Recommitted Brad Hill [OOC 2024] - reportedly open to a trade, links to North Melbourne

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Word is apparently Brad Hill is "open to" a trade from the Saints to another club, despite still having two years to run.


His big contract might mean that Saints have to either (a) accept unders for some other club to take the full $$$, or (b) pay some of his salary.

What would he be worth?
 
If he is being poached while under contract then St Kilda should get a top ten pick for him,
If St Kilda are moving him on because he is paid almost a million a season then he will go very cheaply,
If it's just Brad Hill, having been paid most of his contract value in a front loaded deal, looking to continue being paid that higher level per year then St Kilda should either sell him for the top ten pick or hold him to his agreement.

It's all down to how this came about. A pick between 5 and 10 would be fair for him if St Kilda want to keep him given what he will be paid elsewhere, but if they want him off the books to free up that cap space then the pick might be in the future second territory.
 

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If he is being poached while under contract then St Kilda should get a top ten pick for him,
If St Kilda are moving him on because he is paid almost a million a season then he will go very cheaply,
If it's just Brad Hill, having been paid most of his contract value in a front loaded deal, looking to continue being paid that higher level per year then St Kilda should either sell him for the top ten pick or hold him to his agreement.

It's all down to how this came about. A pick between 5 and 10 would be fair for him if St Kilda want to keep him given what he will be paid elsewhere, but if they want him off the books to free up that cap space then the pick might be in the future second territory.
In what world is Brad Hill worth a a pick 5-10? he's 29 an absolute liability the second anyone puts someone on him and on 400k a year more then he is worth. This wreaks of salary dump the saints will have to pay someone to take him but pick 5-10 is delusional for a player like Hill
 
In what world is Brad Hill worth a a pick 5-10? he's 29 an absolute liability the second anyone puts someone on him and on 400k a year more then he is worth. This wreaks of salary dump the saints will have to pay someone to take him but pick 5-10 is delusional for a player like Hill

In what world? The one where St Kilda want him, he is contracted to them for two years and has huge money offers in front of him.

I agree that he hasn't performed for St Kilda like they would have hoped but if they don't want to lose him they get to put the bounty on his contract.

It's far more likely that the Saints want to free up that $900,000 to pay for a Ryder structural replacement.
 

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In what world? The one where St Kilda want him, he is contracted to them for two years and has huge money offers in front of him.

I agree that he hasn't performed for St Kilda like they would have hoped but if they don't want to lose him they get to put the bounty on his contract.

It's far more likely that the Saints want to free up that $900,000 to pay for a Ryder structural replacement.
Just because St Kilda overpaid him doesn't make him any more valuable. What club wants a flakey 29 year old winger who drops his bundle the second someone goes to him on 900k and will pay a top 10 pick for him? Laughable valuation. He went for less with a better year when he was 26 at Freo he has not added value at all and is a 3rd rounder at best. Will Brodie prime example for you what they're on dollar wise doesn't impact their value positively if they are overpaid
 

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Just because St Kilda overpaid him doesn't make him any more valuable. What club wants a flakey 29 year old winger who drops his bundle the second someone goes to him on 900k and will pay a top 10 pick for him? Laughable valuation. He went for less with a better year when he was 26 at Freo he has not added value at all and is a 3rd rounder at best. Will Brodie prime example for you what they're on dollar wise doesn't impact their value positively if they are overpaid
It's implicit that a top 10 pick in exchange for Brad Hill would result in the Saints paying some of his salary.
 
Just because St Kilda overpaid him doesn't make him any more valuable. What club wants a flakey 29 year old winger who drops his bundle the second someone goes to him on 900k and will pay a top 10 pick for him? Laughable valuation. He went for less with a better year when he was 26 at Freo he has not added value at all and is a 3rd rounder at best. Will Brodie prime example for you what they're on dollar wise doesn't impact their value positively if they are overpaid

Brad Hill was traded for a top ten pick from Freo with contracted years to run and offered huge money to move.

It's entirely consistent to think St Kilda should demand the same if they want to retain him.

Whether a club would pay that is a different story, totally different discussion.
 

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Brad Hill was traded for a top ten pick from Freo with contracted years to run and offered huge money to move.

It's entirely consistent to think St Kilda should demand the same if they want to retain him.

Whether a club would pay that is a different story, totally different discussion.
It's not at all St Kilda trade him and something to a north or essendon they get 900k in their salary cap if he stays they have a flaky winger on 900k for another couple of years it is far more beneficial for them to get rid of his shocking contract
 
In what world? The one where St Kilda want him, he is contracted to them for two years and has huge money offers in front of him.

I agree that he hasn't performed for St Kilda like they would have hoped but if they don't want to lose him they get to put the bounty on his contract.

