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This however would require Poortto have players tradeable...
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This however would require Poortto have players tradeable...
I wonder what would happen if Adelaide threw the pick it gets for Gunsten say 18-24 into the mix
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You are desparate for his services, but you won't be desparate in the negotiations, but when push comes to shove, you'll meet WCE valuation or he will got to PSD.
WCE valuation is not unreasonable, we are not asking for pick 6, but an end of first rounder.
I have no probs if he goes to PSD. We lose pick 33.
Again that paragraph as a whole isn't logical, you are either desperate to get someone or you aren't. I agree with the bolded but just as equally you could say WCE will meet Ports valuation or he will go PSD. If he goes PSD Port aren't desperate to get him!
Umm doesnt quite sum up the fact that Adelaide took Dangerfield because he was a better prospect. Nothing to do with Ebert wanting to play for Port. His parents wanted him to go to the Crows so he didn't leave the state, but we weren't interested in him. Dangerfield was probably a far bigger flight risk than Ebert was, but he was simply a better talent.
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Galileo9
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personally hope that we do get r*ped in this trade. eagles have been fair traders historically and have always given value. we dont get into this PSD-threat business and i hope after this, we take the gloves off.
although not possible since thjey dont really have any decent WA players, I hope we attack that walking advertisement for Powerade.
According to their and our list managers it hasn't. That site has rubbish accuracy.
He was in our best 22 for most of the year despite the fact we had no injuries. He was dropped for the finals after 2 quiet games and with mounting speculation he may leave following him not signing a new contract. It would not surprise me if they knew he was going to leave and this had some influence on his dropping. Still, he was most definitely best 22 for 90% of the year.
disagree, ebert was not in the best 22.
he's a fringe player at the moment.
the only thing he really has going for him is:
*70 odd games
*highish draft pick
*22 years old
other than that, he hasn't really impressed.
his improvement was marginal at best.
he may still become a great player, but it doesn't mean we can demand a first rounder for him.
he's a fringe player at the moment.
the only thing he really has going for him is:
*70 odd games
*highish draft pick
*22 years old
other than that, he hasn't really impressed.
his improvement was marginal at best.
he may still become a great player, but it doesn't mean we can demand a first rounder for him.
I think you are having great difficulty in comprehending a relatively simple sentence.
Here's an analogy you may understand.
You may be massively keen on a chick, but you are not going to act desperate infront of her are you? You will look like a twat and she will be scared off.
Same applies for trade negotiating, you may be desperate on a player to come to your club, but you aren't going to go "here have 3 first round draft picks". You are going to put on your poker face and play hardball.
No one will ever appear desperate in trade negotiations, because you lose the upper hand.
It is actually that easy.
ebo is only 21 btw guys and will still be 21 at the start of next season. He was at the extreme bottom end age wise when drafted and is only 1 month older than nic naitanui who was drafted a year later.
ebert is an inside midfielder who has been forced to play other positions as he's been behind a couple of other players and also because he has more utility than some of the other young guys vying for his primary position as well. As far as i know his disposal efficiency also improved 10% this year which is quite significant and while his field kicking does still need some work his kicking for goal is actually at least average to good. I would back him in to be at least a vice captain of the team he goes to at some stage of his career and to play another 150 games in his career. Long term i liken him to being a cross between cameron ling and brad sewell. (even comes with a serve of ling ugly built in)
I have been watching him since he was sixteen not just in his role in the last 12 months like a lot of afl followers.
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I get it but I think you have forgotten why you were arguing with me.
Read my original point with Coledinho. He states, if Port acknolwedge they are desperate to get a deal done, a deal would be done. I said a deal has not been done so Port aren't desperate.
You are saying a deal has not been done, so Port are not desperate. Well that is a big yarn, because Port want Ebert desperately, but they are not stupid enough to offer overs straight up. So they know, they have a week, and are confident of getting their man, so they don't need to rush it.
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I agree that what coledinho said was stupid. Why are you arguing with me and not him?
interesting isn't it
its only the bigfooty folk who threaten with psd
i know its in everyone personal vested interests to see the best for their team
but let the trade evolve by itself
it seems that there are no animosity between the trading teams
so hopefully a fair and equitable trade will be done
and move on
its only the bigfooty folk who threaten with psd
i know its in everyone personal vested interests to see the best for their team
but let the trade evolve by itself
it seems that there are no animosity between the trading teams
so hopefully a fair and equitable trade will be done
and move on
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Port want Ebert so desperately that they're apparently willing to let him go into the PSD.
You've asked for a pick 2 picks outside the first round and a second rounder swap that takes Port from one end of the round to the other. If we had pick 26 I'd give that alone for Ebert, but giving up the PP and a very early second rounder is too much.
You've asked for a pick 2 picks outside the first round and a second rounder swap that takes Port from one end of the round to the other. If we had pick 26 I'd give that alone for Ebert, but giving up the PP and a very early second rounder is too much.
"2 picks outside the 1st round"?
Call it what it is pick 28 in a weak draft which you agree is unders (not a lot but it is unders). You don't even want to part with that and instead want 33. By your own admission that would be even more under.
You say it's early in the 2nd round. No, pick 24 is early in the second round, but because of GWS that 'early' second round is now 33, which in any other draft would almost be the end of the 2nd round.
What you are really offering in 28+33 is one mid 2nd rounder and one late 2nd rounder in a weak draft. Yet that is 'overs' apparently.
Even 28+33 for Ebert+45 in this draft still a damn steal for Port. I would bet money that you will not get a better player at 28 or 33 then Ebert in this draft.
If only we knew we would of been offered such crap we would of shipped off Ebert last year while he was under contract.
People keep treating this like a normal draft but it's not. Not only is it weaker talent wise(due to GC and GWS) but the picks that a left are coming in later then usual (9 spots later after 15).
Spot on. A trade will be worked out. It is funny watching people on here defend opening positions as if that is the actual trade. Obviously they will be devastated when the actual trade goes through somewhere in between.
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TheBrownDog
When did I do that?
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What the hell does this have to do with my post? Why quote it?
So if 26 would get the deal done what would you call 28?
A mid 2nd rounder in a weak draft is just bleh. A mid 2nd rounder and a later 2nd rounder is just bleh+1.
Hope Ebert rots at Port. Screwed the club over nicely.
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So you think if we don't give you the absolute maximum that Ebert is worth, then it's unders? No matter you're so offended about this.
IMO anything between 25-35 is reasonable value for Ebert. Not unders, not overs, reasonable value. That doesn't make 33 unders, and it sure as hell doesn't make 28 unders. It means that either of those picks would be a reasonable offer.
IMO anything between 25-35 is reasonable value for Ebert. Not unders, not overs, reasonable value. That doesn't make 33 unders, and it sure as hell doesn't make 28 unders. It means that either of those picks would be a reasonable offer.
I would think that Pick 33 is as good as the offer will get given Ebert has said he wants to go to Port and they can get him through the PSD.
Not a great outcome for WCE but may as well take it rather than have him walk for nothing. Port were in a similar situation with Nick Stevens a few years back and refused deal, only for him to go to Carlton in PSD anyway so what goes around comes around i guess.....
Not a great outcome for WCE but may as well take it rather than have him walk for nothing. Port were in a similar situation with Nick Stevens a few years back and refused deal, only for him to go to Carlton in PSD anyway so what goes around comes around i guess.....
I would say mid 20s is reasonable. 30+ isn't reasonable. Especially in this draft.
I would really like to know who you will pick at 28 or 33 in this draft who you think is anymore then a ~25% chance of being as good as or better then Ebert I really would.
People are saying this is a crap draft for a reason.
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