Brendan Fevola

[just maybe]

It would be nice and the club is doing that. Its just that people jump on those players when they don't have almost instant impact.

I think the likes of Hentschel and Watts could develop into terrific key forwards.

Still on Watts. Really, on what basis do you still 'think' he will be a terrific key forward?

 

[conVINCEd]

Why????

I would have thought someone like Fev would be a perfect fit for the style of play Craig wants us to play and he will be 25 at the start of next year. He is yet to enter his prime.

Personally, I think AFC would be mad not to have a crack if there is slightest chance he would come.

I mainly don't want him because of what we would have to give up. It would be a lot more than Watts and a second rounder, and I want us to use our draft picks for the next couple of years.

I also simply can't see him firing anywhere but Carlton with Pagan as coach. He seems the type of guy that would get distracted easily and uprooting from Melbourne to come to Adelaide wouldn't be the smoothest transition.

Just as an aside - when was the last time a team won a flag on the back of recruiting a gun player?

Not this millenium; not even Plugger could bring the Swans a premiership.

 

[outback jack]

Not sure if anyone caught the port game tonight, i caught the last half and the fev would definitely be a good get for us. Tredrea is possibly the most overrated forward in the comp, has his kicking problems back again, doesnt know how to stand up and be counted at all. Fev was the standout forward and kicked 4ish, and was very unlucky not to have more. We should throw a bit of dough at him and see if hes interested.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Still on Watts. Really, on what basis do you still 'think' he will be a terrific key forward?

I already answered this question in the other thread and I am not going down the same track again. I rate him, you don't. End of story.

 

[just maybe]

I think we should trial him in defense. If one of our three talls falls over (God forbid).

 

[Stiffy_18]

Just as an aside - when was the last time a team won a flag on the back of recruiting a gun player?

Off the top of my head Darren Jarman.

Not this millenium; not even Plugger could bring the Swans a premiership.

So if it hasn't happened this millenium it means its the trend

Fact is most premiership sides are built with trading being one of the most important ingridients. Port's premiership side had some 7 (?????) players that were aquired by trade.

Quite simply a key forward of Fevola's calibre is the sort of player that transforms your side from good side to a top side. I am not saying that he would make us a contender over night BUT he is the sort of player that is still young, a matchwinner and will be there once we become a force again.

Draft picks are over-rated and they can just as easily be busts. While I am all for using draft picks over the next few years, I am also flexible enought to realise that chances to get goal kicking forwards don't come along that often so if it means trading a pick for him then I am all for it as long as that player has some 6-8 years of footy left in him.

I am not so sure that Fev wouldn't fire under anyone else than Pagan. Granted, Pagan turned him into the player he is now but players mature at different stages of their career. Fevola is a bit of a trouble child. So was Plugga and so was Barry Hall. Moving interstate did wonders for those 2. It has been remarkable to watch Barry Halls transformation from St. Kilda years to this day.

 

[conVINCEd]

Off the top of my head Darren Jarman.


So if it hasn't happened this millenium it means its the trend

Fact is most premiership sides are built with trading being one of the most important ingridients. Port's premiership side had some 7 (?????) players that were aquired by trade.

Quite simply a key forward of Fevola's calibre is the sort of player that transforms your side from good side to a top side. I am not saying that he would make us a contender over night BUT he is the sort of player that is still young, a matchwinner and will be there once we become a force again.

Draft picks are over-rated and they can just as easily be busts. While I am all for using draft picks over the next few years, I am also flexible enought to realise that chances to get goal kicking forwards don't come along that often so if it means trading a pick for him then I am all for it as long as that player has some 6-8 years of footy left in him.

I am not so sure that Fev wouldn't fire under anyone else than Pagan. Granted, Pagan turned him into the player he is now but players mature at different stages of their career. Fevola is a bit of a trouble child. So was Plugga and so was Barry Hall. Moving interstate did wonders for those 2. It has been remarkable to watch Barry Halls transformation from St. Kilda years to this day.

Not sure where I said it was the trend - or where I even used it as part of my argument. I simply mentioned it as an after-thought.

You're correct re Jars, for some reason that slipped my mind.

As for Fevola, I just think that there is a very small chance of him leaving Carlton, and I'm not sure that if he did leave he would want to move states either. Yes, it is possible, especially if we threw some $$ at him, but I'd rather see us use our picks or, if we are presented with an excellent option (ala Thompson for #12) then obviously take it.

Of course trading is a big part of footy these days, and I'm sure we will bring in a some players via Trade Week over the next few years, I just don't think that splashing out with the $$ to bring in one particular player is the way to go about it. Your gun key forward is the most important player in a team, especially if you only have one (Port/Tredrea) and the pressure that can accompany a high profile recruitment could, IMHO, cripple someone like Fev.

For me, its just about the vibe.

 

[Stiffy_18]

BUMP

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/05/11/1115585027169.html

Have people changed their mind on the issue?????

Do you still want us to have a crack at getting him considering our strugling forward line?????

