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He may have got a wicket but Lee was clearly the worst of the bowlers today. The remarkable fact was that the Bangladeshi batsmen went after him and attacked him, as if he were the weak link in the attack.

Sanwar Hossain absoultely destroyed him in the middle session. At a time when Bangladesh had suffered a middle order collapse and looked like folding, Lee came on to supposedly blast the lower order out and was spanked by Hossain for 7 boundaries in a short space of time. It helps when all you seem to be able to bowl are half-volleys and short balls down the leg-side.

We've been told quite often that Lee has matured as a bowler and doesn't just try to blast batsmen out like he used to; well the "old" Lee was on full display today, tried to get the batsmen out with yorkers or short deliveries and was incapable or unwilling to bowl the good length balls that would've had the Bangladeshi batsmen in trouble.

Number 3 Bashar was clearly intimidated by Lee's pace when he first came in and wasn't getting fully behind the ball - yet Lee wasn't good enough to finish him off.

Lee keeps getting presented by the media as if he's a top-class fast bowler (one of the Ch. 9 commentators said today he was one of 'the world's premier bowlers') when the facts just simply don't back that up.

Sure he can have the odd good Test match but he has a lot of ordinary ones inbetween - which is backed up by his bowling average being over 35 since the start of the 2001 Ashes tour.

For the umpteenth time today, Lee showed why he is an overhyped, overrated bowler.
 
Give it a rest Wagstaff, I would like to see you get out there and bowl! So he has one bad day, big woop! If he was playing for ANY other side he would be their "premier strike bowler"

Somehow I think maybe you are a hack who has nothing positive to say other than bag people who have given everything to represent their country at an elite level.
 
Originally posted by IceTemple
Give it a rest Wagstaff, I would like to see you get out there and bowl! So he has one bad day, big woop! If he was playing for ANY other side he would be their "premier strike bowler"

He hasn't had just one bad day in the past 2 years - the bad days have been the norm in Test cricket and the good days have been the exception.

Since 2001, Lee has played in 26 Tests (including this current one), and taken 82 wickets at an average of 36.38. In no other major Test country in the world does that make him a 'premier strike bowler'. In fact, with that sort of record, he wouldn't even be in the side.

In the Australian side, he's the indulgence (in there for his marketability as anything else) the side can afford to have and get away with because they are so far ahead of the rest.

Have a look at the facts next time before responding.
 
Originally posted by IceTemple
Give it a rest Wagstaff, I would like to see you get out there and bowl! So he has one bad day, big woop! If he was playing for ANY other side he would be their "premier strike bowler"

Somehow I think maybe you are a hack who has nothing positive to say other than bag people who have given everything to represent their country at an elite level.

I just want to know how anyone could rate Lee a better test cricketer than Andy Bichel when picking the side.

Bichel always gives 100% and is always troublesome for batsmen. He is a better batsman and fielder than Lee. Lee is temprimental and sometimes he tries bowling too quickly and is only in the side I believe because of his marketing benefits to the ACB.
 

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Originally posted by IceTemple
I would like to see you get out there and bowl!
People who make comments like these are idiots. They fail to realise that what they have said has no relevance to the topic whatsoever.



We are talking about whether Brett Lee is good enough to play in the Australian Test team. Therefore we are comparing to other players of similar or better standard (depending on opinion). The fact that Brett Lee is a better bowler than the average Joe is irrelevant. I'm also not aware of any rule that forbids an average Joe to have an opinion on whether or not someone else is up to a standard relative to the company they keep.

That old chestnut is a crap argument that holds no water.
 
I think Lee has been a pretty ordinary bowler since his good start in his first year or so. His bowling is very wayward and costly, averaging over 3 runs per over and his average has steadily increased. His performance against Bangladesh in this test (18 overs, 1-88) was typical. Also, I think he's a chucker!
 
According to your logic, if someone is not as good a bowler as Brett Lee, then their opinion that Bichel is a better option to play in the test team must be disregarded.

Can you blame me for calling you stupid? Did I have a choice? Or does my opinion not count because I am not as much of an idiot as you are?
 
Saw him get a wicket today (solely through a brilliant piece of fielding), and jumping and running around like he's a freakin' hero.

You got one Bangladeshi wicket, simply through the brilliance of someone else. You ****ing hero.

Hack. Bring back Bic!!!
 
Originally posted by lamby29
Overrated in Test's.

Brilliant in ODI's.

He's worse in ODI's. The batsmen love him because you can easily pile on the runs with his wayward bowling.

I wouldn't play him in One Dayers and on current form he shouldn't be in the Test side.

He is a run machine... for the opposition.
 
Originally posted by Catman
He's worse in ODI's. The batsmen love him because you can easily pile on the runs with his wayward bowling.

I wouldn't play him in One Dayers and on current form he shouldn't be in the Test side.

He is a run machine... for the opposition.

Incorrect.

Lamby29 is correct - Lee is overrated in Tests and a gun bowler in ODI's. He's taken 133 wickets in 71 matches at an average of 21.33 - which is an outstanding effort. His one-day bowling average is lower then Glenn McGrath's and everyone else in the Australian side. His economy rate might be high (4.74 RPO), but more often then not he takes a lot of wickets to more then compensate for this.

It's a different story in Test cricket - not only is he expensive but he doesn't take the necessary amount of wickets to justify his place in the side.

His performance in this match (29-3-133-2) is an accurate reflection of his ordinary performances at Test level in recent years - expensive and not taking many wickets.
 
And FWIW - I HATE that stupid dance thing he does when he gets a wicket.
But - is he more of a cheating, whingey, sulky sook that Glenn McGrath?? I don't think so... Thoughts?
 
Lee hasn't had a five wicket innings in two years. If he was a batsman without a century in that time everyone would be calling for his head.
 

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Originally posted by Catman
He's worse in ODI's. The batsmen love him because you can easily pile on the runs with his wayward bowling.

I wouldn't play him in One Dayers and on current form he shouldn't be in the Test side.

He is a run machine... for the opposition.
He was Man of the 2003 VB Series wasn't he?

And he took a ****load of wickets in the World Cup.
 
Originally posted by clucas91
I can't stand that stupid 'pumping' thing he does to celebrate getting a wicket, it's Bangladesh FFS.

Someone has to get excited over the game, the crowd didn't seem that excited to see Australia smash Bangladesh.
 
Originally posted by The Scarecrow
Someone has to get excited over the game, the crowd didn't seem that excited to see Australia smash Bangladesh.

Even so, you don't see me acting like that when I bowl out the 12 year old up the street.
 

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