Toast Brent Stanton

[Summer Nights]

Support Richmond..wtf are u talking about?



I'm not looking forward to 'Stants' playing poorly. I'm saying lets not throw a ####ing party when Brent plays a blinder against a side that's in shocking ,bad form.

This is why this board has gone to shit. Just a bunch of sheep all tapping away, holding hands clapping and cheering and agreeing with each other and if someone has a different view......well look out! You might get an aggressive reply from the Essendon board enforcer...the great Ben 'the Famous DT'er' Gooner.

I've seen enough football in my life to know what a soft player looks like.

You blokes are blind. When the time comes to take the hard path in a contest, Stanton can't pass the test.

Even Mark Bolton had more guts than B.S..less talent, but more guts.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Yes this is the incident I was refering to.

What do you think Hocking would have done in this situation? He wouldn't have thought twice about putting his body on the line.

This is why I don't think Stanton should be built up as some sort of overly courageous player.

I don't think anyone is building him up to be a Hocking type tough guy, but he's certainly not soft like Houli either.

 

[SirJimi05]

I don't think anyone is building him up to be a Hocking type tough guy, but he's certainly not soft like Houli either.

Have you read this thread?

 

[Ben the Gooner]

Yeah, I have. There's different levels of tough, different levels of soft.

Stanton isn't the toughest bloke out there by any stretch, but he's not soft, and I don't think anyone can really dispute that.

 

[Valve Bounce]

3rd qtr, scoreboard clock was about 8 mins in, not sure on replay clock or if it was on the tv camera but commentators on ABC (Knights included) all saw it, i easily saw it from the southern stand. Ball was kicked outside 50 Stanton under the drop of it Richmond player running towards him from behind, Stanton turns his back on the ball and watches the Richmond player mark uncontested. The commentators all said he should of gone, 100% agree.

You got me there - I was watching the game from a hospital bed on a small TV. I have the recording and will check it out.

 

[windyhill]

Yeah, I have. There's different levels of tough, different levels of soft.

Stanton isn't the toughest bloke out there by any stretch, but he's not soft, and I don't think anyone can really dispute that.

When supporters take a set against a player almost every time the first thing they will grab onto is that they are soft. Brent Stanton is not a hard nut, we all know this, we , like all clubs have those hard nut types, not every player is a kamikaze, it would make absolutely no sense.
You would think having 13 tackles on Sat.night, might also show some of these clowns that you could never put him in the soft bracket. He was brilliant on Saturday, yet again, but blinded clowns will be blinded clowns.

 

[TheDon35]

Played very well on Saturday night. IMO his most complete game of the year. Tackline was a standout.

The arguement about him being physically tough / real body on the line player is a waste of time. It's like arguing that he's fast. It's not the issue.

What he brings is an extremely hard working attitude and the ability to find the footy all over the ground and wear the game down over the 4 quarters.

Plenty of deficiencies within his game but hard to argue he's not a valueable member of the setup.

 

[Valve Bounce]

3rd qtr, scoreboard clock was about 8 mins in, not sure on replay clock or if it was on the tv camera but commentators on ABC (Knights included) all saw it, i easily saw it from the southern stand. Ball was kicked outside 50 Stanton under the drop of it Richmond player running towards him from behind, Stanton turns his back on the ball and watches the Richmond player mark uncontested. The commentators all said he should of gone, 100% agree.

OK! found it and watched it several times including slo-mo several times. The most generous explanation I can give is that it was a case of poor judgement and leave it at that. It was very ordinary and I was not impressed. But then the rest of the game, he played his heart out, so I'll leave it there.

 

[yaco55]

Think that you cant take moments in isolation when looking at a players game - all players make errors in all games - whether it is disposal, thinking, defence, communication, hardness etc - Need to look at a game as a total package.

The other problem with these threads is that Stanton haters will highlight any error and Stanton lovers will highlight any good bit of play.

 

[SirJimi05]

When supporters take a set against a player almost every time the first thing they will grab onto is that they are soft. Brent Stanton is not a hard nut, we all know this, we , like all clubs have those hard nut types, not every player is a kamikaze, it would make absolutely no sense.
You would think having 13 tackles on Sat.night, might also show some of these clowns that you could never put him in the soft bracket. He was brilliant on Saturday, yet again, but blinded clowns will be blinded clowns.

If this rant was directed at me you might wanna read my posts on Stanton.

Stanton is a good footballer.

