Brazil VS Uruguay Versus Argentina and Paraguay As Best Soccer Football Countries

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Abram Jones

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if we take a look at wealth and population adjusted rankings it is very interesting that Uruguay, Brazil, Argentina, and Paraguay all are within arms reach of each other. if we look at normal rankings Brazil is far ahead. however, it wasn't always like this. but it is important to keep in mind that Brazil did not always have the wealth and population edge it had against Uruguay and Argentina. although Brazil always had more population since the early days of soccer football, Argentine and Uruguayan wealth per capita were much higher than Brazil's. over the years as Brazil's wealth per capita has grown... and their population has grown even further... their edge in sports has been increased exponentially into superpower status. this is another one of many reasons why wealth and population adjusted ratings need to make it to the mainstream.

you may noticed i have skipped Croatia, Montenegro, and Serbia. the reason is because if Yugoslavia's score was mixed with theirs they would be lower (similar case with Czechia and Czechoslovakia). Soccer Football in Yugoslavia started improving in the mid 1900s which is the main reason why these independent countries are noticeably higher than the former Yugoslavia. however, this isn't to say that these countries won't be able to stand the test of time, but it's too early to tell if they will be able to stay as consistent as the top 4 South American countries. i have considered mixing all time scores of newer countries from bigger former countries, but this can cause problems too. in some cases this will lower a country's score unjustly. so for now i'm just leaving it as is. all types of ratings should be viewed with a knowledgeable eye, but especially all time rankings.

Chile is also not at the very top, that is because Chile does not have the same type of historic success as these 4 countries.

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My first thought was the War of the Triple Alliance.

i didn't even notice that :tearsofjoy: i guess i've been looking at international stats so long i ignore the historic events associated with some of these countries. poor Paraguay, that just wasn't right. sometimes i wonder if severe wars like that have an impact on the genetic pool of some countries regarding sports.
 
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i didn't even notice that :tearsofjoy: i guess i've been looking at international stats so long i ignore the historic events associated with some of these countries. poor Paraguay, that just wasn't right. sometimes i wonder if severe wars like that have an impact on the genetic pool of some countries regarding sports.

Well that took place in the 1860s, so any success they've had wouldn't really be due to the Triple Alliance. The Hungarians, yes.

Mind you, 70-90% of your male population will certainly hurt. It's incredible that they've managed to recover from that.
 
Wasn't just Puskas, Kocsic and co leaving that ended Hungary (they still did fairly well for awhile after), 12,000 registered footballers left during the uprising.

That would kill any country's football.

i was confused at first because i was looking at it from a different perspective, but now i understand what you guys are talking about. what i meant is the actual genetic pool rather than people leaving. in Hungary's case it may be a matter of losing so many key people from emigration that the football system collapses, or efficiency is greatly reduced. however, their water polo never lost much momentum. to clarify, i was referring to so many deaths of the best and able bodies males in a war that the following generations would not be as athletic. i am not sure if this has ever happened.
 
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i was confused at first because i was looking at it from a different perspective, but now i understand what you guys are talking about. what i meant is the actual genetic pool rather than people leaving. in Hungary's case it's a matter of losing so many key people from emigration that the football system collapses, or efficiency is greatly reduced. i was referring to so many deaths of the best and able bodies males in a war that the following generations would not be as athletic. i am not sure if this has ever happened.

Only thing I can think of would be WW2 in Eastern Europe where countries like Poland lost so many able bodied males through genocides and fighting either the Nazis or the Soviets. Poland's greatest player after the war was Zbigniew Boniek who was prominent in the 80's so it shows how long it took for the Poles to recover and establish a decent football team again. Bosnia during the 90's is another example with the genocide that happened (most good Yugoslavian players now were immigrants to other countries). Just under 93,000 dead with many of them males with an already small population didn't help them in the slightest. Ditto Kosovo.
 
Only thing I can think of would be WW2 in Eastern Europe where countries like Poland lost so many able bodied males through genocides and fighting either the Nazis or the Soviets. Poland's greatest player after the war was Zbigniew Boniek who was prominent in the 80's so it shows how long it took for the Poles to recover and establish a decent football team again. Bosnia during the 90's is another example with the genocide that happened (most good Yugoslavian players now were immigrants to other countries). Just under 93,000 dead with many of them males with an already small population didn't help them in the slightest. Ditto Kosovo.

i'm not sure how much of this is a result of destroyed genetics compared to a socioeconomic issue. keep in mind that Poland was a very poor country for many years... therefore decreasing their sporting potential. Ukraine also lost a high percentage of population during World War 2 and generally perform poorly in sports (in normal rankings), however, i think this is much more of an economic problem than anything related to genetics. both countries appear to be doing quite well in wealth and population adjusted rankings.

POST WW2
2017: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_sports/5/2017 Poland #31, Ukraine #38 (out of 160 places at time of post)
2007: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_sports/5/2007 Ukraine #25, Poland #28 (out of 160 places)
1997: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_sports/5/1997 Ukraine #36, Poland #66 (out of 134 places) *Ukraine had less that 30 matches by the end of 1997
1987: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_sports/5/1987 Poland #53 (out of 76 places)
1977: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_sports/5/1977 Poland #7 (out of 78 places)
1967: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_sports/5/1967 Poland #41 (out of 48 palces)
1957: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_sports/5/1957 Poland #32 (out of 40 places)

PRE WW2
1937: http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/load_sports/5/1937 Poland #21 (out of 27 places)
*Poland had less than 30 matches by the end of 1927, so i didn't include them

here is Bosnia's profile so far for wealth and population adjusted statistics (looking close to being on par with other former Yugoslav countries): http://internationalsports.nfshost.com/index.php/home/profile/83

i don't have enough data for Kosovo yet.

Judging by these statistics, it doesn't look like genetics were effected by the great tragedies these countries went through. of course this isn't conclusive.
 

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