Fire away

 

[outback jack]

jack has, i was of the opinion do everything to get him. I am now of the opinion that our team is 4-6 yrs from being premiership contenders. So we need to trade off whatever we can and get quality youngsters in there. Wont happen though. If he specifically was interested in coming to adelaide then you take him though. If its highest price i wouldnt be interested. It is interesting however that when fev is missing carlton are shi te, so it shows what a good target he would be for us.

 

[Stiffy_18]

jack, have you changed your opinion of what Fevola is worth in terms of $$$$??????

 

[CaptainDangerfield]

Nope, no way. The price would be way too high. At the very minimum we would lose 1st and 2nd round draft picks. If the AFC did that, then it would suggest they learnt absolutely nothing from the Carey quick fix disaster. Maybe in our untried youngsters we have a quality forward or two, however we won't know that while they are wasting away at FB in the SANFL.

 

[macca23]

BUMP

http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/05/11/1115585027169.html

Have people changed their mind on the issue?????

Do you still want us to have a crack at getting him considering our strugling forward line?????

Fire away

Interesting but not for me Stiffy.

We've been down this track before of trying to buy ourselves a forward - remember Carey - and it was nothing but an expensive failure.

Fevola will be 25 at the beginning of next year and is not your standard football character. Manages to get into more than his fair share of trouble. He'd cost about $450+ k or so in the salary cap and that in itself would cause a problem.

Besides it's not like we're on the edge of winning a premiership.

I'd prefer to keep our draft picks for later this year which is tipped to be a strong draft.

If we have a crack at anybody it should be Pavlich at the end of 2006. A South Australian boy of very good character, and IMO a better player.

Pass on Fevola.

 

[slappy]

you simply cant go around throwing money at players who are as inconsistent as fevola. he's not worth it.

also why the hell would collingwood want him, given they have tarrant and rocca?

 

[outback jack]

jack, have you changed your opinion of what Fevola is worth in terms of $$$$??????

I am unsure what does a key forward get $400-600?? I would rate him on the lower end of that, atm. I think we'd have room, we should anyway, skippy and co should be on a minimum. Its more a question are we willing to trade a first rounder and a player probably. We need to get some young quality players in straight away. One upside is that draftees like meeson and co will only be coming good when macca and roo retire, so bringing in a gun like fev could raise the chance of having another crack at a flag. it would be unsuccessful though, and we'd resort to rebuilding again after 2-3yrs i think.

 

[outback jack]

you simply cant go around throwing money at players who are as inconsistent as fevola. he's not worth it.

also why the hell would collingwood want him, given they have tarrant and rocca?

carlton without fevola are lost, he is a great target.


Collingwood want him cause tarrant is a soft player and too small for FF. Rocca's best is past him, and the injury hes got will knock him off. But the real reason they are interested is cause they will have the number 1 pre-season draft pick and unlike richmond they will make sure they do beter than Knobel.

 

[Crow-mosone]

Fev's value isn't just what he produces. He would allow Welsh to be 2nd forward and perrie and 3rd. Which should lift both of their outputs as they get a relatively waeker defender standing them.

I say bring him in. You need a competitive team to blood young players the right way. You don't want to teach them how to lose every week.

 

[tribey]

Fev's value isn't just what he produces. He would allow Welsh to be 2nd forward and perrie and 3rd. Which should lift both of their outputs as they get a relatively waeker defender standing them.

Two fat ladies, 88
Legs eleven, 11
Ying and yang, 69
A baker's dozen, 13
Sweet sixteen, 16

BINGO!

As you say, apart from the 60-70 we'd expect him to kick, the beauty of Fev would be the complete restructuring our forward line would receive. Welsh would think it was Christmas and Perrie would be released to do what he does best, busting packs and hitting contests further up the ground.

This scenario would also provide a Watts and/or a Meesen with a much gentler work environment in which to learn on the job.

 

[outback jack]

Two fat ladies, 88
Legs eleven, 11
Ying and yang, 69
A baker's dozen, 13
Sweet sixteen, 16

BINGO!

As you say, apart from the 60-70 we'd expect him to kick, the beauty of Fev would be the complete restructuring our forward line would receive. Welsh would think it was Christmas and Perrie would be released to do what he does best, busting packs and hitting contests further up the ground.

This scenario would also provide a Watts and/or a Meesen with a much gentler work environment in which to learn on the job.

A misconception yourself and crowmosone make is that fev would release welsh. Welsh and fev are exactly the same types. Leading forwards. Fev doesnt take pack marks. The only problem is that welsh due to injuries mainly of the groin if i remember correctly, and i'd say his attitude wasnt that great either, hasnt done a proper weight program for a forward and hence at 26ish is built like a matchstick. Fev would take welshes position, ideally in the perfect forward line.

And you mention it would make it easier for watts, you see fergus or someone of quality would have to be traded plus our first round pick to get fev here. So you really have to weigh it up and see whether its in our long term interests. History shows that recruiting forwards generally doesnt work. He is young which should be a requirement for anyone we recruit from now on, but he is a touch too old for when we peak i reckon. In our case one forward isnt going to help solve the multiple other problems we have. Welsh should be traded if theres a first rounder out there imo, maybe a swap with fev i think welshy is a big fan of pagan actually.

