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Marty Whitelaw said:
Thanks for the vote of confidence! If only. Geez it’d be nice to work for an organisation that I actually believed in and cared about! I’d be so driven to help the club to a flag that it wouldn’t feel like work at all!
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That's exactly what we want why don't you contact the HR person at the club and put your hand up and get your MS Excel skills up so you can keep control over the Total Player Payments and contract expiry.
 
Arcassius said:
I get that. But your maths has a flaw. That 20% of players that come from WA are draftable by 100% of clubs. Why wouldn't you base your people where the majority of players to draft are located.

We don't have exclusivity over WA players so there's zero advantage in being based here.
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You're essentially blindly following Hotelling's law - the market is elsewhere, we must move to meet the market. But by having the head recruiter based in Victoria, he's not privy to any information the 10 Victorian clubs don't already have, in fact he will always have less information than them because the incentives of the people in junior and local footy in Victoria don't align with those of a WA based club.

Our recruitment team must be oriented around WA, because we are more likely to get inside information from WA based local clubs and schools than anywhere else. We should still have strong head recruiters in Victoria and other states, but with the knowledge that because coaches and managers of suburban and junior clubs in those states won't want their kids playing in WA, they won't give us the inside running.
 

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its free real estate said:
You're essentially blindly following Hotelling's law - the market is elsewhere, we must move to meet the market. But by having the head recruiter based in Victoria, he's not privy to any information the 10 Victorian clubs don't already have, in fact he will always have less information than them because the incentives of the people in junior and local footy in Victoria don't align with those of a WA based club.

Our recruitment team must be oriented around WA, because we are more likely to get inside information from WA based local clubs and schools than anywhere else. We should still have strong head recruiters in Victoria and other states, but with the knowledge that because coaches and managers of suburban and junior clubs in those states won't want their kids playing in WA, they won't give us the inside running.
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The AFL still pay a finders fee to the club that young talent passes to the AFL from I believe, so is it not in the best interests of that coach to advise any club that will take their fringe (I'm assuming fringe because others will be already well known, it's hard to hide on a footy field) player?

I'm trying to understand the motivation of a Victorian school coach, who will see reward for their player being drafted, not being forthcoming when talking to a recruiting manager from interstate. I can understand not telling clubs about a love of the glass pipe though.
 
Deathly said:
So who wants to get some predictions in on what bullshit story 6PR will make up regarding this?
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Prospective players parents contacting Brad Lloyd because they don't want their son to play under Lyon and Bond. Advanced negotiations on players such as Lobb now look shaky. This all from HackDorn.

Plus the Clincher...Freo should get Player Manager Colin Young as head of recruitment!! Basil quite rightly said, "so he is happy with the pay cut"

Tosser
 
nurries said:
Prospective players parents contacting Brad Lloyd because they don't want their son to play under Lyon and Bond. Advanced negotiations on players such as Lobb now look shaky. This all from HackDorn.

Plus the Clincher...Freo should get Player Manager Colin Young as head of recruitment!! Basil quite rightly said, "so he is happy with the pay cut"

Tosser
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For real?
 
Hmm, i think both of you have made valid points.

If it doesn't matter that Lloyd was based in Vic because he has a network of recruiters in WA to report on the local scene, surely the reverse could be true. It wouldn't be an issue being based in WA because he would still have a network in Vic.

I think FreeRealEstate is right about the VFL/TAC/etc favouring the Vic clubs. It might be subtle/slight but it'll be there. And conversely I think there could be a subtle advantage to be had with having the closest possible relationships with the WA clubs.

We'd still have eyes all over the Vic scene and its only a short flight over if needed.
 
Tayl0r said:
The AFL still pay a finders fee to the club that young talent passes to the AFL from I believe, so is it not in the best interests of that coach to advise any club that will take their fringe (I'm assuming fringe because others will be already well known, it's hard to hide on a footy field) player?

