BRAD LLOYD... is he any good

[PurpleReign95]

From 2009-2016
How does Brad Lloyd's draft and trade period add up?
Not sure if he was in charge of the whole list at the start, but pretty sure he was in charge of drafting.
Im putting it out there.... he isnt actually that good! Happy for ppl to disagree

2009/10 off season

Traded to Fremantle

2009 National draft

4: Anthony Morabito (Peel Thunder)

20 Nathan Fyfe (Claremont)

36: Joel Houghton (Perth)

48: Jesse Crichton (North Launceston)

49: Dylan Roberton (Dandenong Stingrays)

52: Justin Bollenhagen (South Adelaide)

68: Pass

79: Greg Broughton (rookie elevation)[26]

Pre-season draft

3: Adam McPhee (Essendon)

Rookie draft:

8: Michael Barlow (Werribee)[27]

24: Alex Silvagni (Casey Scorpions)[27]

Traded away:

Brett Peake to St Kilda for selection 48[30]

Marcus Drum to Geelong for selection 49[30]

2010/11 off season[edit]

Traded to Fremantle

Peter Faulks and pick #61 from Gold Coast for pick #56[31]

Tendai Mzungu and pick #45 for pick #39[32]

Jonathon Griffin for pick #61[32]


2010 National draft

20: Jayden Pitt[33]

44: Viv Michie[33]

56: Josh Mellington[33]

72: Pass

87: Michael Barlow (rookie elevation)[33]

100: Matt de Boer (rookie elevation)[33]

109: Alex Silvagni (rookie elevation)[33]

112: Jay van Berlo (rookie elevation)[33]

Pre-season draft

6: Jack Anthony (Collingwood)[34]

Rookie draft:

20: Gavin Roberts (Norwood[35]

37: Nick Lower (Norwood[35]

53: Ben Bucovaz[35]

68: Tim Ruffles[35]

Traded away:

Chris Tarrant with pick #45 for #44 and #56[41]


2011/12 off season

Traded to Fremantle

Pick 20 for End of Round One Compensation Pick with Greater Western Sydney Giants[42]

Picks 29,58 & 71 for Picks 38 & 56 with Hawthorn[42]

2011 National draft

16: Tom Sheridan, Calder Cannons[43]

20: Hayden Crozier, Eastern Ranges[43]

29: Alex Forster, Norwood[43]

58: Lachie Neale, Glenelg[43]

71: Cameron Sutcliffe, Woodville-West Torrens[43]

83: Nick Lower, (rookie elevation)[44]

Pre-season draft

10: Zac Dawson, St Kilda[45]

Rookie draft:

8: Lee Spurr, Central District[45]

26: Haiden Schloithe, South Fremantle[45]

44: Sam Menegola, Hawthorn[45]

61: Jordan Wilson-King, North Adelaide[45]

75: Clancee Pearce, Fremantle (redrafted)[45]




2012/13 off season

Traded to Fremantle

Pick 36 for Greg Broughton and pick 58[51]

Free agent recruits:

Danyle Pearce (from Port Adelaide)[51]

2012 National draft

17: Josh Simpson, East Fremantle

36: Tanner Smith, North Ballarat Rebels

39: Max Duffy, East Fremantle

78: Clancee Pearce, (rookie elevation)[51]

93: Lee Spurr, (rookie elevation)[51]

Pre-season draft

8: Jack Hannath, Central District

14: Jesse Crichton, Fremantle

Rookie draft:

11: Matt Taberner, Murray Bushrangers

25: Alex Howson, East Fremantle

Category B Rookie selection

46: Craig Moller[51] (NSW AFL Scholarship)

Nick Lower[55]

Jesse Crichton[55] (redrafted)

Jack Anthony[56]

Gavin Roberts[54]

Jordan Wilson-King[54]

Uncontracted players/Free agents

Traded away:

Greg Broughton and Pick #58[51]


2013/14 off season

Traded to Fremantle

Pick 58 for Viv Michie (to Melbourne)[57]

Scott Gumbleton (from Essendon) for pick 55[58]

Free agent recruits:

Colin Sylvia (from Melbourne)[59]

2013 National draft

17: Michael Apeness, Eastern Ranges[60]

37: Alex Pearce, Ulverstone/Devonport[60]

58: Brady Grey, Burnie Dockers[60]

73: Matt Taberner, (rookie elevation)[61]

Pre-season draft

Rookie draft:

16: Michael Wood, Subiaco[62]

32: Tom Vandeleur, South Fremantle

47: Jacob Ballard, Northern Blues

Traded away:

Viv Michie[57]

Pick 55[58]


