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I still don't think the JHF was a good trade. Clubs were forced to involve future picks because Port didn't have the capital, they should have got rid of a player to get some more draft capital before we traded with them, like other clubs did.

West Coast parted with 2, 40 and Rioli for pick 8, 12, Port future 2nd, Port future 3rd. The chaff plus Rioli seems to balance itself out so it seems like they were happy with with 8 and 12 to lose 2. Port didn't put enough in for this, they are pick 12 short imo. They should have had to acquire a first round pick from someone else.

GWS parted with 3, 12, future 2nd (Collingwood) and got 1, 53, 57 so 3+12 was about what they paid to move to number 1 and it is what they offered us prior to the mega trade. We lost that 12.

I think it is the main reason we got dudded, we lost a first round pick, or future first out of that deal by putting them together. Everyone juggled future picks so Port could throw in their mediocre future picks.

We should have just done the deal between Port and WCE AFTER they got another first round pick, or equivalent currency to satisfy Eagles.

I am glad we got 2+future 1st instead of 8+future first and more chaff. but we blinked in terms of what Port would paid because we entertained scenarios where Port didn't bring in more to the table.

You can tell by the language, they act like they got him cheaply, and they did. They managed to get a #1 pick mega talent after 1 year and with s**t picks and they didn't even have to cough up a mediocre player.
 

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To be fair i cannot remember to many on here un happy when we drafted him.
There was no other obvious number 1.

Daicos and Darcy not available. Finn Callaghan, Mac Andrew, Josh Rachelle, Josh Ward. These players were never going to supercede Horne.
For me the club had no choice but to take him and try and make it work.
He just blindsided us all by being an unbelievable piece of s**t.

I’ll be honest. We have chosen the worst 3 years to bottom out and hit the draft. No one from the 2020 and 2021 draft pool sticks out as genuine guns. Yes there has been glimpses but that’s it.
2022 looks a little better than recent years and there was no Covid interruptions thankfully.

I think 2023 will be the best draft since 2018. There was hardly any misses in that one. But we just need to get decent talent through the door and quickly.
 

benbanjo

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There was no other obvious number 1.

Daicos and Darcy not available. Finn Callaghan, Mac Andrew, Josh Rachelle, Josh Ward. These players were never going to supercede Horne.
For me the club had no choice but to take him and try and make it work.
He just blindsided us all by being an unbelievable piece of s**t.

I’ll be honest. We have chosen the worst 3 years to bottom out and hit the draft. No one from the 2020 and 2021 draft pool sticks out as genuine guns. Yes there has been glimpses but that’s it.
2022 looks a little better than recent years and there was no Covid interruptions thankfully.

I think 2023 will be the best draft since 2018. There was hardly any misses in that one. But we just need to get decent talent through the door and quickly.
It should still give us enough talent on the list to be a decent outfit. We will need to bring in more senior players from other clubs, it's not just all about the draft IMO.

We need to look to bring in another KPF obviously and look at some wingers also.
Hopefully we improve next year under Clarko and we see more players like Logue looking to come across.

Rawlings needs to start making some strong moves with recruitment, because not fecking up isn't a job well done.
I've personally had enough of us being a basket case.
 
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It should still give us enough talent on the list to be a decent outfit. We will need to bring in more senior players from other clubs, it's not just all about the draft IMO.

We need to look to bring in another KPF obviously and look at some wingers also.
Hopefully we improve next year under Clarko and we see more players like Logue looking to come across.

Rawlings needs to start making some strong moves with recruitment, because not fecking up isn't a job well done.
I've personally had enough of us being a basket case.
If Comben doesn’t come on we’ll need to target a free agent key forward. May still need to CCJ isn’t a viable alternative.
 

DunderHead

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JHF was a sunk cost, people need to get over it. We got rid of a cancer who didn’t want to be here and got a decent return. Chasing our losses based on emotion would have just cactus us even more
Yep. Could be worse, he could have turned out to be a dud and we only realise 8 years too late and get nothing for him in free agency.
 
