List Mgmt. Brady Rawlings | Head of Football Talent (Recruitment, LM & TPP)

[Pykie]

Right, so you're letting your personal opinion of him cloud an objective view of his coaching credentials and experience. I figured that was the case.

I'm judging him on his previous job. How do you rate his job at Melbourne? What did he achieve?

He won 1 flag as a coach 16 years ago playing the most sturgy game style in history in arguably the weakest premiership era in the AFL era.

Pagan won a flag 21 years ago, why don't we just get him back as a mentor for Shaw then?

Choco Williams was a far more successful coach from the same era, out of work and desperate for a job in the AFL, but he's probably not politically correct enough for us.....

Choco also mentored Damien Hardwick in his first few years at Richmond, probably a slightly better CV than Roos and Goodwin I would say.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I'm judging him on his previous job. How do you rate his job at Melbourne? What did he achieve?

He won 1 flag as a coach 16 years ago playing the most sturgy game style in history in arguably the weakest premiership era in the AFL era.

Pagan won a flag 21 years ago, why don't we just get him back as a mentor for Shaw?

Why wouldn't you judge him on his overall record with Sydney as well?

And I'm unsure what you were expecting from him at Melbourne. They were an absolute basket case when he took over after Neeld's tenure, and they improved each season he was there (4 wins, 7 wins, 10 wins) and then made a prelim two years after that. That seems reasonably positive to me?

I don't really like the guy but if we're looking for an experienced, senior coaching mentor for Shaw, I can't think of too many better candidates.

 

[Its a Process]

I'm judging him on his previous job. How do you rate his job at Melbourne? What did he achieve?

He won 1 flag as a coach 16 years ago playing the most sturgy game style in history in arguably the weakest premiership era in the AFL era.

Pagan won a flag 21 years ago, why don't we just get him back as a mentor for Shaw?

100% agree with this. At Melbourne he was brought in to transfer them into a tough, resilient and Premiership contending side with a list given all the benefits of a heap of early draft picks. He has produced the exact opposite save a streak of 10 games in 2018 when they fell over against an average side in an Elimination Final and got smacked by West Coast. Reckon he's completely overrated and over priced and I think it's a really poor decision. I'd be having a go at D Noble from the Lions if they want a decent experienced Football person around Rhys.

 

[Pykie]

Why wouldn't you judge him on his overall record with Sydney as well?

And I'm unsure what you were expecting from him at Melbourne. They were an absolute basket case when he took over after Neeld's tenure, and they improved each season he was there (4 wins, 7 wins, 10 wins) and then made a prelim two years after that. That seems reasonably positive to me?

I don't really like the guy but if we're looking for an experienced, senior coaching mentor for Shaw, I can't think of too many better candidates.

Is his record at Sydney really relevant now? It was 16 years ago.

Like I said, you may as well just get Dennis down....

How about Malthouse? would you be ok with him? At least his flag was in the previous decade.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Is his record at Sydney really relevant now? It was 16 years ago.

Like I said, you may as well just get Dennis down....

How about Malthouse? at least his flag was in the previous decade.

I see, so your criteria for a coaching mentor/senior assistant is they have to experienced their success within the last 5-6 years? Aren't most of those guys still coaching?

 

[Pykie]

I see, so your criteria for a coaching mentor/senior assistant is they have to experienced their success within the last 5-6 years? Aren't most of those guys still coaching?

Yes, it is actually and your last point raises the exact problem with this arrangement.

The games tactics, analysis, analytics etc change so much in 4-5 years, Roos, Pagan, Malthouse, Choco etc may as well be Barrasi, Sheedy, Blight and Hafey these days.

There's a reason Choco and Eade are coaching local football these days and can't even get a basic assistants role (which they desperately want). It's the same reason Ayres has never been given even another role as even an AFL assistant.

I'm yet to see any evidence at all recently of this working. Even look at Worsfold and Rutten, that appears destined for disaster as well. Malthouse and Buckley.

As mentioned a few posts above, we would be far better getting an experienced footy ops mentor like Noble, Balme etc. The same role Fagan occupied before stepping into a coaching role.

These guys are proven difference makers.

Not a former AFL coach that is a dinosaur in modern terms.

 

[DesertRoo]

I'm judging him on his previous job. How do you rate his job at Melbourne? What did he achieve?

He won 1 flag as a coach 16 years ago playing the most sturgy game style in history in arguably the weakest premiership era in the AFL era.

Pagan won a flag 21 years ago, why don't we just get him back as a mentor for Shaw then?

Choco Williams was a far more successful coach from the same era, out of work and desperate for a job in the AFL, but he's probably not politically correct enough for us.....

Choco also mentored Damien Hardwick in his first few years at Richmond, probably a slightly better CV than Roos and Goodwin I would say.

Would take Choco in a heartbeat, I think he and Shaw could make a good partnership.
Although he could actually break some of the new recruits coming in.

