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Originally posted by jc67
I still reckon that we should go after Ottens AND their best pick!
Mcleod + Hudson + second round + Salary % for macca
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Look some things will not happen.
The clubs franchise player will not be traded - end of story.

I would be amazed if Hudson were traded:eek:
However would be happy to offer Biglands and Burton as a package deal, and believe it could get over the line.

This depends on Clarkes decision of coarse, but I believe Adelaide can talk him into another season.
 
Originally posted by jc67
I still reckon that we should go after Ottens AND their best pick!
Mcleod + Hudson + second round + Salary % for macca
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You can give up on that dream right now because McLeod NEVER ever be traded and nor should he. Some people turn real fast on their players.:rolleyes: :mad:
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
You can give up on that dream right now because McLeod NEVER ever be traded and nor should he. Some people turn real fast on their players.:rolleyes: :mad:
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Not a fast turn at all.
just wasn't posting in 99.
Anyway its only a concept ( get their picks and NOT give away ours)
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18

Forgot to mention that Cornesy said that if we got Ottens he would tell Biglands that he would trial him as a FB for the entire year and his job would be to play on big strong forwards. I don't think we have anything to lose if we do get Ottens. I don't think finals will be on the agenda next year if we are fair dinkum about where this club is heading.
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I'm sorry but Biglands physical size leads us to believe he's something he's not.
He's just a very average footballer that we keep making excuses for, finding new roles for on the sole basis of his size :(

Play Parker, Mcgregor, Krueger, or even Smith at FB, but Roo gets more stats in a match than Biglands gets in a season.
why
Because he can read the game and find the ball.

When is the penny going to fall :confused:
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
offer Biglands and Burton as a package deal,
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Terrific deal A win win. But I dont think we would get their 1st round with that maybe 2nd?
 
Originally posted by jc67
Not a fast turn at all.
just wasn't posting in 99.
Anyway its only a concept ( get their picks and NOT give away ours)
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You have to think about the fabric of a new club, the tradition and history you try and create for the future.

Getting rid of your Franchise player, idol to 10's of thousands of kids, and a dual Norm Smith medalist on the basis of one average season for a opportunistic draft pick is just plain stupid :(
 
Originally posted by Scotty's_Girl
I would've thought that Ken McGregor would've been in that category as well.
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Ken is a very reliable workhorse, and is definately tradeable.
 
Originally posted by jc67
Terrific deal A win win. But I dont think we would get their 1st round with that maybe 2nd?
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My suggestion would be Biglands and Burton in return for Ottens. Think it would get over the line.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
You have to think about the fabric of a new club, the tradition and history you try and create for the future.

Getting rid of your Franchise player, idol to 10's of thousands of kids, and a dual Norm Smith medalist on the basis of one average season for a opportunistic draft pick is just plain stupid :(
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Totally agree.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Ken is a very reliable workhorse, and is definately tradeable.
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He is only tradeable if the right offer is on the table and both of them said that. Both of them are leaning towards keeping him unless the offer is too good to refuse.;)

You won't get rid off him that easy :)
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
You have to think about the fabric of a new club, the tradition and history you try and create for the future.

Getting rid of your Franchise player, idol to 10's of thousands of kids, and a dual Norm Smith medalist on the basis of one average season for a opportunistic draft pick is just plain stupid :(
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I don't think his season has been that bad:confused: . Again What I am trying to get across is we should be getting more picks and not giving ours away. (not at all costs)
The kids get over that sort of thing pretty quick. Remember the player cull at the end of 96? they were also icons of the club.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
He is only tradeable if the right offer is on the table and both of them said that. Both of them are leaning towards keeping him unless the offer is too good to refuse.;)

You won't get rid off him that easy :)
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Mcgregor for Ottens - wet your appetite;)
 

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Originally posted by jc67

The kids get over that sort of thing pretty quick. Remember the player cull at the end of 96? they were also icons of the club.
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Think it is different if your players are "retired" off against their wishes V trading a Franchise player to another club and seeing him play against you.

Wasn't in Adelaide at the time, but do you think the Modra trade was good for the AFC (not playing side)
 
Originally posted by jc67
I don't think his season has been that bad:confused: . Again What I am trying to get across is we should be getting more picks and not giving ours away. (not at all costs)
The kids get over that sort of thing pretty quick. Remember the player cull at the end of 96? they were also icons of the club.
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Yes but NONE of those icons were anywhere near the status that McLeod is in.

Quite frankly Adelaide wouldn't trame MLeod for pick 1 and 2. Picks can be so overrated. There are as many failures as there are success stories. Trading McLeod would achieve nothing because with or without McLeod those youngsters will take time to develop and its in clubs best interest that they develop alongside McLeod rather than without him.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Think it is different if your players are "retired" off against their wishes V trading a Franchise player to another club and seeing him play against you.

Wasn't in Adelaide at the time, but do you think the Modra trade was good for the AFC (not playing side)
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McGunneiss would have played for the swans if not for mismanagment and still got some pay out of em.
Bone was spent
Jars won a magery ( he would have got another AFL gig if he was prepared to move)
As for tone,,,, the kid's got over it, I am still anoyed that we didn't get enough for him!
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Not a chance.

McGregor is worth to us his weight in gold.
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I'd have to say on that basis you don't put much value in Ottens;)
 

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Originally posted by Stiffy_18
As much as I love Stenglein, this trade has done more damage to the club. Morda should never ever have been traded.
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Praise the lord. The Modra-trade was an absolute abomination. It was the beginning of the end of our dominance of the league and also the harbinger of Blight's mental ******ation to come.

Mods kicked 71 goals in 20 games for Fremantle in 1999 - imagine what he could've kicked for us with a real midfield supplying him the ball? We sure as sh1t would have finished higher than 13th with Mods in the side.
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
As much as I love Stenglein, this trade has done more damage to the club. Morda should never ever have been traded.
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Yes I would agree.
Did we get Stenglein with the Modra pick?
 
Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Yes but NONE of those icons were anywhere near the status that McLeod is in.
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??????????????????????????? How old are you ????????????????????
They were the icons alright :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
I'm a bit lost for words
Maybe because we (most of us ) are football pureists we can be blinded by the fact that 90% of supporters arn't. Sh1t there are people that I see at Games that have No14 on their jumper.

Make no mistake The players that were culled in 96 were AT LEAST as big (in name and public perception) as Macca.
 
Originally posted by jc67
Make no mistake The players that were culled in 96 were AT LEAST as big (in name and public perception) as Macca.
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Bigger.

One-team town.

Remember after our finals tilt in 1993? Modra couldn't walk two steps in this town without getting mobbed. A. Jarman, T. McGuinness and C. McDermott were the rest of the Beatles.
 
Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I'd have to say on that basis you don't put much value in Ottens;)
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As I have said before Ottens should be an opportunity not a priority. Personally, I see Ottens as a great risk for 2 reasons:

1 - Richmond will ask a lot more than he is worth
2 - he is a big gamble for a price that he is likely to come at.

Ottens has ****loads more potential than McGregor BUT potential doesn't equal performance. Ever since his AA year Ottens has not been the player that he was promising to be and in fact has probably gone backwards. Maybe change of scenery will do him good but maybe is not good enough reason for us to trade away a lot for him. Quite frankly on his current form Ottens is not worth anywhere near 1st round draft pick. Stats can be deceiving and they are in this case.

As I said Ottens at the right price would be worth a punt but there is no way in hell I would trade McGregor for Ottens because Kenny is putting the runs on the board and you know that you would be getting a player who will play well in every game. Ottens ATM is a very much a mixed bag.
 

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