Mar 16, 2001
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I still don't think the JHF was a good trade. Clubs were forced to involve future picks because Port didn't have the capital, they should have got rid of a player to get some more draft capital before we traded with them, like other clubs did.

West Coast parted with 2, 40 and Rioli for pick 8, 12, Port future 2nd, Port future 3rd. The chaff plus Rioli seems to balance itself out so it seems like they were happy with with 8 and 12 to lose 2. Port didn't put enough in for this, they are pick 12 short imo. They should have had to acquire a first round pick from someone else.

GWS parted with 3, 12, future 2nd (Collingwood) and got 1, 53, 57 so 3+12 was about what they paid to move to number 1 and it is what they offered us prior to the mega trade. We lost that 12.

I think it is the main reason we got dudded, we lost a first round pick, or future first out of that deal by putting them together. Everyone juggled future picks so Port could throw in their mediocre future picks.

We should have just done the deal between Port and WCE AFTER they got another first round pick, or equivalent currency to satisfy Eagles.

I am glad we got 2+future 1st instead of 8+future first and more chaff. but we blinked in terms of what Port would paid because we entertained scenarios where Port didn't bring in more to the table.

You can tell by the language, they act like they got him cheaply, and they did. They managed to get a #1 pick mega talent after 1 year and with s**t picks and they didn't even have to cough up a mediocre player.
We didn’t “lose” 2022 pick 12. We got 2022 pick 2 instead of pick 8, along with Port’s 2023 first round pick, which is a good chance to be better than mediocre, in a draft everyone rates as much stronger than this year. Their 2022 pick without the mega deal was in the weeds, and instead we get to pick the player we rate as the best this year.

Also “chaff” is unnecessarily pejorative - they can become higher picks or they can become good players (see Paul Curtis).
 
JHF was a sunk cost, people need to get over it. We got rid of a cancer who didn’t want to be here and got a decent return. Chasing our losses based on emotion would have just cactus us even more

I think there is a bit of sunk cost fallacy going on. But that was borne of Horne-Rattus being a scam. So people want recompense because we were taken for a ride. With how things played out it is hard to believe that anything with him was genuine.

I aslo think there is a compounding factor here of already feeling like we were short changed in terms of assistance from the AFL.

I hold hope that the last 4-6 weeks can be the catalyst for a very big Us vs Everyone attitude.
 
In terms of the "mega-trade" the one change I would have wanted would have been send Ports f1 to GWS and GWS send us theirs.

I feel that GWS are a safe bet to be lower next year.

Although it will be f***ing glorious if Port wind up bottm 5-6, so we then take some ridicouolsy quality kid and Byron Pickett Junior from them.
 
We didn’t “lose” 2022 pick 12. We got 2022 pick 2 instead of pick 8, along with Port’s 2023 first round pick, which is a good chance to be better than mediocre, in a draft everyone rates as much stronger than this year. Their 2022 pick without the mega deal was in the weeds, and instead we get to pick the player we rate as the best this year.

Also “chaff” is unnecessarily pejorative - they can become higher picks or they can become good players (see Paul Curtis).

Chaff isn't a pejorative, they have value as does chaff, it is just not as valuable as the crop. Those picks should improve once Brisbane pays for Ashcroft and Fletcher, but these aren't really the type of picks anyone has gone after other than Brisbane. Unless we get an unexpected earlish bid on Harvey, we may not even use them.

My point was GWS was giving 3+12 for 1, that is what they were offering before the mega deal and in the first version, the chaff I am referring to relates to the extra movement of picks that had to get involved so Port could use their future 2nd and 3rd round picks.

We should have done the trade with GWS first and taken it off the table. It would also have set a benchmark as to what pick 1 was worth. If we got 3+12 for 1 in a weaker draft, no way we are copping 8+FF, we said we wanted a good player plus 8+FF and 2+FF became the compromise, the issue was who ended up paying for upgrading 8 to 2.