 

[Swallow_Wood]

I highly doubt that the opinion of Roos will have any impact on the implementation of the plan that Rawlings has had approved by the board to rebuild the club. Roos would not be brought in for his thoughts on list build, but to mentor Shaw in managing the coaching side of the caper. If any time Shaw was to start changing his tune in relation to the implementation of this rebuild plan I would expect Swingin Dick Brady to ascertain how much if that is down to Roos getting in his ear and then put the *er back in his place.

 

[Devington]

Would take Choco in a heartbeat, I think he and Shaw could make a good partnership.
Although he could actually break some of the new recruits coming in.

From some of the interviews I've heard and read, choco has mellowed out a lot. Time (and a lot less pressure!) does wondrous things.

As for Roos, the scuttlebutt is that that he didn't get contracts renewed at his last two media gigs because he was asking for an absolute shitload. Coupled with also not being impressed at what he achieved at Melbourne, then I think he would be an awful option that costs too much and delivers too little.

A good starting point for having enough support for Shaw would just be having the *normal* number of coaching staff, thought I can't see that happening given COVID cuts.

 

[Star]

May I just remind everyone that all of this conjecture is based on a Damian Barrett puff piece, the only reference to Roos is "the Kangaroos have privately pledged to significantly bolster their support for Shaw, with Roos the most prominent name among those currently being canvassed".

Love or hate Roos, I think it's miles away

 

[The Warlord]

Can't I look at Ross Lyon and Horse instead?

Or should we not rate Clarkson because of Leon Cameron.

Stewie Dew too?

 

[King Corey]

Is his record at Sydney really relevant now? It was 16 years ago.

Like I said, you may as well just get Dennis down....

How about Malthouse? would you be ok with him? At least his flag was in the previous decade.

Proven Malthouse assistants -> Laidley, Neeld, Scott - Grand Finals 0

Proven Roos assistants -> Longmire, Lyon - Grand Finals 6

 

[FlyHigh18]

Too many alarm bells atm for my liking .
A lot of them ignored and swept under the rug as part of the 'list rebuild' headline.

Not sure how you guys aren't seriously worried.

 

[King Corey]

Too many alarm bells atm for my liking .
A lot of them ignored and swept under the rug as part of the 'list rebuild' headline.

Not sure how you guys aren't seriously worried.

Not sure what you mean?

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Yes, it is actually and your last point raises the exact problem with this arrangement.

The games tactics, analysis, analytics etc change so much in 4-5 years, Roos, Pagan, Malthouse, Choco etc may as well be Barrasi, Sheedy, Blight and Hafey these days.

There's a reason Choco and Eade are coaching local football these days and can't even get a basic assistants role (which they desperately want). It's the same reason Ayres has never been given even another role as even an AFL assistant.

I'm yet to see any evidence at all recently of this working. Even look at Worsfold and Rutten, that appears destined for disaster as well. Malthouse and Buckley.

As mentioned a few posts above, we would be far better getting an experienced footy ops mentor like Noble, Balme etc. The same role Fagan occupied before stepping into a coaching role.

These guys are proven difference makers.

Not a former AFL coach that is a dinosaur in modern terms.

I think it depends on what the club is actually looking for though, obviously.

A strong footy operations manager like Noble or Balme would be great, but realistically we're not going to go down that route when we have given Rawlings the remit we have.

If we're after a purely tactical brain then sure, I'd probably want someone who is currently in a coaching role somewhere.

If we're just replacing the same role Jade was in, which seemed to be a senior assistance/mentor to Shaw/conduit to the playing group, then I would think Roos is a very good candidate for that. Particularly given we will likely lose a few senior leaders and creating a professional culture for the young guys coming through is very important.

I suspect if he did come it wouldn't be for the money but more for his relationship with Shaw.

 

[Val Keating]

Worth noting the coaching panel when Roos won his flag was, Roos, Ross Lyon & Longmire. Not too shabby

 

[ChoppyGun]

Brady to NM Board - I accept the position.

I'll now

 

[franjon]

May I just remind everyone that all of this conjecture is based on a Damian Barrett puff piece, the only reference to Roos is "the Kangaroos have privately pledged to significantly bolster their support for Shaw, with Roos the most prominent name among those currently being canvassed".

Love or hate Roos, I think it's miles away

Never let the truth get in.....

 

[Tas]

Thinking back to what Amarfio said back in May got me thinking, football clubs are mostly built around specialist positions and roles.

“We can have 25 staff around the team in the facility, and physically contacting the players,” Amarfio told Triple M Hobart.

“All of this is under the auspices of keeping our football soft cap.

“We’re allowed to have a further amount of football outside of that 25, who are allowed to work but not allowed to have contact (with the players).

“That meant that we were able to bring back about 32 or 33 people in our football area, but also meant there were some people we couldn’t afford to bring back, which was awful.”

With a severely reduced headcount, Amarfio says staff will be expected to do more in order to get the team ready for the recommencement of the season on June 11.