I only pointed out his squib effort on Saturday after posters were building him up to be some sort of courageous player. Are you trying to say that he didn't pull out of a contest when he should have gone? Did you watch the game? Seems to me that you are watching games with goggles on. You are abviously extremely pro Stanton and can't take any contructive critisism regarding his game.

Do you seriously think that a high tackle count has any bearing on whether he squibs contests or not?

 

[Valve Bounce]

Stants played that well for the entire game that, maybe we can overlook and forgive this one brain fade?

 

[SirJimi05]

Stants played that well for the entire game that, maybe we can overlook and forgive this one brain fade?

Sorry my bad.

Absolutely fantastic game by Stants. Best on ground for mine. Put his head over every single contest and was as courageous as ever.

 

[Kong]

Who are you actually whinging towards, SJ05?

 

[windyhill]

If this rant was directed at me you might wanna read my posts on Stanton.

Stanton is a good footballer.

I only pointed out his squib effort on Saturday after posters were building him up to be some sort of courageous player. Are you trying to say that he didn't pull out of a contest when he should have gone? Did you watch the game? Seems to me that you are watching games with goggles on. You are abviously extremely pro Stanton and can't take any contructive critisism regarding his game.

Do you seriously think that a high tackle count has any bearing on whether he squibs contests or not?

You must have missed the bit where I said " Brent Stanton is not a hard nut" and then you go on about putting goggles on ! I know his strengths I know his weaknesses. I`ll say it again jimbo, to have a team full of hard nuts makes zero sense, a team is made up of different types. Bryce Gibbs is no hard nut, but he is brilliant at what he does and he will definetly avoid body contact if possible, and on the other hand Mitch Robinson is absolutely mental and just adds to carltons mix.
Stanton will never be crash and bash if this is your problem with him,either give up or keep torturing yourself.

 

[SirJimi05]

Who said anything about having a team full of hard nuts? Going when it is your turn to go doesn't make you a hard nut. It is a basic pre requisite of being an AFL footballer these days.

If we are ever going to be a dominant team we need to have 22 players that go when they have to, 100% of the time. Not 4 times and then squib it on the 5th.

To Stanton's credit he has cut down these 'moments' quite a bit. It used to happen with regularity, now it is just every so often.

 

[SirJimi05]

Played very well on Saturday night. IMO his most complete game of the year. Tackline was a standout.

The arguement about him being physically tough / real body on the line player is a waste of time. It's like arguing that he's fast. It's not the issue.

What he brings is an extremely hard working attitude and the ability to find the footy all over the ground and wear the game down over the 4 quarters.

Plenty of deficiencies within his game but hard to argue he's not a valueable member of the setup.

I'd agree with basically all of this and I'm not arguing that he's not a valuable member of our setup. He is clearly still one of our better player. I've always said I rate him.

People have just become so sensitive of the Stanton situation that they have trouble with anybody that has any sort of criticism of his game. They take it as an attack and think you must be one of the Stanton haters.

Just on your second paragraph. I understand Stanton is never going to be a tough type of player. I accept that. He has positives which make up for it. The only thing I'm saying is that he should never ever squib a contest when it is his turn to go. It's just not good enough. I don't expect him to crash packs or throw his weight around but I do expect that he will put his body on the line when it is needed.

I don't think anybody in the team should be immune to this.

 

[windyhill]

Who said anything about having a team full of hard nuts? Going when it is your turn to go doesn't make you a hard nut. It is a basic pre requisite of being an AFL footballer these days.

If we are ever going to be a dominant team we need to have 22 players that go when they have to, 100% of the time. Not 4 times and then squib it on the 5th.

To Stanton's credit he has cut down these 'moments' quite a bit. It used to happen with regularity, now it is just every so often.

Mate, it happens in every game at every level of football every weekend.

 

[SirJimi05]

Mate, it happens in every game at every level of football every weekend.

Rubbish.

 

[windyhill]

Rubbish.

What can you say to that ? Have you ever pulled the boots on or watched local football ?

 

[SirJimi05]

What can you say to that ? Have you ever pulled the boots on or watched local football ?

Yeah mate, and I've played with and against some handy footballers. A few of them played AFL.

FWIW I'm not disputing that this happens all the time in the lower levels. Of course it does.

I'm saying your having a laugh if you think every single AFL game that is played, involves atleast 1 incident of a player squibbing it the way Stanton did on the weekend. It doesn't happen that often at all.

Did you actually see the incident I'm refering to?

