Bradley CHF?

[kelvin_sheedy]

Can we develop Bradley into a good CHF?

Reports on the weekend suggest he dominated playing forward for Bendigo taking about 15 marks.

He can read the play well and find it, can mark the ball, has a good motor and is very awkward to match up with his height.

His kicking skills aren't great but there have been CHF's like Stewie Loewe and Earl Spalding that weren't great kicks either.

What do you guys think?

 

[Jono B]

Can we develop Bradley into a good CHF?

Reports on the weekend suggest he dominated playing forward for Bendigo taking about 15 marks.

He can read the play well and find it, can mark the ball, has a good motor and is very awkward to match up with his height.

His kicking skills aren't great but there have been CHF's like Stewie Loewe and Earl Spalding that weren't great kicks either.

What do you guys think?

I could see this as his role but there is 5 problems with this: Lloyd, Lucas, Neagle, Johns, Gumbleton. There is more than enough key forwards on the list.

 

[RED AND BLACK SOLDIER]

half forward is the only position i can ever see him playing (on our list anyways).I can remember that game against the Brisbane lions where he played there and kicked 4, ever since then, ive thought if he's in the team, he should play Half foward, any other position and he shouldn't be in the team.

 

[7zark7]

As long as he is nowhere near the backline giving away goals.

 

[ant555]

Dont be stealing my ideas
Have been saying for ages he is more of a forward than anything else.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Trade bait. Kepler and Bolton for Judd. Simple.

 

[Crave]

He gets found out as soon as he gets promoted into the seniors. Ive all but written him off.

 

[ant555]

He gets found out as soon as he gets promoted into the seniors. Ive all but written him off.

The only half a game he has played up forward in the seniors (Brisbane at the TD last year) he looked good as well.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

How about Lloyd and Lucas as the two KPP's and Kelper roaming around.

He would provide more moblity and second efforts and get more of the ball than either Johns or Laycock.

When Lloyd comes back I just don't see a role for Johns.

I haven't given up on Kep yet.

ps. sorry for stealing the ideas of others but I thought it would be a worthwhile discussion.

 

[monty1104]

Johns is way ahead of Bradley as a forward. And as for second efforts, we already have Davey and Monfries for when the ball hits the deck. Bradley would just confise everything.

 

[Albo's opinion]

Trade bait. Kepler and Bolton for Judd. Simple.

thankyou. i havent had a good laugh for a while
why would west coast want the worst 2 players on your list? and why would they give you judd for them? here's an idea trade them to richmond for the no.1 pick, richo, brown and deledio.

 

[ant555]

Johns is way ahead of Bradley as a forward. And as for second efforts, we already have Davey and Monfries for when the ball hits the deck. Bradley would just confise everything.

From the way Bradley lead yesterday i would say he could be more effective than Johns but i would like to see Bradley playing at least 4 weeks with Bendigo in the same role before selecting him.
As far as a mobile half forward goes Bradley has it all over Johns .

 

[ant555]

thankyou. i havent had a good laugh for a while
why would west coast want the worst 2 players on your list? and why would they give you judd for them? here's an idea trade them to richmond for the no.1 pick, richo, brown and deledio.

And why would you be foolish enough to think it was a genuine trade idea

If we added Dyson , 4 mars bars , an Ice Coffee Big M and a picture of a Cow to the Bolton and Bradley deal we would land Judd

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Johns is way ahead of Bradley as a forward. And as for second efforts, we already have Davey and Monfries for when the ball hits the deck. Bradley would just confise everything.

I wouldn't say Johns is ahead of Bradley. Bradley has kicked 4 goals in a game. What has Johns done?

Bradley can find the pill and maybe provide that option and run where the defence and midfield can hit a target instead of always going to Lucas.

Thinking about this a bit more I think our best forward line this year could well be Lloyd, Lucas, Kepler, Davey, Monfries and MJ/Jetta/other youngster.

 

[monty1104]

I wouldn't say Johns is ahead of Bradley. Bradley has kicked 4 goals in a game. What has Johns done?

Bradley can find the pill and maybe provide that option and run where the defence and midfield can hit a target instead of always going to Lucas.

Thinking about this a bit more I think our best forward line this year could well be Lloyd, Lucas, Kepler, Davey, Monfries and MJ/Jetta/other youngster.