I'm trying to understand the motivation of a Victorian school coach, who will see reward for their player being drafted, not being forthcoming when talking to a recruiting manager from interstate. I can understand not telling clubs about a love of the glass pipe though.
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Think that "finders fee" (AFL draft fees) now goes directly to the WAFC who I believe have taken control of the States Colt's system. WAFL clubs get to keep the fee for mature age draftees.

I think it's a positive for the Recruitment manager to be based in WA. Don't look at the Weagles as I think they've done worse than us for missing WA talent and promoting Vic spuds.
 
Tayl0r said:
The AFL still pay a finders fee to the club that young talent passes to the AFL from I believe, so is it not in the best interests of that coach to advise any club that will take their fringe (I'm assuming fringe because others will be already well known, it's hard to hide on a footy field) player?

I'm trying to understand the motivation of a Victorian school coach, who will see reward for their player being drafted, not being forthcoming when talking to a recruiting manager from interstate. I can understand not telling clubs about a love of the glass pipe though.
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Those finders fees don't differ per club they are recruited to do they? If there is no specific incentive to tell any club over another about a hotshot junior that is flying under the radar, then that information is equally weighted towards all clubs.

The coach of Assumption College might end up telling all 18 clubs about the next Barlow, but he's going to be telling the Vic-based clubs first. We'll be one of the last cabs off the rank.
 
nurries said:
Prospective players parents contacting Brad Lloyd because they don't want their son to play under Lyon and Bond. Advanced negotiations on players such as Lobb now look shaky. This all from HackDorn.

Plus the Clincher...Freo should get Player Manager Colin Young as head of recruitment!! Basil quite rightly said, "so he is happy with the pay cut"

Tosser
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I like the fact that Basil is starting to get a bit of bite.
 

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DannyTheDoorman in answer to your question, my information that there was a strategic review of list management and that 3 members of the Board were involved was gleaned from numerous published sources such as the following:

17 May 2016
Caroline Wilson

Rosich revealed that the club was nearing the end of an extensive list management review in the recognition improvement was required in that area. The club has brought in founding captain and recently retired football director Ben Allan to help oversee the list review which will come to a conclusion next month. Rosich, Lyon, football boss Bond, list manager Brad Lloyd, along with three club directors, have contributed to a new strategic list plan. "We felt our next level of improvement was in list management," said Rosich. "Prior to the season, we felt that there needed to be a heightened focus on the list. Clearly we're all disappointed and surprised with our current situation, we still thought we'd be in contention this year but that hasn't happened."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/draft-picks-not-priority-for-dockers-20160516-gowjxy.html

How Rosich could say with a straight face "we were all surprised with our situation" in 2016 when it was clear to average Joes like me long before then that the state of the list was dire compared to the juggernauts of the competition is just stunning. He can't possibly have thought that as I believe he's an intelligent man. I remember thinking at the time that the only reason we were delaying the rebuild must be because we owed it to Pav to keep trying for a flag so long as he wanted to hang around.
 
Crippa said:
DannyTheDoorman in answer to your question, my information that there was a strategic review of list management and that 3 members of the Board were involved was gleaned from numerous published sources such as the following:

17 May 2016
Caroline Wilson

Rosich revealed that the club was nearing the end of an extensive list management review in the recognition improvement was required in that area. The club has brought in founding captain and recently retired football director Ben Allan to help oversee the list review which will come to a conclusion next month. Rosich, Lyon, football boss Bond, list manager Brad Lloyd, along with three club directors, have contributed to a new strategic list plan. "We felt our next level of improvement was in list management," said Rosich. "Prior to the season, we felt that there needed to be a heightened focus on the list. Clearly we're all disappointed and surprised with our current situation, we still thought we'd be in contention this year but that hasn't happened."