 

[Pweter]

Yeah mate, and I've played with and against some handy footballers. A few of them played AFL.

FWIW I'm not disputing that this happens all the time in the lower levels. Of course it does.

I'm saying your having a laugh if you think every single AFL game that is played, involves atleast 1 incident of a player squibbing it the way Stanton did on the weekend. It doesn't happen that often at all.

Did you actually see the incident I'm refering to?

I know the incident.

Aaron Davey did it earlier in the year and when fit he is one of Melbourne's best.

Prismall did it twice in the last quarter against Carlton, one resulting in an inside 50 and the other a goal. You could argue they cost us the game but because it wasn't Stanton not much is made of it.

Bryce Gibbs has squibbed at various times of his career, embarrassingly one in a contested situation against Milne, but he is a vital player for Carlton.

They are examples that spring to mind readily.

Stanton did it on Saturday, but as you have said he is far better in this area now than ever before (WCE game anybody, polaxed by Kennedy).

It happens, not all the time but it does happen. I don't like when my players do it but have to accept they will from time to time. They are humans. Every human makes mistakes.

Very few are arguing that Stanton had a poor game, it is just ****ing annoying when a toast thread is made and some w***ers come in here and isolate 1 second of the entire game to try prove their piss weak case that Stanton is useless. I recognise you're not one of these SJ05, you have said he played a good game but enough of banging on about 1 incident.

For the record, I hope when anyone else does likewise a thread is made about it by the naysayers and they flame the player in question. All we ask from our players is consistency, would be good if some people could reflect this in their posting.

 

[Valve Bounce]

Yeah mate, and I've played with and against some handy footballers. A few of them played AFL.

FWIW I'm not disputing that this happens all the time in the lower levels. Of course it does.

I'm saying your having a laugh if you think every single AFL game that is played, involves atleast 1 incident of a player squibbing it the way Stanton did on the weekend. It doesn't happen that often at all.

Did you actually see the incident I'm refering to?

Mate! I lay awake for hours last night (I have a dicky ticker) and all that went through my mind was Sir Jim. This is true. So I tried to think, and finally the answer came to me in a flash, literally. Stants was looking up during that passage and his eyes were caught by the glare from the floodlights and in that instant, Stants thought he was in the headlights of a Nissan Patrol 4WD and about to be run down. This caused instant brain fade and Stants got the staggers.

What do you think?

 

[TheDon35]

What also impressed me about his game on Saturday was his kicking. Much better disposal and if he could do that everyweek his complete package as an outside mid would be that much more valuable.

 

[yaco55]

What also impressed me about his game on Saturday was his kicking. Much better disposal and if he could do that everyweek his complete package as an outside mid would be that much more valuable.

Don

Think that Stanton's kicking has been consistent for the last 3 weeks.

As I have stated earlier, Kicking is the least of his worries.

 

[SirJimi05]

I know the incident.

Aaron Davey did it earlier in the year and when fit he is one of Melbourne's best.

Prismall did it twice in the last quarter against Carlton, one resulting in an inside 50 and the other a goal. You could argue they cost us the game but because it wasn't Stanton not much is made of it.

Bryce Gibbs has squibbed at various times of his career, embarrassingly one in a contested situation against Milne, but he is a vital player for Carlton.

They are examples that spring to mind readily.

Stanton did it on Saturday, but as you have said he is far better in this area now than ever before (WCE game anybody, polaxed by Kennedy).

It happens, not all the time but it does happen. I don't like when my players do it but have to accept they will from time to time. They are humans. Every human makes mistakes.

Aaron Davey is a squib, Alwyn Davey is a squib (can't really blame him) and Prismall is a squib. Not really sure how highlighting examples from proven squibs does anything for the arguement.

Gibbs had an incident when he was a kid but other than that his has been pretty good in that regard. I'd be happy for you to point out a more recent example of him totally squibbing it. I watch Carlton as much as I watch Essendon but I can't think of any times where he has.

There are some players that are serial offenders. You have listed 3 of them. This doesn't mean that it happens in every game, all the time.

Mate! I lay awake for hours last night (I have a dicky ticker) and all that went through my mind was Sir Jim. This is true. So I tried to think, and finally the answer came to me in a flash, literally. Stants was looking up during that passage and his eyes were caught by the glare from the floodlights and in that instant, Stants thought he was in the headlights of a Nissan Patrol 4WD and about to be run down. This caused instant brain fade and Stants got the staggers.

What do you think?

Haha sounds good to me!