Brent Harvey's comments...

[Go_Dogs]

Pretty selfish comments from Harvey.

Younger players always struggle for consistency, and not all are going to develop into bona fide AFL players. Wright is just a young bloke learning the trade, and Hansen whilst he hasn't realy found that next level yet has had his fair share of injuries over the years which haven't helped him. Both can certainly still make it, and although without knowing the inner workings its difficult to pass judgment, I can't see how punting them is going to do much.

 

[Spurk]

Strange comments in some ways with both guys playing out of position.

Wouldn't be surprised if other minority types were meant to share some of the spray but you can't say things like Lindsay Thomas is a pea heart and the coaches are wrecking the club playing him in a paddock or even at all.

 

[The Zebra]

So SLF, let me ask you this.

Are you happy with the last part of the interview, in which Harvey seems to indicate he thinks it would be his job to go to the coach and say "Scotty, me and the other senior guys think were doing whats required but <insert young player name> isnt in our view, so were refusing to play with him. Dont pick him or else."

Why are you so appalled at the notion that the senior players would not want to play with someone who was not pulling their weight?

They are professional sportsmen who want to win, not carry passengers.

 

[WoGiTaLiA]

I have absolutely no problem with it. Plenty of the better sides have done similar things, I'm not sure though with his start to the season that Harvey is the one who should be saying it but someone has to say it, North have a lot of talented kids that just consistently fail to produce.

Fact is that both Wright and Hansen's efforts have been pretty poor so far, so to single them out was not unjust. They have 6 tackles between them, just as an example, Tom Liberatore had that in the 1st quarter on the weekend. You can't expect to win if your team isn't tackling and making efforts, especialy against teams with more talent.

You just have to look at the tackle stats to get a great indication of why the Roos have been so bad. Compared with Collingwood the Pies have 9 players with more tackles than the Roos second leading tackler. The 16th leading tackler at the Pies would be 8th at the Roos, and that guy was a sub in one of the games for the Pies. The Roos just aren't working hard enough or going hard enough. Outside of Swallow they are just getting annihilated in that side of the game. Guys like Atley, Ziebell, Hansen, Wright, Rawlings, Edwards, McKinley, Warren, Wells, Garlett and Thomas just have to get far better at this aspect of the game if the Roos want to have any chance against good teams.

So fair enough by Harvey to be calling out the young guys, tackling is not a talent issue, it is a workrate, heart and desire issue, if you want to tackle you will, if you don't you wont but don't expect to win games if well over half your team is performing in the "pathetic" category for that stat.

 

[Spurk]

I have absolutely no problem with it. Plenty of the better sides have done similar things, I'm not sure though with his start to the season that Harvey is the one who should be saying it but someone has to say it, North have a lot of talented kids that just consistently fail to produce.

Fact is that both Wright and Hansen's efforts have been pretty poor so far, so to single them out was not unjust. They have 6 tackles between them, just as an example, Tom Liberatore had that in the 1st quarter on the weekend. You can't expect to win if your team isn't tackling and making efforts, especialy against teams with more talent.

You just have to look at the tackle stats to get a great indication of why the Roos have been so bad. Compared with Collingwood the Pies have 9 players with more tackles than the Roos second leading tackler. The 16th leading tackler at the Pies would be 8th at the Roos, and that guy was a sub in one of the games for the Pies. The Roos just aren't working hard enough or going hard enough. Outside of Swallow they are just getting annihilated in that side of the game. Guys like Atley, Ziebell, Hansen, Wright, Rawlings, Edwards, McKinley, Warren, Wells, Garlett and Thomas just have to get far better at this aspect of the game if the Roos want to have any chance against good teams.

So fair enough by Harvey to be calling out the young guys, tackling is not a talent issue, it is a workrate, heart and desire issue, if you want to tackle you will, if you don't you wont but don't expect to win games if well over half your team is performing in the "pathetic" category for that stat.

Well said.


The side managed 54 inside 50's on the weekend. Won the hitouts.

The failure is occuring in the forward line.

The Last year or so has seen the coaches develop a love affair with having Lindsay Thomas one out in the forward line.

In other words they settle for a cheap goal or two at the expense of the ability to stand up or even be competitive against top 4 teams.

They continually fail in final quarters and can't win by more than a few goals.

The coaches really deserve every flogging they get, but unfortunately these morons running the club get paid.

The coaching and gameplan for some unknown reason revolves around Lindsay Thomas. He pushes other forwards out of the forward line and has been given free reign by those in charge.

Last week McKinley was hung out to dry and dropped, Warren the same. Both are virtually playing midfield due to the space Thomas is given.

This week our full forward wasn't even allowed past CHF and Hansen and Wright hardly went forward.

Edwards was close to worst on ground and goal kicking midfielders have no forward rotations and have struggled to get their game going.

All this because they see Thomas as Carey, roaming between the goal square and CHF in a paddock.

I'm not joking, this is what's happening.

Yes the same Lindsay Thomas that is the softest, most pathetic player in the game.

The fraud that fakes injury and spends the game with his head down and hands on hips.

The clown that hogs the ball and gives away frees at will after spraying the ball out of bounds, the turkey that gets brushed aside when tackling, the weird little guy who his only skill is luck.

Yes, this is the shinboners of 2011.

 

[jezaroo]

Gee Spurk you're stating to sound like a broken record! We get it you don't like Lindsay.

The fact is that LT is frustrating at times much like Milne has been most of his career, but the thing is they can deliver and like or not but Lindsay has been our best forward for the last couple of years, and will remain so until someone steps up and takes the mantle.

 

[Spurk]

Gee Spurk you're stating to sound like a broken record! We get it you don't like Lindsay.