It's far more likely that the Saints want to free up that $900,000 to pay for a Ryder structural replacement.
It's more like a salary dump trade than a poaching. No chance North cop up a top 10 pick for him. They'll be happy to walk away from any deal I'd imagine
 

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If he is being poached while under contract then St Kilda should get a top ten pick for him,
If St Kilda are moving him on because he is paid almost a million a season then he will go very cheaply,
If it's just Brad Hill, having been paid most of his contract value in a front loaded deal, looking to continue being paid that higher level per year then St Kilda should either sell him for the top ten pick or hold him to his agreement.

It's all down to how this came about. A pick between 5 and 10 would be fair for him if St Kilda want to keep him given what he will be paid elsewhere, but if they want him off the books to free up that cap space then the pick might be in the future second territory.
Holy moly what planet are you on? Hill would be worth a 4th rounder right now if all things are equal and Saints don’t pay his salary.
 
Holy moly what planet are you on? Hill would be worth a 4th rounder right now if all things are equal and Saints don’t pay his salary.
Not if the Saints don't want to lose him.

They deserve to get value for their money with service.
 

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Not if the Saints don't want to lose him.

They deserve to get value for their money with service.
Have you actually got any understanding of how list management works at all? He has not performed to a high level and is on elite level money why would a side pay elite level capital for a guy on elite level money who's performing at below average level
 
Have you actually got any understanding of how list management works at all? He has not performed to a high level and is on elite level money why would a side pay elite level capital for a guy on elite level money who's performing at below average level

He's already being paid that huge money and St Kilda have already paid the huge trade price for him.

If St Kilda want to retain him and this is another case of Hill being paid the big front loaded years of his deal and then looking to move to another front loaded deal - they have the right to bleed a club dry who wants to take him.

That's all I'm saying with that. He is contracted for two more years, St Kilda can ask for anything they want if they don't want to lose him.

The difference between him being a required player at St Kilda or not in his value in trade is massive.
 

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He's already being paid that huge money and St Kilda have already paid the huge trade price for him.

If St Kilda want to retain him and this is another case of Hill being paid the big front loaded years of his deal and then looking to move to another front loaded deal - they have the right to bleed a club dry who wants to take him.

That's all I'm saying with that. He is contracted for two more years, St Kilda can ask for anything they want if they don't want to lose him.

The difference between him being a required player at St Kilda or not in his value in trade is massive.
His contract is detrimental to St Kilda no one will pay anything for him if St Kilda deem him a required player then thats fine they keep him doesn't make him worth more then he is. His output is a 3rd rounder
 
His contract is detrimental to St Kilda no one will pay anything for him if St Kilda deem him a required player then thats fine they keep him doesn't make him worth more then he is. His output is a 3rd rounder

We agree on almost everything, it's just that part where the club he is contracted to for two years get to set the price and the price last set for when this exact player wanted to move after being paid his heavy front loaded years with two years remaining was a top ten pick.

Surely any other club now knows to offer him a four year deal structured like:
Year 1 - $550,000
Year 2 - $550,000
Year 3 - $150,000
Year 4 - $950,000

Because he isn't going to stick around for the second half of the deal anyway.
 

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We agree on almost everything, it's just that part where the club he is contracted to for two years get to set the price and the price last set for when this exact player wanted to move after being paid his heavy front loaded years with two years remaining was a top ten pick.

Surely any other club now knows to offer him a four year deal structured like:
Year 1 - $550,000
Year 2 - $550,000
Year 3 - $150,000
Year 4 - $950,000

Because he isn't going to stick around for the second half of the deal anyway.
He has to agree to that which he wouldn't he is owed 1.8 million over the next 2 years and will still get offers after. St Kilda can free up an extra 900k a year by getting rid of him. He has no trade value whatsoever in fact it is negative as St Kilda will have to either pay him to leave or pay someone to take on his contract
 
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He has to agree to that which he wouldn't he is owed 1.8 million over the next 2 years and will still get offers after. St Kilda can free up an extra 900k a year by getting rid of him. He has no trade value whatsoever in fact it is negative as St Kilda will have to either pay him to leave or pay someone to take on his contract
We don’t actually want him to leave, he seems as if he wants to leave himself. We aren’t looking at trading him so we hold the trade power over him. Can’t see anyone taking him tbh. Contract is too big
 

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We don’t actually want him to leave, he seems as if he wants to leave himself. We aren’t looking at trading him so we hold the trade power over him. Can’t see anyone taking him tbh. Contract is too big
If someone is willing to take on the contract it can get done for most likely a 3rd but there is no way anyone will give a top 10 pick for him even Dodoro wouldn't valu him that high
 
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