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Roast Brent Maccaffer

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He has done some pretty good jobs but I've said it for a while now that our centre square work suffers with only 2 designated mids at the centre bounces + Macaffer.

We should go head to head with our best midfield group at centre bounces and then get Caff to pick up his direct opponent from there.

He shouldn't start in the middle at restarts.
 
HFF said:
He has done some pretty good jobs but I've said it for a while now that our centre square work suffers with only 2 designated mids at the centre bounces + Macaffer.

We should go head to head with our best midfield group at centre bounces and then get Caff to pick up his direct opponent from there.

He shouldn't start in the middle at restarts.
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But the opposition could double team Cloke allot easier with one less forward.
 
sloth6 said:
Not even in crowleys league.

The writing was on the wall after dangerfield took him to the cleaners.

Griffen tore him a new one and was the most influential player on the ground apart from cloke.
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Actually he is the best tager in the comp at the moment. If anything crowley is not in his league.
Got beaten today but overall he has had a great year
 

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Very poor game from Macaffer.

The problem with him is that when he loses against his direct opponent, he doesn't offer anything going the other way. Unlike some other taggers who can win their own ball, Macaffer is a pure shut down player.

I think it was a very tough game to tag in because it was played at a break neck speed. Pendlebury was also tagged and he broke it as well. Wallis has been good in recent weeks but stood no chance.

Macaffer is suited to a player like Griffen as he has ran with guys like Johnson and Cotchin this year. However, I think in this match he would've been better suited going to a forward flank or locking down on Macrae.

Big test for him next week against either Lewis or Burgoyne.
 
DaVe86 said:
Big test for him next week against either Lewis or Burgoyne.
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I'd think he'd go to Lewis because it suits him better. Taggers that can hurt players the other way work better on Burgoyne.
 
There's no doubt that Macaffer is a good tagger and calls for him to be dropped are ridiculous. Since Round 2 you'd say he has won the all of his battles except for two (Dangerfield and Griffin) and by "won" we mean cutting down his opponent's disposal count.

BUT while he is good at restricting the disposal count he should not be played at centre clearances where we have been getting well beaten way too often.

Here are the centre clearances won by the player he tagged versus their averages in brackets*:
Rd 2 Kieren Jack: 1 centre clearance (1.5 average)
Rd 3 Steve Johnson: 1 (1.7)
Rd 4 Trent Cotchin: 3 (2.2)
Rd 5 Nick Dal Santo: 1 (1.2)
Rd 6 Jobe Watson: 2 (3.5)
Rd 7 Marc Murphy: 3 (1.4)
Rd 9 Patrick Dangerfield: 4 (3.2)
Rd 10 Luke Shuey: 1 (1.9)
Rd 11 Jack Steven: 3 (2.8)
Rd 12 Dom Tyson: 0 (1.2)
Rd 13 Ryan Griffen: 8 (2.5)
Total: 27 (23.1)

Firstly from the total he has actually allowed MORE centre clearances than the sum of his opponents averages.

Secondly those highlighted in red are games where his opponent got more centre clearances than their average. One of those was Cotchin where Caf received a lot of praise, yet when it came to centre clearances Cotchin still managed to top his average.

Thirdly Macaffer himself has a pitiful 6 centre clearances TOTAL for the season so he offers nothing if he's not stopping his man :thumbsdown:

Basically Macaffer is good at clamping down on his opponent around the ground, but there is no good reason why he should be started in the centre square, effectively leaving us a man short for the important clearance. Instead play him outside and let him zero in on his man once the ball is bounced :thumbsu:

*Although he may not have taken his opponent for every single centre bounce from observation it would be the majority. In any case the numbers do not match up with his overall influence on restricting disposals.
 
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mike123 said:
When Maccaffer wins his tagging battle it is pretty much a draw because Maccaffer isn't anymore effective than the person he tags. When Maccaffer loses his tagging battle we are almost playing one man down.
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Ridiculous logic. If Caff wins his tagging battle they lose their best mid and we don't.
 
TradeDraft said:
Has not been good since the Tigers games vs Cotchin and the Media put him thru the Ringer
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Disagree TD.
He did a good job on Dal Santo (Rd 5), Watson (Rd 6), Shuey (Rd 10), Steven (Rd 11), and Dyson (Rd 12). He has been very good overall in restricting disposals, but much less effective restricting centre clearances, which was my point.
 
DaVe86 said:
Very poor game from Macaffer.

Macaffer is suited to a player like Griffen as he has ran with guys like Johnson and Cotchin this year. However, I think in this match he would've been better suited going to a forward flank or locking down on Macrae.

Big test for him next week against either Lewis or Burgoyne.
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Not really true, Caff got torn up by Griffin last year even worse than yesterday and Dangerfield this year, he is not suited to powerful burst players who can accelerate away from a contest.
Caff's go is more a Cotchin Johnson or Dal Santo, players who rely on workrate and smarts but are not overly quick and don't bust through traffic.
 

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SuperSub17 said:
Interesting, dominated last week.