The fact is that LT is frustrating at times much like Milne has been most of his career, but the thing is they can deliver and like or not but Lindsay has been our best forward for the last couple of years, and will remain so until someone steps up and takes the mantle.

Hate to say it but Milne is a far better squib.

With the golden ride and lack of expectations on Thomas almost anyone could do as much if not more.

Club is going nowhere fast, disgraceful coaching on the weekend and watching Thomas fraud his way around the paddock ducking his head, pretending to huff and puff then shrugging off drinks, laying down, missing easy goals, limping then sprinting, missing tackles...

It's all too much! The side has no heart, and he's half the reason.

 

[tazaa]

Boomers comments were directed towards all the younger players.
I have no doubt that he named Lachy and Sam Wright because they were the ones that come to mind. Maybe because they were forward players.
Maybe because he remembers them stuffing up during the game. Maybe because when being interviewed they were the two faces he saw first.
I have no doubt inhouse all the players copped it. But its just that Boomer named those two it will create all this attention. And im happy it has. Honestly after a 5 day break coming up against the Pies who had a 7 day break and we were coming back from Perth if we lost by 6 goals id be contempt with that. 15 goals losses hav occured too regularly and after we pumped ourselves up so much it was the one thing that was not acceptable. It happened. We failed. Im pretty sre the whole club should have know shit would hit the fan. It has. Adversity is there. Weve got two weeks to see the response we get

 

[MightyTiger]

Why are you so appalled at the notion that the senior players would not want to play with someone who was not pulling their weight?

They are professional sportsmen who want to win, not carry passengers.

Did you miss Harveys game against West Coast?

And wasn't exactly any good himself against Collingwood either.

 

[Dan]

The only difference between Harvey's thoughts and any other captains thoughts on his players after a thumping..........Harvey's was aired on radio.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Desperate stuff from Harvey, trying to devert attention away from his own poor form.

 

[Blues_Man]

The only difference between Harvey's thoughts and any other captains thoughts on his players after a thumping..........Harvey's was aired on radio.

Which is why it is wrong....if you have a problem with other players not pulling their weight then you tell them face to face or even in a team meeting ..don't go belittling them in the media .

Poor form by Harvey and pretty weak considering his own form this year .

 

[Dan]

Which is why it is wrong....if you have a problem with other players not pulling their weight then you tell them face to face or even in a team meeting ..don't go belittling them in the media .

Poor form by Harvey and pretty weak considering his own form this year .

I have no doubt himself and the coach will or have done that at some point this week to most if not all the 22 that played on Saturday.

 

[Consolaçao]

Maybe I can give Boomer the benefit of the doubt as a veteran, and assume it was a calculated act, carried out in the knowledge that these two players are the types that would use a comment like that to motivate themselves.
If that's not a case, absolutely sh**house thing to say on radio after a game.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

To all the North supporters pretending this was some pre-meditated and co-ordinated attack from the players and the coaching staff

"It will never happen again," Scott said.
"He's apologised to the players concerned.
"It's totally out of character. He's unbelievably supportive of our young guys. It was born out of frustration and embarrassment.
"He made a mistake and it was dealt with very quickly.
"We certainly won't tolerate people putting the blame on individuals.
"He meant to say, 'players like Lachie Hansen, players like Sam Wright'."

 

[Dan]

^^^ That makes sense.

 

[Crow-mo]

there are *ALWAYS* cliques in a footy team.

but gee whiz, wedging them farther apart isn't the way forward.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

Brent Harvey sums up everything that is wrong with North Melbourne, by making those comments.

 

[Too_many_talls]

I heard it last night for the first time. He was genuinely fuming. He may regret the words (and players) he chose but I felt a lot better hearing this from him - it was a stinker of a performance and nice to know that it hurt the players as much as it hurt the supporters!!

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

His coach forced him to apologise to the players yesterday.

Could well be a worse leader than Brad Johnson.

Very unprofessional, but given the environment in which he works, it's sort of fitting.

 

[maddog37]

His coach forced him to apologise to the players yesterday.

Could well be a worse leader than Brad Johnson.

Very unprofessional, but given the environment in which he works, it's sort of fitting.

Yep, shame we could not have had a great leader like Vandenberg.

 

[Thommo 42]

Thats a strange troll. Richie may not have been a great player, but he was an excellent captain.

It would seem that Boomer is skipper due to playing ability, not leadership ability - sometimes the two become easily confused.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

Thats a strange troll. Richie may not have been a great player, but he was an excellent captain.

It would seem that Boomer is skipper due to playing ability, not leadership ability - sometimes the two become easily confused.

You can always tell from the outside, of course. I can't decide if Brad Scott or other clubs' supporters have a better idea of whether Harvey is the man for the job.

I think what Boomer said was unwise, but, like Too_many_talls, I'm not that fussed he was too angry and upset from Saturday's game that he didn't choose his words well.

I don't think the apology should have gone through the media either, it was just giving people who made too much of it in the first place a sense of satisfaction - and a coach and President publicly criticising their captain is no better than a captain bagging other players on radio. This kind of thing should either be kept in house or it shouldn't, and if you think it should stay behind closed doors then it's hypocritical to use the media to criticise Harvey.

Boomer could have set his wife onto the underperformers, that would have been something worth apologising for.

 

[Blues_Man]

Boomer could have set his wife onto the underperformers, that would have been something worth apologising for.

So i take it she has been giving it to Harvey for his underperforming ??


Harvey would want to hope his form improves or he could come out of this whole sorry mess looking really really stupid .

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

Very unprofessional, but given the environment in which he works, it's sort of fitting.

If only North was as well run as Hawthorn where players OD on drugs and the President is forever trying to meddle with the footy dept.

Turn it up or take it to the Bay.