WOW, Bradley has gone good in one game. If you are seriously saying that Bradley is better thatn Johns then you are seriously misguided. Every time Johns gets the ball, he knows what to do with it. Bradley looks around, shits his pants and then turns it over! Johns can provide direction and structure in our forward line. Bradley would just make everything break down because he would just be chasing a cheap kick instead of playing a team game. And as for work rate, Johns is by far better that Bradley, infact he is one of the best in our team. He just continues to make leads, dummy leads, and then leads back the other way. In the first qtr of ANZAC day Bradley stood on the HFF for about 10 minutes and barely moved.

 

[ant555]

WOW, Bradley has gone good in one game. If you are seriously saying that Bradley is better thatn Johns then you are seriously misguided. Every time Johns gets the ball, he knows what to do with it. Bradley looks around, shits his pants and then turns it over! Johns can provide direction and structure in our forward line. Bradley would just make everything break down because he would just be chasing a cheap kick instead of playing a team game. And as for work rate, Johns is by far better that Bradley, infact he is one of the best in our team. He just continues to make leads, dummy leads, and then leads back the other way. In the first qtr of ANZAC day Bradley stood on the HFF for about 10 minutes and barely moved.

I suggest you have a closer look at Bradley as what you are saying about him isnt totaly correct. He doesnt make the same mistakes in the forward half . When he is kicking it deep into the forward line he generall makes good choices. When he"s played forward for a quarter or more he provides good leads and a lot of second and third efforts.Take a look at his second half against the Lions at the Dome last year and dont just use one poor game and 10 minutes where he was totally out of sorts. Yes he does crap himself when the pressure is on in the defencive half. He is not a natural defender.

As for Johns i am a huge fan but what you say about CJ's leading is also not totally correct. Yes he provides a ot of leads (and gets ingnored a bit at times) but he often leads too early or to the wrong spot. The biggest weakness he has in his game is his fitness base is not good enough to provide continual second and third leads. More often than not he has to jog back to position.This will get better over time as will his leading but he has some work to do yet in that area.

 

[Bombs Away]

half forward is the only position i can ever see him playing (on our list anyways).I can remember that game against the Brisbane lions where he played there and kicked 4, ever since then, ive thought if he's in the team, he should play Half foward, any other position and he shouldn't be in the team.

That is the right thinking, the problem is that our forward line is starting to get top heavy and he really needs his confidence, like others here I would like to see him dominate at Bendigo for 3-4 more weeks if possible (as long as we get no injuries to 1's players).

 

[DaSawx]

It's not a bad problem to have, I've liked to see more of Bradley in the FL or as a HFF.

Drop Laycock if Hille is right to go, give Johns another game or two for now as he hasn't looked too bad, especially with Lloyd coming off an injury, while Bradley is there for injury or can replace Johns if he keeps his form up.

 

[monty1104]

I suggest you have a closer look at Bradley as what you are saying about him isnt totaly correct. He doesnt make the same mistakes in the forward half . When he is kicking it deep into the forward line he generall makes good choices. When he"s played forward for a quarter or more he provides good leads and a lot of second and third efforts.Take a look at his second half against the Lions at the Dome last year and dont just use one poor game and 10 minutes where he was totally out of sorts. Yes he does crap himself when the pressure is on in the defencive half. He is not a natural defender.

As for Johns i am a huge fan but what you say about CJ's leading is also not totally correct. Yes he provides a ot of leads (and gets ingnored a bit at times) but he often leads too early or to the wrong spot. The biggest weakness he has in his game is his fitness base is not good enough to provide continual second and third leads. More often than not he has to jog back to position.This will get better over time as will his leading but he has some work to do yet in that area.

Well you have just done the same thing there haven't you?

Anyway, John's lead positioning will get better with time. Bradley would be in the same boat anyway. You need to be part of a settled forward line to be able to make the right choices when leading, and ATM, our forward line is not settled. Even Lucas has struggled in the last 3 weeks.

 

[ant555]

Well you have just done the same thing there haven't you?

Anyway, John's lead positioning will get better with time. Bradley would be in the same boat anyway. You need to be part of a settled forward line to be able to make the right choices when leading, and ATM, our forward line is not settled. Even Lucas has struggled in the last 3 weeks.

