draft.

Big Problem with Ebert is in todays game, if you turn the ball over in the field of play, you'll get scored on. He can be a liability at times. That said, he's a strong bodied mid, with a good ability to find the footy with ok inside mid traits. But he's got average agility, poor speed and porr disposal. That rules out an outside mid, so he's an inside mid, with average agility, average hands. He's a solid player, who will probably play 150 games.....which is better than a lot of what you'll get this draft so he'd probably be worth a second....depends whow highly reruiters rate themselves.

What you are forgetting though is that he plays his best footy as a HFF.

Is quite good offensively but gets few opportunities as we play him in a more defensive or high marking HF role, due to the amount of quality goal kicking options we have.

 

[Mattman93]

Are all these potential trades working on the basis of him wanting out of West Coast, or another club actively trying acquire him?

Because if the latter, we wouldn't accept anything less than a first round pick.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Are all these potential trades working on the basis of him wanting out of West Coast, or another club actively trying acquire him?

Because if the latter, we wouldn't accept anything less than a first round pick.

The latter maybe at the moment but it could turn into the former. Also, am I the only non Port supporter who rates Surjan? The exact kind of player our club seems to get the best out of. As for Pearce I reckon he could do with a change of scenery, he also fills a positional need.

 

[Masto]

Also, am I the only non Port supporter who rates Surjan?

Yes. Not even Port supporters rate him. Spent most of the year in the SANFL and couldn't crack a game in a truly struggling team. Even struggled against Claremont.

 

[Powerade 08]

Surjan best small defender (in the comp) Pearce our best small mid.

Ebert - well WC pumped game into him in the hope he would cone good and he didn't, so he must be worth something.

 

[The_Reaper]

I would love Surjan.

Would Ebert and our second rounder get Surjan and your second rounder?

 

[philthy05]

1. I'm not your buddy

2. Congratulations for going through the draft and picking players on the Eagles' list to support your argument, if you honestly believe that every player picked between picks 25 - 50 are going to be solid contributors at AFL level then good on you.

i only went through the eagles last 10 drafts. all are still on the list

3. Drafting is hit and miss.

obviously, not everyone is a winner. you have to be in it to win it though.

4. To include players that were draft 8+ years ago is irrelevant, drafting has changed substantially over this time and it is getting harder to find good players deeper into the draft.

i dont think it is irrelevent. the amount of work and study that goes into selecting the right kids has risen and it has improved. it hasnt changed completely. how does this support your argument that a pick over 25 isnt likely to produce a talent better than ebert? fasolo may be playing in a gf on sat and you say its getting harder to find talent late in the draft?

5. On the players you have named:

darling (agreed)
eric mackenzie (agreed)
matt rosa (agreed)

lycett (unproven but likely)
ash smith (agreed, on a par with Ebert at the moment)
pat macginnity (solid contributor but different roles, on a par with Ebert)

*andrew strijk (rookie, played 1 match this year as a sub and got 3 disposals)
*ashton hams (rookie, played 4 games)

*lol, ive spent some time on your board. wc fans love these guys.

matt priddis (rookie, can't compare)
mark lecras (too long ago)
adam selwood (too long ago)
mark nicoski (too long ago)
quinten lynch (too long ago)
dean cox (too long ago)
andrew embley (too long ago)

3 players I would prefer over Ebert
3 players are likely to be equal to or better than Ebert
2 players were fully fit all year and couldn't push Ebert out of the side
7 players were draft as rookies or too long ago (or both in the case of Cox, Nico and Lynch)

i named 15 players who are currently on your list and alot of them are first 22 ahead of ebert.

I state again, I would rather keep Ebert as a potential 200 game solid contributor than trade him for a pick over 25

thats fine, im not arguing that you should want him gone from your list. many have said the best result for west coast would be if he stayed. just because you would rather him than a pick over 25 doesnt mean that he is worth more than a pick 25 in a trade.

maybe drafting is a bit hit and miss, i selected 15 players from 10 drafts taken after pick 25 ( without even looking at picks you traded away).

you can point out how many missed, but ill tell you that you dont get to choose what year you hit and miss. maybe that "after pick 25 not likely to be any good " player is andrew embley.

 

[philthy05]

if ebert really wanted more midfield time he would remind woosha that he was a first round pick, and thereby better than matt rosa.

 

[gurncentral]

thats fine, im not arguing that you should want him gone from your list. many have said the best result for west coast would be if he stayed. just because you would rather him than a pick over 25 doesnt mean that he is worth more than a pick 25 in a trade.

maybe drafting is a bit hit and miss, i selected 15 players from 10 drafts taken after pick 25 ( without even looking at picks you traded away).

you can point out how many missed, but ill tell you that you dont get to choose what year you hit and miss. maybe that "after pick 25 not likely to be any good " player is andrew embley.

We do seem to be good at spotting and developing talent. What about this for a trade?

Ebert to Port for pick 6
At the end of next year, you give us Ebert plus Surjan, and we give you the player we took at pick 6

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

I would love Surjan.

Would Ebert and our second rounder get Surjan and your second rounder?

Yes. Surjan would thrive at WC and he would become an elite shut down defender. He came close at port in 08 / 09 but personal life issues have hampered that. Let's not forget that hd wasnt playing this year for other reasons than not being good enough. He was getting bests for maggies but not being considered.