Mega Thread Brett Ratten

[Azul]

Top four talk has been put aside for now.​

"To be honest, we're not looking at the end of the season: 'Are we in the eight? Are we out of the eight?'," Ratten said. ​

"We're looking at each week."​

Go Ratts! And to the moderator of this board discussing Ratten's replacement for next year a big

 

[watchful eye]

I'm not a great Ratts fan as a head coach. Injuries are an excuse. Lack of effort in so many games isn't.

I hope things turn around. If they don't. Malthouse!

 

[zeeCFC]

Go Ratts! And to the moderator of this board discussing Ratten's replacement for next year a big

He's looking for more info on crane6's post. A poster who has had reliable inside info recently.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

One year as an assistant at Melbourne (not sure what he learned at that dysfunctional place) and then two at Norwood. i would not call it extensive.

Melbourne finished 5th after the home and away rounds that year and were a pretty decent team. Ratts was highly rated for his work with the midfield and left specifically to be a head coach at whatever level.

 

[Azul]

He's looking for more info on crane6's post. A poster who has had reliable inside info recently.

I don't care if crane6 is the vice president of the club, or whoever this mystery poster from the 'inner sanctum' may be.

Speculating on a replacement for Ratten based on some hearsay that he wouldn't coach the following season based on a pre-season prediction that we ought to aim for top 4 is bad form. It undermines the mission of winning games and shows a lack of respect for a club best and fairest, premiership player and former captain.

Particularly after Sticks came out and publicly backed Ratten this week.

 

[mediumsizered]

I don't care if crane6 is the vice president of the club, or whoever this mystery poster from the 'inner sanctum' may be.

Speculating on a replacement for Ratten based on some hearsay that he wouldn't coach the following season based on a pre-season prediction that we ought to aim for top 4 is bad form. It undermines the mission of winning games and shows a lack of respect for a club best and fairest, premiership player and former captain.

Particularly after Sticks came out and publicly backed Ratten this week.

If you have followed my posts in recent weeks, you will see I have been totally supporting the retention of Ratts as coach. I do not believe sacking a coach for the sake of sacking a coach achieves anything. It is a knee jerk reaction which very rarely bears fruit. With what Ratts has achieved as coach, it is clear the recent disappointing form is not the fault of Ratts, but a combination of injuries & lack of mental application.

Crane6 is generally on the money with the information he provides (we should be very careful not to attack the handful of credible sources we have on our board potentially chasing them away, because there are too many posters who like to pretend they have inside information, but who get shown up as frauds) & I was interested in any information he can provide in relation to Ratt's future, as I do not want to see the club going after a Malthouse or a Roos unnecessarily, when a bit of luck with injury & further development of our list should deliver premiership #17 under Ratt's leadership.

 

[timbertron]

The other thing to remember is Top 4 means Prelim Finals. We could finish 8th but if we reach the Prelims then Rats has achieved his said goal. Of course finishing top 4 on the ladder would be better than not.

This is why I said in my previous post he should be judged after the season. And when I say injuries shouldn't come into it I'm talking about the fact that he should be judged on performance. The effort against the Crows and Port was terrible and it had zero to do with injuries.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Last nights game proved one thing - the players are at fault much more than the Coach. We fix two things over the remainder of the season and 2013 is a different year altogether - ah and forget desert warrior training BS too.

Agree with all of that.

There was 5 or so minutes left and Yarran had a set shot, 30 yards out, directly in front, we trailed by 14 points and had all the momentum. He missed pretty much everything, and it barely scraped through for a point. That was the moment that summed it up for me.

 

[Azul]

I do not believe sacking a coach for the sake of sacking a coach achieves anything. It is a knee jerk reaction which very rarely bears fruit. With what Ratts has achieved as coach, it is clear the recent disappointing form is not the fault of Ratts, but a combination of injuries & lack of mental application.

That's good to hear. I wasn't meaning to implying you were in the sakc Ratts 'clique', just to "not go there".

I just don't think it's fine to be encouraging speculation of a coaching replacement mid-season. Your line of questioning seemed to be to draw out of "Mr Crane" who Ratts likely successor would be. The board very likely have such hypothetical discussions internally but 'leaking' such information to bigfooty is inappropriate.