Well no i didnt i used one example to use that backs up his form from the VFL game on Sunday and first Bendigo game this year where he was very good at CHF for a quarter and a bit. I could hardly tell you to take a look at VFL games that have already been played as finding vision of them is rather hard

No where have i ever said Johns wouldnt improve in fact it is the opposite i think he will be a very good forward. Lucas is a different story there is another factor effecting his form, he isnt 100%

 

[monty1104]

Well no i didnt i used one example to use that backs up his form from the VFL game on Sunday and first Bendigo game this year where he was very good at CHF for a quarter and a bit. I could hardly tell you to take a look at VFL games that have already been played as finding vision of them is rather hard

No where have i ever said Johns wouldnt improve in fact it is the opposite i think he will be a very good forward. Lucas is a different story there is another factor effecting his form, he isnt 100%

And I used one example that backed up his woeful play. And as for VFL form, it is completely different. Johns kicked 8 in his last VFL match IIRC. Bradley should really dominate VFL no matter where he plays, but if the club is serious about this guy, then leave him in 1 spot in the VFL for the whole season so he can learn how to play there properly. There is no point him after being dropped, simply being slotted into the Bendigo side to fill a gap. The team should be based around him, not vice-versa.

 

[ant555]

And I used one example that backed up his woeful play.

Trouble is you used 10 minutes of a game where he had already come on the ground and stuffed a few things up before hand before going forward. By then his day was already rooted.

And as for VFL form, it is completely different. Johns kicked 8 in his last VFL match IIRC.

So what you are saying is you cant rely on VFL form becasue it is completly different. How do we select players to come into the team then ???
Yes the level is a bit lower but on Sunday Bradley played as well as any AFL listed player i have seen at VFL level play.
By the way your memory is gone, Johns kicked 7

Bradley should really dominate VFL no matter where he plays, but if the club is serious about this guy, then leave him in 1 spot in the VFL for the whole season so he can learn how to play there properly. There is no point him after being dropped, simply being slotted into the Bendigo side to fill a gap. The team should be based around him, not vice-versa

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Are you going in circles????
I think i have mentioned a number of times , including my match report from the Willy game , that i think Bradley should be played in the same role as he was used in on sunday for 4 or 5 weeks with Bendigo. To say he should dominate any position he plays in the VFL is stupid. If you are no good at playing a position then you are no good at it

 

[monty1104]

Trouble is you used 10 minutes of a game where he had already come on the ground and stuffed a few things up before hand before going forward. By then his day was already rooted.



So what you are saying is you cant rely on VFL form becasue it is completly different. How do we select players to come into the team then ???
Yes the level is a bit lower but on Sunday Bradley played as well as any AFL listed player i have seen at VFL level play.
By the way your memory is gone, Johns kicked 7

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Are you going in circles????
I think i have mentioned a number of times , including my match report from the Willy game , that i think Bradley should be played in the same role as he was used in on sunday for 4 or 5 weeks with Bendigo. To say he should dominate any position he plays in the VFL is stupid. If you are no good at playing a position then you are no good at it

Well i'm certain the number was debateable, anyway it was still good.
Everyone talks about Bradley flexibility to play in numerous positions. I am a believer in this and i think he can play in any position, given time in that spot. The thing the coaches need to do is give him time in that spot. I am agreeing with you on this so i dont know what your beef is on this one

 

[ant555]

Well i'm certain the number was debateable, anyway it was still good.
Everyone talks about Bradley flexibility to play in numerous positions. I am a believer in this and i think he can play in any position, given time in that spot. The thing the coaches need to do is give him time in that spot. I am agreeing with you on this so i dont know what your beef is on this one

I dont know where this coversation has gone, you took it in the direction it went. My original comment was Bradley could prove to be just as effective in a forward role as Johns. You said he would be no good in the role. I highligted the fact that he has already played good footy in that role and it went from there........

It was 7 goals , i was there watching it and taking stats Go to the football victoria web site and look if you like.

 

[monty1104]

I believe you, I just remember a few people posting it as 8 goals on here. Anyway, my original point was that I think Johns is a better forward that Bradley. You don't. So lets just agree to disagree.