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/draft-picks-not-priority-for-dockers-20160516-gowjxy.html

How Rosich could say with a straight face "we were all surprised with our situation" in 2016 when it was clear to average Joes like me long before then that the state of the list was dire compared to the juggernauts of the competition is just stunning. He can't possibly have thought that as I believe he's an intelligent man. I remember thinking at the time that the only reason we were delaying the rebuild must be because we owed it to Pav to keep trying for a flag so long as he wanted to hang around.
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They only thought we were still good before the 2016 season I think. Whilst the cracks were definitely there (squiggle didn't rate us at all) and some of us thought 2016 might be tough, I remember most of this board tipping us to smash the Dogs at Etihad in round 1. So clearly plenty hadn't noticed yet. After 4 or 5 rounds you'd have to have been blind to not recognise it for what it was.

Every club seems to overrate themselves internally. Port the best current example. Think they are genuinely in the mix but are miles off. Could change next year I guess but I bet internally they probably still think they are a flag chance this year.

The way Chris Scott talks you'd think they are 18-2 going into the last two rounds. They are one upset (ie us rolling them this week) from not playing finals yet he talks about finals like it is a formality.
 
nurries said:
Prospective players parents contacting Brad Lloyd because they don't want their son to play under Lyon and Bond. Advanced negotiations on players such as Lobb now look shaky. This all from HackDorn.

Plus the Clincher...Freo should get Player Manager Colin Young as head of recruitment!! Basil quite rightly said, "so he is happy with the pay cut"

Tosser
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Also you didn't mention that what Hack says is so truthful that Fremantle will roundly deny it and come up with a strategy to defame and belittle Kim Hagdorn!
 
stax on the mull said:
Also you didn't mention that what Hack says is so truthful that Fremantle will roundly deny it and come up with a strategy to defame and belittle Kim Hagdorn!
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You are right, basically said if Freo deny what I am saying, don't listen to them as they are all lying
 

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its free real estate said:
I was looking back at the 2011 draft and ...

JESUS ******* CHRIST.

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Man your profile picture and claremont serial killer stuff is the biggest lol
Also this is pretty fingered
considering we picked tommy t train (sheridan) and Hayden 'Tony' Crozier pick 16 and 19 as well
 
stax on the mull said:
After two years. Injured both years. Just retired this year from SANFL club Norwood because of continuing issues injuries.
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Being delisted after the minimum two year contract for draftees expires says a lot, even with injuries. From memory Lyon played him in the thrown game against St Kilda in the last round of 2013 and was so unimpressed he marked him for immediate punting.
 
its free real estate said:
Being delisted after the minimum two year contract for draftees expires says a lot, even with injuries. From memory Lyon played him in the thrown game against St Kilda in the last round of 2013 and was so unimpressed he marked him for immediate punting.
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He played a WAFL game Round 21 where he was injured in the first half and missed the following week then was selected in the AFL side.
 
stax on the mull said:
He played a WAFL game Round 21 where he was injured in the first half and missed the following week then was selected in the AFL side.
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OUT:
  • Michael Johnson (rested),
  • Chris Mayne (Omitted),
  • Nathan Fyfe (Rested),
  • David Mundy (rested),
  • Zac Clarke (Rested),
  • Hayden Ballantyne (rested),
  • Michael Walters (Knee),
  • Lee Spurr (rested),
  • Zac Dawson (rested),
  • Nick Suban (Hamstring),
  • Stephen Hill (Hamstring)
 
Tayl0r said:
OUT:
  • Michael Johnson (rested),
  • Chris Mayne (Omitted),
  • Nathan Fyfe (Rested),
  • David Mundy (rested),
  • Zac Clarke (Rested),
  • Hayden Ballantyne (rested),
  • Michael Walters (Knee),
  • Lee Spurr (rested),
  • Zac Dawson (rested),
  • Nick Suban (Hamstring),
  • Stephen Hill (Hamstring)
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I'm assuming its the players that didn't play vs St Kilda. I'm just stating the Forster was picked to play against St Kilda when his preparation was a half of football two weeks prior in the WAFL for Peel vs Sth Fremantle
 

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