The last thing we need is for Monday night, Caro or Hutchy to report that, say, "Unnamed sources within Carlton have endorsed Rodney Eade as Coach for 2013". The playing group have enough on their plate, e.g. the Collingwood President's remarks during the week.

 

[HBF]

Whilst i think Ratts does have his limitations as a coach, we only have to go back last September when he got us within a kick of West Coast in what is probably the toughest road trip in footy. And, we only have to look back to round 3 for our thumping of Collingwood. I recall driving home that night listening to SEN and alot of Carlton supporters were calling in all enthused about the remainder of the season. And now, a mere 8 weeks later, we're calling for the coach to be sacked.

Rather than looking at the players who are injured, how about we look at the 22 that ran out against Geelong last night.

Jamison - Injury interupted preseason, way off his best form at present
Kreuzer - Clearly hampered by his knee - nowhere near as mobile
Garlett - A step in the right direction last night, but needs to find some form
Walker - Yet to rediscover his 2011 form, and playing away from the F50 where he is most dangerous.
Gibbs - Good job on Stevie J last night, but like Walker needs to have a greater impact over games
Warnock - Terrific game last night, but still finding his feet after having both shoulders operated on during the preseason.
Judd - Not as his best, given the absence of Murphy & Carrazzo
Watson & Bootsma - Played what - 10 games between them

Finally, it is worth remembering that we had 4 shots on goal hit the post (Henderson, Garlett, Simpson & Ellard) and 3 shots on goal that we really should have kicked (Garlett, Yarran & Kreuzer). Even if only half of them had've gone through, the result might have been much different.

 

[Silvagnis]

Malthouse is available.

Do not want. If we want to change coaches, then look elsewhere. Signing another experienced coach like we did with Pagan comes across as a short term and reactionary move. Bread for circuses to appease the fools we have in our ranks.

 

[Peete]

Look like we are out of 8 on percentages...'aints push us out on percentages- irony...

 

[Madblue]

Last nights game proved one thing - the players are at fault much more than the Coach. We fix two things over the remainder of the season and 2013 is a different year altogether - ah and forget desert warrior training BS too.

1. Get rid of the players who have failed us this year - play the younger kid in at every opportunity - Watson/Bootsma/Collins/ and any tall who gets over their chronic fornicating injury - which has deprived us of ANY options whatsoever as far as FF goes. *and use our money to buy /trade one tall and one hard midfielder
2. Get the full list fit and bigger

I am over the misery - the remainder of the year is about getting a list together than compete for a full year's campaign and then another three after that.

Oh yeah - Lets get Ratts a list that he can work with and who are keen to wear the Navy Blue - get rid of proven losers.

We already have the list mate, or close to it We just need a decent coach to take us to the next level !

 

[Big Red is back]

Interesting went to the archives and the people defending ratten are largely the same who defended pagan to the end.

No need to guess who they are, gotta love their loyalty to everything Carlton.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

You defend until it is untenable. That is supporting.

Interesting that some posters go after the club a majority of the time. Calls for players to be delisted, calls for coaches to be sacked, criticism of the club after Fev went and protests to get him back.

It really is quite a chore for some people to be a Carlton supporter. It's like it makes their lives more unhappy than if they didn't support any team would.

It's just basic wiring differences.

I'm dying to know how Ratten's situation is equivalent to Pagan's though.

 

[The Coach]

That's good to hear. I wasn't meaning to implying you were in the sakc Ratts 'clique', just to "not go there".

I just don't think it's fine to be encouraging speculation of a coaching replacement mid-season. Your line of questioning seemed to be to draw out of "Mr Crane" who Ratts likely successor would be. The board very likely have such hypothetical discussions internally but 'leaking' such information to bigfooty is inappropriate.

The last thing we need is for Monday night, Caro or Hutchy to report that, say, "Unnamed sources within Carlton have endorsed Rodney Eade as Coach for 2013". The playing group have enough on their plate, e.g. the Collingwood President's remarks during the week.