 

[Mego Red]

Fev's value isn't just what he produces. He would allow Welsh to be 2nd forward and perrie and 3rd. Which should lift both of their outputs as they get a relatively waeker defender standing them.

I say bring him in. You need a competitive team to blood young players the right way. You don't want to teach them how to lose every week.

Very true - it allows other players to play theuir natural positions, and allows the juniors we're blooding to enter into a stronger system.

That being said - the issue is much more what Carlton would want for him than whther we could use the lad -

 

[Crowked]

Like to have him, but we never will. Even if he leaves Carlton, he wont leave Melbourne. Wouldnt even bother trying because it simply will never happen. Other clubs in Melbourne will drive his price up and who ever ends up with him will be paying top bucks. If we are going to make a play for a gun forward, lets go for Pavlich. At least there is a minute chance of Pav coming home, there is absolutely no chance of getting Fevola to the AFC, unless we relocate to Melbourne.

 

[DJ75]

Some of the arguments on here are mind-boggling!!
Fev would be a good addition to our team. Fev is NOT Carey (i.e. not already past his best) Fev will give us a legitimate target, one which will allow the Hentschels, Watts, Messons etc.. to develop without the best defender on them.
The price for Fev will be high, but consider this one:
Fev to Adelaide
Watts & First round pick (low and traded for) to St. Kilda
Kositschke & 1st round pick From St.Kilda to Carlton

We have to do a D. Jarman type trade to pull this one off, a simple swap will not work.

Having said all that......it won't happen, Fev will stay at Carlton, but we most certainly should try everything to get him (as we should have with B. Hall when he first left the Saints)

 

[outback jack]

Some of the arguments on here are mind-boggling!!
Fev would be a good addition to our team. Fev is NOT Carey (i.e. not already past his best) Fev will give us a legitimate target, one which will allow the Hentschels, Watts, Messons etc.. to develop without the best defender on them.
The price for Fev will be high, but consider this one:
Fev to Adelaide
Watts & First round pick (low and traded for) to St. Kilda
Kositschke & 1st round pick From St.Kilda to Carlton

We have to do a D. Jarman type trade to pull this one off, a simple swap will not work.

Having said all that......it won't happen, Fev will stay at Carlton, but we most certainly should try everything to get him (as we should have with B. Hall when he first left the Saints)

saints wouldnt want to get screwed over like that. If that was a 'deal' i'd take kosi. That gives us the deep forward who is 22 and will peak at 26-7 when our team will actually peak. It allows us also to go for pavlich at CHF, so we'd have Kosi as the deep forward, welsh/Jerico as the leading forward, pav as CHF, throw in the birdman, maybe perrie on occasions and a davey type and its looking very nice. Saints would never ever agree to is though, you dont trade pick number 2 unless your incompetent. Gehrig's days are limited 1-2yrs so kosi would be the perfect deep replacement.

 

[tribey]

OJ, would it not be worth making a big play for one or two of Geelong's established players and youngsters who are off contract to put things into the mix if such a threeway trade was to work?

The likes of Reilly would be premium tradebait from our perspective.

 

[DJ75]

saints wouldnt want to get screwed over like that. If that was a 'deal' i'd take kosi. That gives us the deep forward who is 22 and will peak at 26-7 when our team will actually peak. It allows us also to go for pavlich at CHF, so we'd have Kosi as the deep forward, welsh/Jerico as the leading forward, pav as CHF, throw in the birdman, maybe perrie on occasions and a davey type and its looking very nice. Saints would never ever agree to is though, you dont trade pick number 2 unless your incompetent. Gehrig's days are limited 1-2yrs so kosi would be the perfect deep replacement.

Normally I would agree with you on this, but...isn't Watts dad heavily involved in St. Kilda?? There would be some emotional pull there, also, Saints may think they are getting a future gun forward in return for an injury prone forward who hasn't come on in recent years.
I know it's a long shot, but it's worth investigating. As for Pav, I can't see there being any chance of us getting him in the future as much as I would like it!
Any idea where the 'Davey' type is coming from? Perhaps Alwyn Davey currently playing for South Adelaide?

 

[outback jack]

Normally I would agree with you on this, but...isn't Watts dad heavily involved in St. Kilda?? There would be some emotional pull there, also, Saints may think they are getting a future gun forward in return for an injury prone forward who hasn't come on in recent years.
I know it's a long shot, but it's worth investigating. As for Pav, I can't see there being any chance of us getting him in the future as much as I would like it!
Any idea where the 'Davey' type is coming from? Perhaps Alwyn Davey currently playing for South Adelaide?

thats true about fergus' dad but it would be the only thing that would get it across the line. I tend to agree a little about pav although some apparently in the know here have said at 2007 hes on the way home. Freo would of made him captain by then, and i cant remember the last captain to be traded. And davey types are easy to find, you just have to draft or rookie draft 3 or 4 types something that hasnt been done by us for some reason. Kosi is always injuried imo cause that clown thomas has him playing every other position other than where he should play. If he plays a deep forward he isnt goint to get these hamstring injuries running after guys on the wing.