Brereton: Comment Of The Century

[gPhonque]

"You know, one thing about Scott West - he's not a good player when he hasn't got the ball."

 

[DEES RULE!]

Originally posted by gPhonque
"You know, one thing about Scott West - he's not a good player when he hasn't got the ball."

LOL.... gee he figures?!

 

[PiesPremiers]

that makes sense....

whats wrong with that comment?? its fair, and logical...

i hate derm.. but theres nothin wrong with that

a good player isnt JUST made up of good disposals... a good player is a leader, a good player is one that will put his body on the line, and shepherd off the ball...

theres alot of things that can be done without the ball....

 

[Danny Chook Fan Club]

Dermott is spot on with that comment.

Blokes like Dustin Fletcher and Jonathan Hay are brilliant players when they haven't got the ball. Their position, spoiling, chasing, tackling and overall pressure are fantastic.

Tony Woods is a pretty good player when he hasn't got the ball - he's a bloody shocker when he does get it.

West is a fine ball gatherer, but he doesn't do a lot the other way, an aspect of his game masked by the excellent defensive midfield pressure of the likes of Liberatore, Romero & Contessa.

So if you're going to go on a point scoring exercise on Dermott, you'll have to try a bit harder this time.

 

[gPhonque]

All very fair comments. I knew i'd had too many red wines.......

But it was just the way he said it.....

And i like Dermie. He knows his footy, unlike Walls and Co. (and myself after too many red wines.... )

I wouldn't mind seeing Dermie coach the Bombers some day.

 

[Smokin]

Thats a very good comment by Dermie. Its the stuff you get told while growing up playing footy. What is done when one doesnt have the ball is the difference between a good player and a great player.

People always try to bring Dermie down, like him or hate him however you cant say he doesnt know his stuff. His problem is he probably analyses the game too much for the average fan.

I personally like him. Robbo is the one commentator who sticks out that I cant stand.

 

[SydneyBomber]

Originally posted by gPhonque

I wouldn't mind seeing Dermie coach the Bombers some day.

Blasphemer!!! You must have had as many wines as I've had beers tonight! What a win!!!!

I've got a lot of respect for Dermie (AWESOME player - one you 'love to hate' when he's not playing for you!),

BUT.....

he should NEVER coach the Bombers after his poor comments regarding James Hird.

Whether you love or hate Hirdy, surely you'd admit he proved Dermie (and a lot of others) wrong last year.

 

[coxon]

ya.. nothin wrong with that comment at all...

there are things players can do without the ball..

reggie miller (indiana) is regarded as one of the best players moving without the ball ... eg. positioning, running thru screens, receiving, .... etc...


ah, yeah, love dermie

 

[Catman]

Originally posted by PiesPremiers
that makes sense....

whats wrong with that comment?? its fair, and logical...

i hate derm.. but theres nothin wrong with that

a good player isnt JUST made up of good disposals... a good player is a leader, a good player is one that will put his body on the line, and shepherd off the ball...

theres alot of things that can be done without the ball....

Have to agree with you there PiesPremiers.

 

[Mr Ripper]

Dermie talks so incessantly, the law of averages says he has to get something right sooner or later.

 

[Strawberry Kisses]

Favourite Dermie Comment

My favourite Dermie call was when he described a Corey McGrath kick as being a "tinny hit"......what a tosser. Just generally when he talks about the way people kick the ball - it's enough to make you sick.

 

[CyberKev]

Sydney Bomber wrote:

he should NEVER coach the Bombers after his poor comments regarding James Hird.

Geez Lad, I thought that Kevin Sheedy was uptight about holding a grudge! I thought his comments were a bit off then, mainly because they weren't half hypocritical. I wanted to ask Dermott how much value we got from him across seasons 1992 & 1993 when he couldn't take the park because of injury. He probably would have replied (with some justification) that the club was well ahead on the scoreboard and he was paying the price for it. At that stage, Hird couldn't have said the same, but it was hardly his fault that he was carrying heavy injuries, and -- after all -- he has a right to look after himself (financially) as best he can. I think he was trying to wind Hird up a bit with the comments as (for his many flaws) Brereton is not one to begrudge other players their lot. I don't mind most of his comments, but his childish rejoicing in acts of onfield thuggery are a definite embarrassment. I'm sure he'd be a fine coach, but I'd be concerned about the negative effect he could have on some well-meaning youngsters (Croad being an obvious example of this).

Do you still hate Colin Robertson too, Old Son?
Kevin

 

[SydneyBomber]

Always one to hold a grudge!

Originally posted by CyberKev
Sydney Bomber wrote:

he should NEVER coach the Bombers after his poor comments regarding James Hird.

Geez Lad, I thought that Kevin Sheedy was uptight about holding a grudge! Do you still hate Colin Robertson too, Old Son?
Kevin

"I got me a little black book...!"
They're all in there somewhere!