You rate BF's influence WAY TOO MUCH.
MSR is a poster, reader and moderator - if it is of interest to him he can ask any football question he likes.
Lighten up Az

 

[The Coach]

Do not want. If we want to change coaches, then look elsewhere. Signing another experienced coach like we did with Pagan comes across as a short term and reactionary move. Bread for circuses to appease the fools we have in our ranks.

If a change is made I totally disagree TG - we have no time/room for error.
Proven a must

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Hypothetically, proven not the main criteria: refer Blight at St Kilda for example. They have to still have the passion.

Respected is a must, ability to motivate another, uncompromising high up there (not to the extent player hate him and won't play for him though).

 

[Big Red is back]

You defend until it is untenable. That is supporting.

Interesting that some posters go after the club a majority of the time. Calls for players to be delisted, calls for coaches to be sacked, criticism of the club after Fev went and protests to get him back.

It really is quite a chore for some to be a Carlton supporter. It's like it makes their lives more

I'm dying to know how Ratten's situation is equivalent to Pagan's though.

Think you missunderstand, I love the cfc but I am someone who wants the blues to constantly give themselves the best chance of winning a flag, and i have had a strong view win lose or draw that ratten isn't going to get the best results for us. Life is about constant review and improvement.

He may well even if given enough time take us deep into September however I suspect that would only be if he addressees the very reasons I currently want to get rid of him.

Last night I was actually somewhat happy with his coaching he tried a few things and looked to structure up a bit better.

 

[Azul]

You rate BF's influence WAY TOO MUCH.
MSR is a poster, reader and moderator - if it is of interest to him he can ask any football question he likes.
Lighten up Az

Yeah okay, perhaps I just rate moderator's powers to a higher standard than the rest of us.

I'm trying to stay positive about the season but all this criticism of the coach is getting me down.

Ask me again in a month after surprise victories over Hawthorn and Collingwood.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

FWIW, Ratten has to go. It was under questionable circumstances he got the head coaching job in the first place. For a first time head coach, he did not have the credibility to be considered a good choice. His reputation/status at the club was the biggest reason for him getting the gig. A "Boys club" culture at admin (coterie?) level also contributed to his appointment. As a result, there is a complacency at the club which I think is filtering onto the ground.

He should not have, under any circumstance, been hired to oversee the responsibilty of a younger squad to potential success. Brett would not have been anywhere near contention for a head coaching job, at time he was hired, at another club. Nor would someone with his reputation/status/experience at another club would have come within a bull's roar of being the head coach of Carlton. Now, the realisation at the club is that footy is a sport/competition, as opposed to a business where, at times, you can rely on extrapolation/success. Footy is about who wants it the most right now and, atm, the team doesn't want it.

We're at a crossroads, the answer is obvious. Do the relevant decision makers have the courage to make it?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Think you missunderstand, I love the cfc but I am someone who wants the blues to constantly give themselves the best chance of winning a flag, and i have had a strong view win lose or draw that ratten isn't going to get the best results for us. Life is about constant review and improvement.

He may well even if given enough time take us deep into September however I suspect that would only be if he addressees the very reasons I currently want to get rid of him.

Last night I was actually somewhat happy with his coaching he tried a few things and looked to structure up a bit better.

Well you were seeking to diminish the opinions of those who support Ratts.

Life is also about faith and patience. Review and improvement do not necessarily equate to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[LONGTIME BLUE]

We already have the list mate, or close to it We just need a decent coach to take us to the next level !

If only Ratts kicked straight

 

[Blue Ratts]

Sorry only wanted the link to go up..

 

[40yearBLUE]

Well you were seeking to diminish the opinions of those who support Ratts.

Life is also about faith and patience. Review and improvement do not necessarily equate to cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Patience is not a 21st century virtue. Everyone is looking for the quick fix. Buy now pay later. Put off problems for others that follow to fix, its a sign of the times.

Hard work and acceptance of tried and proven formulas dont appease the simple minded. They want instant results. And would go into an ever rapid churn to achieve the illusion of it, then complain bitterly when the instantaneous success does not materialise.

You are debating with the embodiment of the now principle.