2014/15 off season

Traded to Fremantle

None

Free agent recruits:

None

2014 National draft

13: Lachie Weller (Southport/Broadbeach)[64]

34: Connor Blakely (Swan Districts)[64]

54: Ed Langdon (Sandringham Dragons)[64]

68: Josh Deluca (Subiaco)[64]

Rookie elevation:

None

Pre-season draft

None

Rookie draft:

13:Ethan Hughes (Swan Districts)[65]

31:Tanner Smith (redrafted)[65]

48:Sean Hurley (Kildare GAA, Ireland)[65]

Uncontracted players/Free agents lost


2015/16 off season

Traded to Fremantle

Harley Bennell (with #22 & #61)

Free agent recruits

None

2015 National draft

27: Darcy Tucker (North Ballarat Rebels, TAC Cup)[73]

38: Harley Balic (Sandringham Dragons, TAC Cup)[73]

55: Sam Collins (Box Hill Hawks, VFL)[73]

61: Shane Yarran (Subiaco, WAFL)[73]

Rookie elevation

Ethan Hughes[74]

Pre-season draft

Rookie draft

16: Matt Uebergang (Redland, NEAFL)

34: Ryan Nyhuis (Nightcliff, NTFL)

50: Anthony Morabito (redrafted)

60: Josh Deluca (redrafted)

Uncontracted players/Free agents lost

None

Traded away

Picks #16, #56 & 2016 2nd Round


2016/17 off season[edit]

Traded to Fremantle

Cam McCarthy (Greater Western Sydney) with picks #7, #35 & #73 for pick #3[77]

Bradley Hill (Hawthorn) for pick #23[78]

Joel Hamling (Western Bulldogs) with picks #40 & #63 for picks #35, #43 & #61[79]

Shane Kersten (Geelong) for pick #63[80]

Free agent recruits

2016 National draft

8: Griffin Logue (Swan Districts)[81]

38: Sean Darcy (Geelong Falcons)[81]

41: Brennan Cox (Woodville-West Torrens)[81]

66: Luke Ryan (Coburg)[81]

Rookie elevation

Pre-season draft


Rookie draft


3: Taylin Duman (Oakleigh Chargers)

21: Luke Strnadica (East Fremantle)

38: Brady Grey (Redrafted)

50: Josh Deluca (Redrafted)

Uncontracted players/Free agents lost

Chris Mayne (Collingwood), compensation: pick #23

Traded away

Pick #3 for McCarthy, picks #7, #35 & #73

Pick swap

Sent pick #73 and a 2017 second-round pick to Gold Coast, received picks #35, #71 and a 2017 fourth-round selection

 

[wayToGo_]

Do we really need another one of these threads?

 

[salim malik]

Oh look another chance to bash the hell out of Freo .

 

[UFO Tatsu]

divvy

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Oh look another chance to bash the hell out of Freo .

Well you might have a chance to revisit this thread after we announce our 5th pick

 

[Paracleet]

This idiot again

 

[tonygeeks]

Lots of effort there , not great reading is it. Does he still live in Melbourne ? Not a big fan of that if it's still the case. I'm firmly in the 'WA made' school of thought on where our recruiting focus should be. Seeing as how we could have gone the trade down and increase our hand in next years draft while possibly picking up 3 WA kids ( Naugton , Allen and Starcevic look good ) this year instead of going hard at a draft top heavy with Vico lads it's probably a bit of a litmus test this year regarding our overall drafting strategy. The strong ' best available wherever they're from ' crowd don't want to admit it and stress it's all about talent but I believe there are tangible advantages in having a list of predominantly local lads
Such as salary cap savings , keeping close to friends and family and a small but possibly significant ' play for the jumper ' increase. Anyway it's one of those ones where I'm happy to be wr.......wr ...... mistaken as I really really really want to see Freo win a bloody flag one day soon. We will give those doggies and tigers supporters a lesson in classy jubilation


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[Clems Knee]

Blah blah blah.
What does a long copy-paste list add to the question?
Who are you comparing him to? What are the success rates of other teams?

 

[maccamk]

Brad 'Tabener' Lloyd.... improving every year

 

[Wally Walpamur]

Every other team could put one of these threads up and argue their list manager is poor. You win some, you lose some, move on...