By involving GWS into that, we ended up paying part of that, it is why the "chaff" isn't worth the same as 12 and the reasoning why I didn't think it was a good trade. Is it better than nothing? Sure. Has Brady done worse deals? Absolutely.

I think Logue for future 2nd round pick was great value, Freo could have, and probably should have held out for a lot more, had they suspected we would downgrade 1 or do a deal like the JHF one they would have held out for more. The danger of our weaker trading reputation is it will encourage clubs in the future to play hardball with us because we always cave in when they do.
 

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Waussie

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That's true but Judas had two years playing SANFL and left school in year 9 (?). Yes he was a part time milkman-child-baby but he was almost a full time footballer for two years before getting to us. LDU obviously impressed at U-18s, school footy etc but did year 12.
So your point is? LDU had a better education? Relevance?
 

William Caresser

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So your point is? LDU had a better education? Relevance?
No the point is that JH-F has essentially been a professional footballer since he was 15. He had no school commitments and did a part time job. He was free to work on every aspect of his game, including his tank/running. And he was playing senior football in the SANFL. Yet in his year with us, even before he started tanking, it was clear watching live that he couldn't do the transition running required, couldn't keep up with opponents. He was far from a ready made AFL footballer.

LDU has taken time to build his tank while in the AFL system. But he had commitments from 15-18 - going to school and all that year 12 demands. He wasn't playing professional footy until he got to us.
 

Mr Lloyd Christmas

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May 5, 2022
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I think in the circumstances we've done very well.

Still a list that needs more cutting but one step at a time and I'm confident we have turned a corner to no longer accept poor results etc
 

Waussie

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Nov 26, 2017
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No the point is that JH-F has essentially been a professional footballer since he was 15. He had no school commitments and did a part time job. He was free to work on every aspect of his game, including his tank/running. And he was playing senior football in the SANFL. Yet in his year with us, even before he started tanking, it was clear watching live that he couldn't do the transition running required, couldn't keep up with opponents. He was far from a ready made AFL footballer.

LDU has taken time to build his tank while in the AFL system. But he had commitments from 15-18 - going to school and all that year 12 demands. He wasn't playing professional footy until he got to us.
Seriously, what rubbish.
 
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No the point is that JH-F has essentially been a professional footballer since he was 15. He had no school commitments and did a part time job. He was free to work on every aspect of his game, including his tank/running. And he was playing senior football in the SANFL. Yet in his year with us, even before he started tanking, it was clear watching live that he couldn't do the transition running required, couldn't keep up with opponents. He was far from a ready made AFL footballer.

LDU has taken time to build his tank while in the AFL system. But he had commitments from 15-18 - going to school and all that year 12 demands. He wasn't playing professional footy until he got to us.

Interesting counterview.

2 years of state football was a good initiation. But it also might’ve left less scope for improvement beyond what was already being observed.
 
OK Fabian.
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So, what do we rate Brady's trade and draft period?

Started off with picks 1,55,66.
PP F2,F3
Lost JHF

Finished up with Logue, Tucker, Sheezel, Wardlaw, George, Harvey, Drury, Free, Howe, Turner.
2023 picks F1(North), F1 (Port) ,F3 (North), F3(Dees), F4 (Haw)
 
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DuckYeah

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Jul 5, 2010
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So, what do we rate Brady's trade and draft period?

Started off with picks 1,55,66
Lost JHF

Finished up with Logue, Tucker, Sheezel, Wardlaw, George, Harvey, Drury, Free, Howe, Turner.
2023 picks F1(North), F1 (Port) ,F3 (North), F3(Dees), F4 (Haw)
He’s done an enormous job since being with us.

Criticism of him is genuinely uncalled for in such little time.

In his current tenure. I’d say its better than a pass. Not honours level yet, I will admit just definitely passing hard with a credit at least.
 

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