Brent Harvey's comments...

[Bomberman86]

Pathetic

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He might want to watch the tapes and look at a few of his hospital handballs and missed easy shots on goal before he speaks again.

Stuff like this can be the seed of massive rifts. Scott will have his work cut out for him keeping the team focussed.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Fine to put the heat on them in a team meeting. That should give them the wake-up call he feels they need. But he probably should have just stuck to the 21-25 year age group comment and left everything else to the media's interpretation. Unless, of course, they've already been down the behind-closed-doors path and the players are still doing the same things.

Let's face it, they were lambs to the slaughter this week, coming up against the reigning premiers on a day's less rest, after a trip to Perth. They've got the bye this week, then Freo at Patersons then Richmond back in Melbourne. It's one of those things where we won't know if it was the right thing to do or not until we see the response.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

Very ordinary effort whether he was right or not.

If I was Scott I would be absolutely filthy with him. Boomer hasn't really shown the true characteristics of a quality leader there. In fact he has done the opposite.

 

[beez]

To name names in a public forum isn't the appropriate thing to do, he should know better than that.

 

[LordLucifer]

I reckon there are times when you need to draw a line in the sand and speak out to get the reaction you are looking for and this was one of them. The Kangas are looking down the barrel of going out of business so the only thing that is going to help their cause is onfield success. Serve up tripe like that on a weekly basis and you are going to test the patience of even the most diehard supporters.

Sure it could of been done all 'touchy feely' in the confines of the change room but the fact is they got the bejesus smacked out of them and if they don't have the players he was referring to improve dramatically, then this won't be a one-off occurence.

Harvey cannot do it on his own, he needs some of the newbies to give him a chop-out along the way because when he does pull the pin, they are going to have to anyway.

Besides, Harvey is on the way out the door permanently so who cares what he says in his twilight period ??

 

[fairdinkum]

Generally I don't like the idea of singling people out but, having heard the interview, it struck me that Harvey might have been expressing disappointment felt not just by himself but the entire leadership group/coaching panel. I hope it is just an attempt (pre-planned) to give the players in question 'a rocket' to fire them up for the rest of the season.

It would have been good if Harvey had acknowledged that he also had a poor day. 27 stats sounds good but I was not impressed.

Also, just fwiw, absolutely no-one gave Harvey a hard tag yesterday, he was left pretty much to run free.

Yeah, looked to me like Ben Johnson was his nominal opponent, running in to centre bounces from the defensive line of the square whereas Harvey was running in from the wing. Johnson collected 23 stats (five I50, one assist) which is fairly similar to Harvey's 27 stats (six I50, zero assists).

No disrespect to Johnson but I would have expected a better return from Harvey given the circumstances.

 

[blitzer]

Saying the middle age players need to lift is fine but naming two individuals probably isn't appropriate. Its really a closed doors type thing. I wouldn't want Jobe Watson coming out in the media and saying that our younger players need to lift particularly Reimers and Jetta or something like that.

But having said that if it lights the fire into them it could end up working out, we'll have to see how they play next game.

 

[Bollox]

Never been shy about blaming others or having an excuse for himself.

Crap captain. Started last year with soppy personal excuses and this year by blaming his mates.

 

[savagelunchbox]

If anyone is going to pot players' form, it should be the coach. They're the ones responsible (well the face of those responsible) for development of these much-hyped players. Poor form by a captain. Fair enough if he'd potted the whole team but to name names is low.

Correct me if i'm wrong but Sam Mitchell never potted his players in 2009/10 after their poor form in relation to the 2008 season?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I hope it is just an attempt (pre-planned) to give the players in question 'a rocket' to fire them up for the rest of the season.

The odds of that are remote. There was nothing pre-planned about it.

 

[TownleyTime]

IMV one of the poorer AFL captains. If you have a captain who looks out for his self & favors the cheap option, you stand for little as a side.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

this is exactly what's wrong with the way north go about it, their leadership strikes me as being very impatient for success, when realistically they are still 2-3 years from being a challenger

harvey made a statement about wanting instant success iirc, and brad scott made a comment about wanting his players to 'grow up quickly'

it doesn't happen like that in the majority of cases, north still have one of the younger lists in the competition age wise and experience wise

becoming a good side, if they get there, takes time

 

[premiers07]

I think Harvey has the runs on the board to say what he likes, and reasonably expect others to help him out for once.

To single him out for one bad game and then question his captaincy is laughable.

Look at the bigger picture. Would his match have been so poor if he had half the support Collingwood players gave their team-mates yesterday? No way. If all the other cogs in the side are clicking along, Harvey can shine as his natureal game.

As it is, he's having to do everything else too.

Come on mate, his opinions clearly should be expressed one on one towards the players, not to a nation wide audience on ABC radio.. I was listening to the interview, and it seemed he was quick to direct to blame on all of the young boys, especially about Wright. who was playing up forward on a very experienced Toovey who has had around 5 years in the system. Sams a 3rd year foward who is playing arguably the hardest position on the ground. not to mention his interupted preseason where he did his hamstring and was sick for their overseas trip.. I just thing its very harsh to single out two young forwards against such a strong team (strong backline) when clearly the ball didnt come down to often. Not to mention the amount of simple kicks that were ineffective throughout the midfield.

