Player Watch Brayden Sier (Delisted 2021)

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Vicky Park said:
Sier plays better with quality around him. It’s time.
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Exactly. He had 18 possessions a few mins into the second half, he’s getting plenty of it.

How do people think Swanny would have gone playing in the VFL on the way back from injury? I think he’d have been busy talking to people on the boundary and eating pies.
 
neilk said:
I know what you mean. I started trying to think of 10 weeks from when? My son is in the Marcellin Old Boys' crowd and he hears things...
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My exact same reaction. All I came up with was 10 weeks of home and away matches or 10 weeks from whatever happened if that coincided with his return to the VFL team... Either way he won’t be back this week, IMO.

I should probably stress for others I’m keen to get him back because I too think he’ll thrive roving to Grundy’s ruckwork and from building connections with the rest of our midfield.
 
Apples said:
I don't think Sier was setting the house on fire when he debuted last year; he took his chance and stayed in the team. Probably needs a rocket to get motivated, but it's not a good sign. He really should have gone on after last year and I'm very disappointed with how it has worked out so far.
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I admit I’m Sier’s advocate.

But from what I hear at this time is motivation is fine. He trains hard and he’s over the niggles holding him back in recent weeks.

He is an exceptionally laid back guy, that’s him. He looks easy flowing but he’s in there training well.

I think he’s close and improves our side over and above say Wills or Brown.
 

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loki04 said:
Depends on his overall impact on the game rather then an arbitrary 4-6 disposal difference (24 vs 30) imo.

Pendles had a few games earlier this year where he just wasn't having much influence which followed his 2017 year so people were getting concerned.
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Totally agree. Just think for him total possessions can serve as a bit of an indicator about how his overall game is developing. He's one who needs to learn where to run to get more uncontested possessions and be a part of attacking chains and until he does, his inclusion in the midfield will improve stoppage but weaken transition, so I don't see him as a certain inclusion with our strong midfield. Last year, he was lacking in a major area of a midfielders game, even though he was excellent around stoppage. To me, it's a significant weakness in his game and may stop him being selected, particularly as it stops him from being able to play another role within the team - he's a centre square mid for his entire minutes or he doesn't play. Whilst obviously not being definitive, I do think total possessions can give a bit of an indicator about whether his spread and transition has improved.
 
sr36 said:
Totally agree. Just think for him total possessions can serve as a bit of an indicator about how his overall game is developing. He's one who needs to learn where to run to get more uncontested possessions and be a part of attacking chains and until he does, his inclusion in the midfield will improve stoppage but weaken transition, so I don't see him as a certain inclusion with our strong midfield. Last year, he was lacking in a major area of a midfielders game, even though he was excellent around stoppage. To me, it's a significant weakness in his game and may stop him being selected, particularly as it stops him from being able to play another role within the team - he's a centre square mid for his entire minutes or he doesn't play. Whilst obviously not being definitive, I do think total possessions can give a bit of an indicator about whether his spread and transition has improved.
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It needs improving as does his frequency rate of bursting from stoppages but it isn't as bad as say Wills.

IMO Seir comes in for Wills every day of the week.

Id also argue his impact around the contest can help the Pendles and beams and Steeles of the team. Not weaken them.
 
loki04 said:
It needs improving as does his frequency rate of bursting from stoppages but it isn't as bad as say Wills.

IMO Seir comes in for Wills every day of the week.

Id also argue his impact around the contest can help the Pendles and beams and Steeles of the team. Not weaken them.
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Without a shadow of doubt. But Adams comes back first. At the moment we've got Pendles, Treloar, Adams, Beams, Sier and Sidebottom all assumedly with their hands up for centre square mid duties, probably only 4 of them will get serious minutes in the role and Sier is yet to show that he can contribute in any other role. With our wingman going very well, it's unlikely that we're going to move these guys to those roles, likewise with our forwards - although Thomas, Brow, WHE, VArcoe and Elliott would feel some pressure from this group who don't fit into one midfield.


I think Sier's probably the best of them in terms of stoppage, but he's also the least of them in terms of the rest of the midfielder's role. I like him a lot, but I'm just not sure he is a certain inclusion. I hope I'm wrong, because he brings an extra dynamic.
 
sr36 said:
Without a shadow of doubt. But Adams comes back first. At the moment we've got Pendles, Treloar, Adams, Beams, Sier and Sidebottom all assumedly with their hands up for centre square mid duties, probably only 4 of them will get serious minutes in the role and Sier is yet to show that he can contribute in any other role. With our wingman going very well, it's unlikely that we're going to move these guys to those roles, likewise with our forwards - although Thomas, Brow, WHE, VArcoe and Elliott would feel some pressure from this group who don't fit into one midfield.


I think Sier's probably the best of them in terms of stoppage, but he's also the least of them in terms of the rest of the midfielder's role. I like him a lot, but I'm just not sure he is a certain inclusion. I hope I'm wrong, because he brings an extra dynamic.
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How much development time has he even spent in other roles? Like have they seen what he can do from FF like Degoey? Similar athletic traits.

I think 90% of his development has been as a number 1 mid.

Also I'd push Beams to High half fwd role, get Seir in around the ball rotating to bench when out of the center.
 
loki04 said:
How much development time has he even spent in other roles? Like have they seen what he can do from FF like Degoey? Similar athletic traits.

I think 90% of his development has been as a number 1 mid.

Also I'd push Beams to High half fwd role, get Seir in around the ball rotating to bench when out of the center.
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I agree that he doesn't appear to have development time in other roles. I think we've erred a bit in his development in that regard. I think he'd have a better understanding of the game and running patterns if he'd spent more time up forward or in defence watching it unfold. But to we plug him into a role up forward that he hasn't been previously exposed to or prepped for. I'd say no, unless it's a small part of his day's rotation.