I just lost a bit of respect for Derm after that whole episode (as you said "pot, kettle, black"), and his position in the media, and the fact that a LOT of people do listen to him that made it a bit off.

(ok, maybe Billy Duckworth doesn't listen to too much of what he says!)

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by CyberKev
Geez Lad, I thought that Kevin Sheedy was uptight about holding a grudge!

We've got long memories down Windy Hill way

He probably would have replied (with some justification) that the club was well ahead on the scoreboard and he was paying the price for it. At that stage, Hird couldn't have said the same

Couldn't he? Played in a premiership, won a brownlow, three club B&F's, what more did he need to have achieved before he could have said that?

I think he was trying to wind Hird up a bit with the comments as (for his many flaws) Brereton is not one to begrudge other players their lot.

Fair enough, though I'll belive that when I see the same sort of article about a Hawthorn player.

Do you still hate Colin Robertson too, Old Son?
Kevin

YES! And the bastards that gave him the NS!!!!!!

 

[CyberKev]

Dave wrote:

Couldn't he? Played in a premiership, won a brownlow, three club B&F's, what more did he need to have achieved before he could have said that?

Fair cop! That was a harsh call for me to make and I was probably taking things to the extreme left of the ledger in making it. I was suggesting that Brereton had been a key figure in 5 premiership sides by the age of 26 and that Hird's big match input (by 1998) wasn't even close by comparison. He's a superb footballer nevertheless and given the side Essendon has at its disposal he may well end-up mirroring Brereton's premiership feats (although he'll certainly be well over 26 by the time its done).

While on the subject of Hird, whom I currently rate as easily the game's pre-emminent player, I was bemused to read Andrew Jarman's article ranking him below Buckley in the pecking order. Buckley is a fine player, but there's no way that his skills are as good as Hird's!

Cheers
Kevin

 

[CyberKev]

Dave wrote:

Fair enough, though I'll belive that when I see the same sort of article about a Hawthorn player.

This is not an unfair comment, but it really says more about the conflicts of interest that many media commentators have, moreso than anything specific about Brereton.

- Are we likely to see Brereton writing anything remotely negative about a Hawk player? Not in the short term, as he'd get mauled by the Hawk board and would get players offside, which is inadvisable when you're a club director and skills coach.

- Are we likely to see Tim Watson say anything negative about a Bomber player? I'd suggest we'll see a good federal government before that happens!

- As for Eddie McGuire giving other clubs an equal footing on the Footy Show or in his newspaper articles?? Will the laughter ever subside!

I guess we'll just have to wear it
Kevin

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by CyberKev
I was suggesting that Brereton had been a key figure in 5 premiership sides by the age of 26 and that Hird's big match input (by 1998) wasn't even close by comparison.

Yep, agree with that, I thought you may have been comparing the two of them.

He's a superb footballer nevertheless and given the side Essendon has at its disposal he may well end-up mirroring Brereton's premiership feats

I could handle that

While on the subject of Hird, whom I currently rate as easily the game's pre-emminent player, I was bemused to read Andrew Jarman's article ranking him below Buckley in the pecking order. Buckley is a fine player, but there's no way that his skills are as good as Hird's!

They're different players, but IMO what sets Hird apart is that he can play forward back or middle whereas I've only ever seen Buckley play middle/forward (that's not to say he hasn;t played back, just thhat I haven't seen it). Both handy players though!

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by CyberKev
This is not an unfair comment, but it really says more about the conflicts of interest that many media commentators have, moreso than anything specific about Brereton.

YES!!!!

- Are we likely to see Tim Watson say anything negative about a Bomber player? I'd suggest we'll see a good federal government before that happens!

True, but do we see him saying the sort of things Brereton says about other clubs players? That's what pisses me off about Brereton, particularly after his dummy spit about croads treatment. Bloody hypocrite.

- As for Eddie McGuire giving other clubs an equal footing on the Footy Show or in his newspaper articles?? Will the laughter ever subside!

LOL! Never, which is why I don't watch TCS anymore

 

[CyberKev]

Dave wrote:

True, but do we see him [Watson] saying the sort of things Brereton says about other clubs players?

Indeed we don't, but to this point we've only seen him playing straight roles (news sport segments) and fluff hours (The Game), which haven't required him to be overtly critical of clubs or players. With newspaper articles like Brereton's, there's little doubt that the Sports Editor will push you to some extent to write things controversial to grab audience attention. This is why I feel Walls cops unfair criticism from the rank & file at times, as I'd be very surprised if the Editor didn't play a role in articles such as 'overrated players'. Mind you, Walls isn't as tough as he could be on Carlton at times and has less excuse not to be than Brereton, given that he isn't implicitly involved with the club anymore.

Still, enough of the Brereton apologism...
Kevin

 

[Dave]

Fair points Kev, though wrt Walls, he's never written a critical article about Carlton. He was drooling over their rnd 3 win yet had very little to say about their loss to Adelaide. No articles criticising their coaching staff that week!