Both Harvey and Rawlings( who did all of the meadia interviews after the game) seem to think they arent to blame. yeah they're game was a acceptable but they wern't damaging. they older boys at their club have to stick with their young players. I think we are quick to forget about collingwood in 2008 where we finished 8th, that was a period where thomas, toovey, dawes, wellingham, mcaffer were all struggling. Now all of those players are 4-5 year players and they belong.

 

[fairdinkum]

The odds of that are remote. There was nothing pre-planned about it.

You moonlight as one of our coaching panel, do you?

 

[PHX]

Shithouse from Harvey, especially given how much he ****ed up yesterday and was dismal last week.

The it wasnt me, it was someone else finger pointing wont help one bit.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

No but I listen to the radio. Harvey and another senior player were having a very heated discussion (Petrie I think) immediately after, whilst the clubs media manager tried to drag Harvey away from the interview.

Its very unlikely that there was a coordinated approach here. Harvey did it on his own and unauthorised.

 

[The Casey Cat]

I did not like the comments. Especially considering a number of their experienced players were just as poor. Edwards refusal to try and tackle or apply any sort of forward pressure was disgusting. Wells did bugger all. Petrie looked short of a gallop but gave little. Harvey himself missed quite a few easy chances and did not see him lay many tackles either.

 

[Spurk]

this is exactly what's wrong with the way north go about it, their leadership strikes me as being very impatient for success, when realistically they are still 2-3 years from being a challenger

harvey made a statement about wanting instant success iirc, and brad scott made a comment about wanting his players to 'grow up quickly'

it doesn't happen like that in the majority of cases, north still have one of the younger lists in the competition age wise and experience wise

becoming a good side, if they get there, takes time

Probably something in all that.

Harvey is chirping at the bit to get a flag before he retires.

Scott has the competition with his brother and Rawlings is winding up as well.

The way they use a quick fix forward structure with an unreliable squib permanently at full forward and get the ball in Rawlings hands as much as possible is the beginning of the end for building something substantial.

Going nowhere fast and there are major question marks on the intelligence of the coaching staff.

Certainly wouldn't want the current crew building the roads or bridges.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

He's calling his players out, I think its great

 

[IDIG]

Poor form for Boomer who i'm a big fan of. Kind of disappointing tbh and he'd definitely be regretful today but it's said now so hopefully fires his lads up.

No doubt, frustrated as all f*ck.

 

[weagles_fan]

It's pretty unfair singling them out when he clearly stated all players within 21-25 age bracket need to improve. The only justification he can have with this is having talked to them prior to saying this and having them agree to him mentioning their names.

 

[Spurk]

Poor form for Boomer who i'm a big fan of. Kind of disappointing tbh and he'd definitely be regretful today but it's said now so hopefully fires his lads up.

No doubt, frustrated as all f*ck.

Yep, shit happens.

All these issues would disappear if the forwards had a role.

The talls need to be given some responsibility in the forward half and the smalls need to be rotated through there.

As it is, the forward line is either just Lindsay Thomas or empty. Midfielders are expected to run forward and kick over Thomas' head or hit him on a lead.

Last week forwards in Warren and McKinley were dumped, this week Edwards had a shocker (subbed off) and Wright and Hansen were sprayed publically.

Wells and Harvey had probably a few minutes up forward and missed chances with their fleeting moments in the sun.

Shockingly bad coaching that is rippling through every forward as well as the midfield.

Hansen only really spent 10 minutes as true key forward yesterday and kicked 2 goals in that time. The remainder he played as a half forward or a chf that pushed right up the ground.

Wright was in no mans land.

Boomer should get a brain and demand some forward time as well for Wells, Adams and Wright.

The season will be soon over with some of the dumbest football have witnessed in a long time.

 

[Sasuke]

When i heard it live on the radio, i thought it was disgraceful. I thought it was interesting that his priority was to defend the older players such as wells and Edwards and criticise the young players.

He also pointed out that Collingwood have young players such as beams and Sidebottom performing, but you have to understand the senior players around them. Wells and Harvey are two of the main senior midfielders in the team. They both are not performing to the level of Swan and Pendlebury. I would argue they don't even have as much impact of Collingwood's second tiers in Wellingham and co. Edwards does not have as much impact as Cloke or Dawes. The defense is the same. If you put guys like Swallow, Cunnington and co into collingwoods team, they would excel. The problem is at North the senior players are nowhere near as effective as those in the top 4. Their young players are good, but they are not ready to be taking on all the responsibility. If collingwood lost pendles, swan and ball, look how less good our young mids would look having to take the whole game on.

 

[sabre_ac]

I've got no problems with it, I'd love Pavlich to come out and put the pressure on Johnson.