“When you are basically taking about 30 or 40 per cent of the workforce out of the football department, everyone needs to become a generalist and dig in and do multiple roles,” he said.

We know the soft cap change is going through until 2021 at least and there is no guarantee we will have a cure or viable treatment for covid during next season, we are already seeing a significant second wave build up momentum in Europe.

I think we have to pivot in terms of the football club, if we have a much smaller football department forced on us by the AFL and have limitations on staff numbers around the club I think the focus for our club needs to shift towards the development of younger players rather than having a bunch of guys who were previously just focused on current performance.

“That was one of the criteria from which the football department selected for the 25 at least, was who has the right skillset for the needs of the players, and which staff also have transferrable and multiple skills that they can do more than one job,” Amarfio added.

I wouldn't be surprised if Crocker is pretty much the VFL/VFLW/AFLW coach, I think they VFLW season is first, then AFLW and then VFL, i don't think there is much if any overlap. He will likely have some people helping him out but they will probably provide a broader range of coaching for the short-term.

Of the AFL side:
Shaw (senior coach) stays
Rawlings (senior assistant coach) gone
Moore (midfield/stoppage coach) gone
Rivers (defensive coach) gone
Whitecross (forward coach) gone
Brown (head of development) stays
Scotland (development coach) gone
Adams (development coach) stays
Firrito (academy coach) gone
Harvey (development coach/goalkicking coach) stays
Minson (part time ruck coach) gone
Loader (VFL coach) gone
Gowan (AFLW coach) gone

I think we will probably bring in some new people but I think they will provide a broad role coverage rather than more specialised roles.

We also have a lot of conditioning, medical and other staff that work with players, both from in-season and pre-season. I think given the choice, we have to focus more of our resources towards development, that is more important to us than how many games we win in 2021.

I'd like to see changes to our strength/conditioning staff as well, our players don't seem as physically advanced as other kids at other clubs, we have a lot of sub 80kg players and a lot of them are getting hurt because they are being ragdolled. We need to up the ante in terms of development.

 

[Masked Avenger]

Has anyone seen Keyser Soze and Brady Rawlings in the same room?

He delists 11 players, half of them were regulars 12 months ago. He gives our best forward a whack on the way through as he frog marches him out. He bones his brother and takes a flame thrower to the rest of the coaching group including one of the few genuine shinboners this century.

How do you shoot him in the back? What if you miss?

 

[DunderHead]

Fire quickly, hire slowly.

This is a proper rebuild people. And I reckon we have good bones for it. I like our 24s and under.

I can see us pick up some promising 22 year olds by throwing them longer contracts.

Next year will be a tough year. But after that we should have our core ready to start moving back up the ladder.

We may not see wins in the traditional sense but we should be able to point out some stuff to get excited about.

 

[Val Keating]

Wasn’t Firrito’s job already gone? I know he didn’t work for us this year, he spoke about it in an interview on radio. He did say he was hoping to go back once the covid situation was under control but he didn’t sound like someone who knew there was a job there waiting for him.

 

[Ry009]

Fire quickly, hire slowly.

This is a proper rebuild people. And I reckon we have good bones for it. I like our 24s and under.

I can see us pick up some promising 22 year olds by throwing them longer contracts.

Next year will be a tough year. But after that we should have our core ready to start moving back up the ladder.

We may not see wins in the traditional sense but we should be able to point out some stuff to get excited about.

We had to clear the decks, we've been middling for close to 20 years and the level of complacency that has crept into the club has been unacceptable.

Think we started to see it towards the end of the season with guys like LDU playing with more gusto. The young guys I feel will take more ownership on field and lead us into the next era.

Don't think we'll be anywhere near the 8 but think we'll surprise a few next year.

We need to be a results driven club. For far too long we've had people at all sections of the club long out stay their welcome.

Hopefully this comment won't bite me on the arse, but I reckon Amarfio and Brady will be some of the most important people we got on the road to No. 5.

 

[F_therest]

Has anyone seen Keyser Soze and Brady Rawlings in the same room?

He delists 11 players, half of them were regulars 12 months ago. He gives our best forward a whack on the way through as he frog marches him out. He bones his brother and takes a flame thrower to the rest of the coaching group including one of the few genuine shinboners this century.

How do you shoot him in the back? What if you miss?

Could be the turning point getting north back up the ladder or a complete disaster.

North needed a shake up but Rawlings has completely gutted the playing and coaching group...and in a pretty ruthless way. That kind of 'my way or the highway' aggressive approach can lead to problems.

Hopefully he's not all about showing who's boss and ruling with fear but can actually develop strong relationships too.

 

[Psicosis]

Could be the turning point getting north back up the ladder or a complete disaster.

North needed a shake up but Rawlings has completely gutted the playing and coaching group...and in a pretty ruthless way. That kind of 'my way or the highway' aggressive approach can lead to problems.

Hopefully he's not all about showing who's boss and ruling with fear but can actually develop strong relationships too.

Demanding high standards from your players and coaches, is a bit different then “my way or the highway”.