 

[FreoMonocle]

Lots of effort there , not great reading is it. Does he still live in Melbourne ? Not a big fan of that if it's still the case. I'm firmly in the 'WA made' school of thought on where our recruiting focus should be. Seeing as how we could have gone the trade down and increase our hand in next years draft while possibly picking up 3 WA kids ( Naugton , Allen and Starcevic look good ) this year instead of going hard at a draft top heavy with Vico lads it's probably a bit of a litmus test this year regarding our overall drafting strategy. The strong ' best available wherever they're from ' crowd don't want to admit it and stress it's all about talent but I believe there are tangible advantages in having a list of predominantly local lads
Such as salary cap savings , keeping close to friends and family and a small but possibly significant ' play for the jumper ' increase. Anyway it's one of those ones where I'm happy to be wr.......wr ...... mistaken as I really really really want to see Freo win a bloody flag one day soon. We will give those doggies and tigers supporters a lesson in classy jubilation

It's a job, the club would have made a decision that it can be done remotely. Probably helps in some ways to be in Melbourne, a lot of player agents, access to most other list managers for trading discussions, AFL hq etc. As for checking out local talent - it's a team effort, Lloyd won't be the one physically eyeballing every individual, but evaluating dossiers made by others.

We won't be ignoring locals because WA is too far away to check them out... And our first pick was Logue last year (a bold selection at the time methinks). But imho local for locals sake won't get us a flag - we made the right call in going Darcy over the local boy (English) for example, though with such a difference in draft picks it's probably not as simple as that and maybe more a matter of luck that Darcy was still available with our pick.

 

[Eski3]

Duck in this instance you are way way off. No idea where your hatred of Lloyd has come from but you haven't done the research

Richmond just won the flag so we'll compare the same results for them

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2009 2009 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 3 Dustin Martin
National 2 19 Benjamin Griffiths
National 3 35 David Astbury
National 3 44 Matthew Dea
National 4 51 Troy Taylor
National 5 67 Jeromey Webberley
National 5 71 Ben Nason
National 7 89 Rookie Promotion Robin Nahas
National 8 94 Rookie Promotion Andrew Browne
Pre-Season 1 2 Dylan Grimes
Rookie 1 7 Robert Hicks
Rookie 2 23 Pat Contin
Rookie 3 38 Relton Roberts
Rookie 4 51 Nicholas Westhoff
Rookie 5 62 Graham Polak
Rookie 6 70 International Jamie O'Reilly


Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2010
National 1 6 Reece Conca
National 2 30 Jake Batchelor
National 3 47 Bradley Helbig
National 3 51 Dean MacDonald
National 4 63 Tom Derickx
National 6 94 Rookie Promotion David Gourdis
Pre-Season 1 3 Bachar Houli
Rookie 1 11 Ben Jakobi
Rookie 2 28 Brad Miller
Rookie 3 45 Tom Hislop

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2011 2011 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 15 Brandon Ellis
National 1 26 Todd Elton
National 3 55 Matthew Arnot
Pre-Season 1 9 Brett O'Hanlon
Rookie 1 7 Addam Maric
Rookie 2 25 Ben Darrou
Rookie 3 43 Steven Verrier
Rookie 4 60 Gibson Turner
Rookie 5 74 Piva Wright
Rookie 7 90 John Heslin

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2012 2012 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 9 Nick Vlastuin
National 2 31 Kamdyn Mcintosh
National 2 33 Liam Mcbean
National 2 42 Matthew Mcdonough
Rookie 1 7 Ricky Petterd
Rookie 2 22 Sam Lonergan
Rookie 3 33 Orren Stephenson
Rookie 4 40 Cadeyn Williams

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2013 2013 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 12 Ben Lennon
National 3 50 Nathan Gordon
National 4 66 Sam Lloyd
National 7 93 Rookie Promotion Ricky Petterd
Rookie 1 11 Todd Banfield
Rookie 2 27 Anthony Miles
Rookie 3 42 Matt Thomas

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2014 2014 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 12 Corey Ellis
National 2 33 Connor Menadue
National 3 52 Nathan Drummond
National 4 67 Daniel Butler
National 5 77 Reece McKenzie
Rookie 1 11 Jayden Short
Rookie 2 29 Jason Castagna
Rookie 3 46 Kane Lambert
Rookie 4 61 Matthew Arnot
Rookie 5 68 3-Year Non-Reg Ivan Soldo

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2015 2015 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 15 Daniel Rioli
National 3 50 Oleg Markov
National 5 67 Nathan Broad
Rookie 1 12 Callum Moore
Rookie 2 30 Mabior Chol
Rookie 3 47 Adam Marcon

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2016 2016 AFL Draft Summary
National 2 29 Shai Bolton
National 3 53 Jack Graham
National 5 72 Academy Ryan Garthwaite
Rookie 1 6 Tyson Stengle


Their drafting history is pretty much the same. Some good drafts recently, a few good players scattered throughout and lots and lots and lots of spuds. You will find it is the same for pretty much every club.