At the moment he's pretty much mid only. I probably wouldn't put Beams up forward, to me Beams, Pendlbury, Phillips and Mayne are midfield and wing only also as they don't have the pace to apply the necessary forward pressure. With rotations that leaves 1 starting spot and maybe 2 other guys rotating through those roles - Treloar, Sidebottom, Adams all would have their hands up for those spots. Injuries will ensure he gets some chances, but he's going to have to perform to a very high standard to hold his place.
 
I've noticed Sier at half-forward a few times at VFL last year, the first time in my own recollection. Not sure if it has been to manage rotations or to develop his skillset, but in any case he hasn't looked out of place there, at least in crumbing the ball (not so much marking etc.).
 
JB1975 said:
I've noticed Sier at half-forward a few times at VFL last year, the first time in my own recollection. Not sure if it has been to manage rotations or to develop his skillset, but in any case he hasn't looked out of place there, at least in crumbing the ball (not so much marking etc.).
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Excellent. That's great news. If he can play that role, guys like Brown, and Varcoe should be concerned. He's one you'd consider playing as a centre square stoppage specialist who then moves to high half forward after the centre bounce, so you get his contest around the ball without losing out on the transition that is needed from these guys.
 
sr36 said:
I agree that he doesn't appear to have development time in other roles. I think we've erred a bit in his development in that regard. I think he'd have a better understanding of the game and running patterns if he'd spent more time up forward or in defence watching it unfold. But to we plug him into a role up forward that he hasn't been previously exposed to or prepped for. I'd say no, unless it's a small part of his day's rotation.

At the moment he's pretty much mid only. I probably wouldn't put Beams up forward, to me Beams, Pendlbury, Phillips and Mayne are midfield and wing only also as they don't have the pace to apply the necessary forward pressure. With rotations that leaves 1 starting spot and maybe 2 other guys rotating through those roles - Treloar, Sidebottom, Adams all would have their hands up for those spots. Injuries will ensure he gets some chances, but he's going to have to perform to a very high standard to hold his place.
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I think beams has proven he can play well at Half forward was even spending time there within games at Brisbane.

He is good around goals and can push up to help the on ball brigade as an extra mid anyway.
 
loki04 said:
I think beams has proven he can play well at Half forward was even spending time there within games at Brisbane.

He is good around goals and can push up to help the on ball brigade as an extra mid anyway.
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Pace? If we’re going that way I’d assume Brown is the one that goes out and there’s a huge pace discrepancy there.

I think the idea has merit though, but I’d just choose a different option and suggest Treloar. He’s gone to another level in 2019 and a hit to his possession numbers could be offset by him getting a greater % within 70 of goal. On the flip side he’d offer much more defensively than Beams, IMO.

I’m sure there’s holes in my thinking and I doubt it happens, but it’s my take on how we can make it work with our current mix unless we shift Mayne back as we did after Langdon went down.
 
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Scodog10 said:
Pace? If we’re going that way I’d assume Brown is the one that goes out and there’s a huge pace discrepancy there.

I think the idea has merit though, but I’d just choose a different option and suggest Treloar. He’s gone to another level in 2019 and a hit to his possession numbers could be offset by him getting a greater % within 70 of goal. On the flip side he’d offer much more defensively than Beams, IMO.

I’m sure there’s holes in my thinking and I doubt it happens, but it’s my take on how we can make it work with our current mix unless we shift Mayne back as we did after Langdon went down.
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I don't know if I'm that keen on seeing Treloar's balze away stats go to unprecedented levels.
 

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Sleuth1 said:
Can't agree that he is not motivated. He went to Thailand at his own expense to improve his fitness. Beams got drafted and Sier got sidelined due to team balance and Beams is better at this stage. Then he got injured and Wills got his chance and is doing okay. It is scuttlebutt that he has not been motivated. I can't see why he would stay with us if there is no opportunity. He might as well keep developing his game and take his chances elsewhere. I will miss him but it is a tough game sometime.
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Ah yes.. Went to Thailand for "fitness"... I'm sure that's what a young rich guy does in the debauchery capital.
 
loki04 said:
I think beams has proven he can play well at Half forward was even spending time there within games at Brisbane.

He is good around goals and can push up to help the on ball brigade as an extra mid anyway.
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If Sier can be prepped for the half forward running patterns and apply the necessary pressure, I'd love him to take centre bounces and stoppages forward of half back and then move there swapping with one of the mids who is a gun in transition.
 
Kappa said:
Ah yes.. Went to Thailand for "fitness"... I'm sure that's what a young rich guy does in the debauchery capital.
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Never change.
 
Scodog10 said:
Pace? If we’re going that way I’d assume Brown is the one that goes out and there’s a huge pace discrepancy there.

I think the idea has merit though, but I’d just choose a different option and suggest Treloar. He’s gone to another level in 2019 and a hit to his possession numbers could be offset by him getting a greater % within 70 of goal. On the flip side he’d offer much more defensively than Beams, IMO.

I’m sure there’s holes in my thinking and I doubt it happens, but it’s my take on how we can make it work with our current mix unless we shift Mayne back as we did after Langdon went down.
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I'd rather keep Treloars pace (even though I think he's lost a yard since hammys) around the ball but i also dont mind him rotating forward maybe him and beamer can rotate, I'd use Seir as an impact player for now coming on and off the pine much like Swanny in the day.
 
Kappa said:
He's either being punished or the coaches just dont rate him best 22 at this stage. Perfect opportunity for him to come in against a contested footy team like Sydney with a bunch of midfielders out and he's still playing vfl
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We don't really have a bunch of mids out, only Adams and some JDG minutes.
 
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