When he has a good matchup he's fine. Don't know why he didn't go to Liberatore
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That's what I thought. Was getting towelled up by Griffen so probably should have gone to Liberatore to stop some inside supply.
 
mike123 said:
When Maccaffer wins his tagging battle it is pretty much a draw because Maccaffer isn't anymore effective than the person he tags. When Maccaffer loses his tagging battle we are almost playing one man down.
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Sorry but that's crap. Cafe has in so many assignments sliced leading opposition mid possession by a third or more. He also uses the ball pretty well IMO.
 
piedpiper32 said:
There's no doubt that Macaffer is a good tagger and calls for him to be dropped are ridiculous. Since Round 2 you'd say he has won the all of his battles except for two (Dangerfield and Griffin) and by "won" we mean cutting down his opponent's disposal count.

BUT while he is good at restricting the disposal count he should not be played at centre clearances where we have been getting well beaten way too often.

Here are the centre clearances won by the player he tagged versus their averages in brackets*:
Rd 2 Kieren Jack: 1 centre clearance (1.5 average)
Rd 3 Steve Johnson: 1 (1.7)
Rd 4 Trent Cotchin: 3 (2.2)
Rd 5 Nick Dal Santo: 1 (1.2)
Rd 6 Jobe Watson: 2 (3.5)
Rd 7 Marc Murphy: 3 (1.4)
Rd 9 Patrick Dangerfield: 4 (3.2)
Rd 10 Luke Shuey: 1 (1.9)
Rd 11 Jack Steven: 3 (2.8)
Rd 12 Dom Tyson: 0 (1.2)
Rd 13 Ryan Griffen: 8 (2.5)
Total: 27 (23.1)

Firstly from the total he has actually allowed MORE centre clearances than the sum of his opponents averages.

Secondly those highlighted in red are games where his opponent got more centre clearances than their average. One of those was Cotchin where Caf received a lot of praise, yet when it came to centre clearances Cotchin still managed to top his average.

Thirdly Macaffer himself has a pitiful 6 centre clearances TOTAL for the season so he offers nothing if he's not stopping his man :thumbsdown:

Basically Macaffer is good at clamping down on his opponent around the ground, but there is no good reason why he should be started in the centre square, effectively leaving us a man short for the important clearance. Instead play him outside and let him zero in on his man once the ball is bounced :thumbsu:

*Although he may not have taken his opponent for every single centre bounce from observation it would be the majority. In any case the numbers do not match up with his overall influence on restricting disposals.
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If we look at the centre clearances, really, the red looks alarming but the only significant one is Griffen. Cotchin, Dangerfield, Steven are all sub 1 clearance. And as your asterix alludes to, that differential may be a matter of another opponent in the centre and account for that small differential.

I think it's an interesting point you make, and you accept he restricts them in general play - which is more significant, or perhaps scores from clearances are less significant, whichever way you want to read it - but there is a problem with your proposal. Besides the headache involved in switching opponents post the centre bounce, it's also worth considering that outside a centre clearance with the first touch, Cafe can stop them getting the 2nd disposal in a 1, 2 and from then running forward.

He can get his own ball too. Cafeteria is no slouch. I reckon he's not far behind Crowley as a negator and I'd wager he has more offensive hurt factor.
 
SuperSub17 said:
Interesting, dominated last week.

When he has a good matchup he's fine. Don't know why he didn't go to Liberatore
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This. He should only ever go to the number 1 inside mid from the opposition. If a player is quick by foot and extremely strong through the core such as Danger or Griffen then he can't tag them. That's why he's perfect for your Cotchin, Murphy types. Why he didn't go to Libba at any stage yesterday staggers me.

Would like to see him play a forward tag on a Birchall or Burgoyne next week. He can also go with Burger on ball.
 
BEEG said:
Griffin didn't have a great game
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He was BOG by the length of the Flemington straight before he hurt his leg.

Listening on the radio in the 2nd quarter and Griff was something like 17possies, a goal and 6 clearances. If he didn't get injured he wouldn't ended up with about 40 touches. Let's not kid ourselves.

A tagger is important, as long as he has a suitable match up. Caff is strong but not quick. He needs to go to one paced mids who can't spread from him easily.

I fear what one G.Ablett Jnr is going to do to us in a few weeks.
 
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I don't blame Bucks for putting him on Griffen. The job he did on Griffen was quite early last year and he was still learning his craft.

It was a good test for him and shows he has a lot to learn still in the role.

I agree with earlier comments though to keep him out of the centre. Much better to put 3 gun clearace players in there
 
Cafe held Cotchin to 13d and 46% efficiency. So if Cotchin gets 0.8 more centre clearances a game than his average, I think it's fair to say you'd happily concede that.
 
The centre clearance stat is also deceptive on Murphy where it presents on centre clearances as a win. He got double his average centre clearances with 3, but 6d less than his average with 20.
 
Markfs said:
Terrible by the Caf. I've always said that he wasn't a tagger. Well, I've said that since Sunday afternoon at least.
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