 

[BigKep]

We're actually quite good at utilising our later picks, it's the early picks we've struggled with. Players like Pitt, Apeness, and Morabito we can consider ourselves unlucky with given their injury history. Dare I say if either of those three stayed fit they'd be best 22 players.

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[tonygeeks]

It's a job, the club would have made a decision that it can be done remotely. Probably helps in some ways to be in Melbourne, a lot of player agents, access to most other list managers for trading discussions, AFL hq etc. As for checking out local talent - it's a team effort, Lloyd won't be the one physically eyeballing every individual, but evaluating dossiers made by others.

We won't be ignoring locals because WA is too far away to check them out... And our first pick was Logue last year (a bold selection at the time methinks). But imho local for locals sake won't get us a flag - we made the right call in going Darcy over the local boy (English) for example, though with such a difference in draft picks it's probably not as simple as that and maybe more a matter of luck that Darcy was still available with our pick.

Darcy over English is waaaay to early to call especially as English was about as AFL ready as me. I like the big shush don’t get me wrong and he was a very good pick up at the price , little bit concerned about his centre square work as opposed to his around the ground ruckwork which looks about as good as I’ve seen from a young ruckman. I think we may need a leaping type fwd/ruck that is a better centre square option as soon as we can find one ( Apness or Strdnica??? may help)


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[SHill Shall]

IMO Lloyd has improved out of sight and has particularly excelled in the last 2 year’s trading and last year’s drafting. Fingers crossed for this year’s drafting. If he nails it his last two year’s work will have set us up for an amazing next 5 years.

 

[meima]

IMO Lloyd has improved out of sight and has particularly excelled in the last 2 year’s trading and last year’s drafting. Fingers crossed for this year’s drafting. If he nails it his last two year’s work will have set us up for an amazing next 5 years.

I an not sure 2015 drafting is any good. So Last one year.
Tucker - tick
Collins -x
yarren -X

Rookie
ueber -x
nyhuis - half tick ( only extend for one year)

 

[SHill Shall]

I an not sure 2015 drafting is any good. So Last one year.
Tucker - tick
Collins -x
yarren -X

Rookie
ueber -x
nyhuis - half tick ( only extend for one year)

I didn’t offer comment with respect to 2015; either trading or drafting.

 

[beetz]

We're actually quite good at utilising our later picks, it's the early picks we've struggled with. Players like Pitt, Apeness, and Morabito we can consider ourselves unlucky with given their injury history. Dare I say if either of those three stayed fit they'd be best 22 players.

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I'd say it's more lucky that our late picks have worked out rather than utilising them well. If we could have nailed our early picks more often we'd be a premiership contender.

 

[UFO Tatsu]

I an not sure 2015 drafting is any good. So Last one year.
Tucker - tick
Collins -x
yarren -X

Rookie
ueber -x
nyhuis - half tick ( only extend for one year)

In isolation it doesn't look good but you need to put the actual draft number

#27 - Tucker - tick
#38 - Balic - x
#55 - Collins - x
#61 - Yarran - x

Rookie
#16 - Uber - x
#34 - Nyhuis - 1/2 tick

Considering that we our first pick was only #27, I have no issues with the picks. Maybe more due diligence about Balic's wrist but at the end of the day, he didn't leave because of the wrist. For every Neale, you are going to get 2 that do not make it at that range.

 

[Clems Knee]

I'd say it's more lucky that our late picks have worked out rather than utilising them well. If we could have nailed our early picks more often we'd be a premiership contender.

Easier to nail early picks, because there is a consensus that those players are the best. If you don’t nail them then it’s mostly down to bad luck.
Recruiters earn their money by nailing the late picks. That takes research and the ability to see something no other recruiter can.
In other words, pretty much the opposite of what you said.

 

[westy1]

Duck in this instance you are way way off. No idea where your hatred of Lloyd has come from but you haven't done the research

Richmond just won the flag so we'll compare the same results for them

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2009 2009 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 3 Dustin Martin
National 2 19 Benjamin Griffiths
National 3 35 David Astbury
National 3 44 Matthew Dea
National 4 51 Troy Taylor
National 5 67 Jeromey Webberley
National 5 71 Ben Nason
National 7 89 Rookie Promotion Robin Nahas
National 8 94 Rookie Promotion Andrew Browne
Pre-Season 1 2 Dylan Grimes
Rookie 1 7 Robert Hicks
Rookie 2 23 Pat Contin
Rookie 3 38 Relton Roberts
Rookie 4 51 Nicholas Westhoff
Rookie 5 62 Graham Polak
Rookie 6 70 International Jamie O'Reilly


Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2010
National 1 6 Reece Conca
National 2 30 Jake Batchelor
National 3 47 Bradley Helbig
National 3 51 Dean MacDonald
National 4 63 Tom Derickx
National 6 94 Rookie Promotion David Gourdis
Pre-Season 1 3 Bachar Houli
Rookie 1 11 Ben Jakobi
Rookie 2 28 Brad Miller
Rookie 3 45 Tom Hislop

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2011 2011 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 15 Brandon Ellis
National 1 26 Todd Elton
National 3 55 Matthew Arnot
Pre-Season 1 9 Brett O'Hanlon
Rookie 1 7 Addam Maric
Rookie 2 25 Ben Darrou
Rookie 3 43 Steven Verrier
Rookie 4 60 Gibson Turner
Rookie 5 74 Piva Wright
Rookie 7 90 John Heslin

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2012 2012 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 9 Nick Vlastuin
National 2 31 Kamdyn Mcintosh
National 2 33 Liam Mcbean
National 2 42 Matthew Mcdonough
Rookie 1 7 Ricky Petterd
Rookie 2 22 Sam Lonergan
Rookie 3 33 Orren Stephenson
Rookie 4 40 Cadeyn Williams

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2013 2013 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 12 Ben Lennon
National 3 50 Nathan Gordon
National 4 66 Sam Lloyd
National 7 93 Rookie Promotion Ricky Petterd
Rookie 1 11 Todd Banfield
Rookie 2 27 Anthony Miles
Rookie 3 42 Matt Thomas

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2014 2014 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 12 Corey Ellis
National 2 33 Connor Menadue
National 3 52 Nathan Drummond
National 4 67 Daniel Butler
National 5 77 Reece McKenzie
Rookie 1 11 Jayden Short
Rookie 2 29 Jason Castagna
Rookie 3 46 Kane Lambert
Rookie 4 61 Matthew Arnot
Rookie 5 68 3-Year Non-Reg Ivan Soldo

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2015 2015 AFL Draft Summary
National 1 15 Daniel Rioli
National 3 50 Oleg Markov
National 5 67 Nathan Broad
Rookie 1 12 Callum Moore
Rookie 2 30 Mabior Chol
Rookie 3 47 Adam Marcon

Richmond Tigers AFL Draft Picks at the end of Season 2016 2016 AFL Draft Summary
National 2 29 Shai Bolton
National 3 53 Jack Graham
National 5 72 Academy Ryan Garthwaite
Rookie 1 6 Tyson Stengle


Their drafting history is pretty much the same. Some good drafts recently, a few good players scattered throughout and lots and lots and lots of spuds. You will find it is the same for pretty much every club.

Still doesn’t feel right to me
Using Richmond as a yardstick for success

 

[mightymouse75]

12 & 13 were abysmal. He is improving. This year will be the test

 

[mightymouse75]

Or was last year just a fluke.

 

[Ysaye]

Or was last year just a fluke.

Picking Darcy who was written off by many as only a 50% chance to get selected (The popular phantom drafters didn't have him in and Quigley who is normally the most astute said he that was a massive mistake) in the National draft gets a big tick for actual skill of talent scouting. That bit is not a fluke and that is why we have got "more than the pick value" on a number of picks in the 20s - 70s over the last few years.

However, where you pick people also should be based around where others would pick, because values of players differ from club to club. For example, whilst there was no interest in Darcy, I reckon there was interest in Cox between our 2nd and 3rd picks. We could have gone Cox first, Ryan second and Darcy last pick IMO and that would have been an equally if not more safe way to get the same set of players. So I am saying we were lucky Cox fell to us. But pyschologically to a certain degree you have to back yourself in to pull off a Darcy type selection; otherwise you will be second guessing what the other clubs are doing.

 

[Clems Knee]

Picking Darcy who was written off by many as only a 50% chance to get selected (The popular phantom drafters didn't have him in and Quigley who is normally the most astute said he that was a massive mistake) in the National draft gets a big tick for actual skill of talent scouting. That bit is not a fluke and that is why we have got "more than the pick value" on a number of picks in the 20s - 70s over the last few years.

However, where you pick people also should be based around where others would pick, because values of players differ from club to club. For example, whilst there was no interest in Darcy, I reckon there was interest in Cox between our 2nd and 3rd picks. We could have gone Cox first, Ryan second and Darcy last pick IMO and that would have been an equally if not more safe way to get the same set of players. So I am saying we were lucky Cox fell to us. But pyschologically to a certain degree you have to back yourself in to pull off a Darcy type selection; otherwise you will be second guessing what the other clubs are doing.

I was under the impression that Geelong were also keen on Darcy, hence the high pick.