Mega Thread Brett Ratten

[Big Red is back]

Seriously BRIB, youre 2 seconds away from making it to be the first on my ignore list.

Fair enough but come on if the bullflogs win this week they will be equal on wins with us.... they admit they stink and are in a complete rebuild. If you guys can't see something is hugely wrong then I am not sure what else to say.

People need to realise it is either the coaching or recuriting or a combination of both but something has gone horribly wrong. We should be challenging for a flag yet we could easily finish 10th.

I for one was expecting to make the GF this year and at worst finish 5th.

 

[Silvagnis]

White-anting cruelled our club from 2003-2007. I see there are some who are prepared to give it another bash. People who white-ant their own club sit very low in my estimation. You wouldn't be Lauraine Diggins, or one of her supporters would you?

Was it white anting to throw the contracted Knights out and replace him with Hird,I mean Thompson?

If they think Ratten can't get any more of this group like St Kilda did with Grant Thomas and then Blight, then his position needs to be reviewed and replacements sort.

 

[Malifice]

Fair enough but come on if the bullflogs win this week they will be equal on wins with us.... they admit they stink and are in a complete rebuild. If you guys can't see something is hugely wrong then I am not sure what else to say.

People need to realise it is either the coaching or recuriting or a combination of both but something has gone horribly wrong. We should be challenging for a flag yet we could easily finish 10th.

And you need to stop parrotting the same shit over and over again. Like, we get it mate; you dont rate Ratten. How about showing some support instead of constantly whinging about the club, hanging shit on it and ridiculing it non stop.

Aside from the players. Its everyone elses fault but the guys... playing.

FWIW. Im not 100 percent on Ratts either, but Im not sitting here droning on about it, and being terribly one sided. When the time comes people in a better position that you and I will review the coaching situation, and if necessary, act.

Till then take a chill pill, support the club (particularly when its down) and enjoy life.

I for one was expecting to make the GF this year and at worst finish 5th.

When you had this expectation, did you factor on Murphy, Carrazzo, Waite, Laidler, Walker, Duigan, Warnock, Mitchell, Yarran and Casboult all missing 3 or more games through injury, and Judd and Kruezer battling through niggles all season, and Rowe getting cancer?

Bro, chill the **** out.

 

[Aphrodite]

Lol Mick wouldn't be any good.

Let's recap 10 Years at eagles 10 finals series , 2 flags and a runner up. Took over in 1990 and by 91 they made gf.

Took over an amazing rabble in 2000 and not long thereafter had them in two gfs. If you look at the pies teams in those years they were very average yet somehow he delivered.

Ratten is pathetic, our structures and game plan flaws do not allow us to cover injuries in the same way other sides do.

Let's see if he plays three rucks again! I will just laugh if he does.

On da couch probing ratten!

Marginal support at board level so bye bye

I am really looking forward to being near full strength vs the pies and hawks as I suspect we can defeat them.

What this will highight is how bad Ratten is, our inability to show any signs of covering injuries highlights how poor our structures and game plan are.

Fortunately our best 22 is elite enough to make up in part for what has to be the worst coach in living memory.

Go blues.

Do you ever have anything positive to add to our Board.

So much negativity.

 

[Coona Blues]

And you need to stop parrotting the same shit over and over again. Like, we get it mate; you dont rate Ratten. How about showing some support instead of constantly whinging about the club, hanging shit on it and ridiculing it non stop.

Aside from the players. Its everyone elses fault but the guys... playing.

FWIW. Im not 100 percent on Ratts either, but Im not sitting here droning on about it, and being terribly one sided. When the time comes people in a better position that you and I will review the coaching situation, and if necessary, act.

Till then take a chill pill, support the club (particularly when its down) and enjoy life.



When you had this expectation, did you factor on Murphy, Carrazzo, Waite, Laidler, Walker, Duigan, Warnock, Mitchell, Yarran and Casboult all missing 3 or more games through injury, and Judd and Kruezer battling through niggles all season, and Rowe getting cancer?

Bro, chill the **** out.

Not always a fan or BRIB, but have to support here.
The point he is making is that Ratts does not have the wherewithall to develop our "emerging" players.
He is right. Hawthorn, Collingwood and West Coast have shown an ability to bring 2nd and 3rd tier players in to cover injuries, and have an almost seamless transition. STRUCTURES and awareness of their roles. That is the key. Our players are criticised for being soft. Wrong. They are confused and largely disunited, the person responsible for gelling the team, galvanising the unit, creating culture of giving your all for your mates and the club is the coach.....MASSIVE FAIL. I am not a Malthouse fan, nor of Roos, but we need a coach who will both demand performance and respect, as well as having the tactical nous to establish structures. Ratten has relied on his stars (resulting in burn out and predictability), he barracks, he plays favourites, he has stymied development of many of our players. If we had a strong support mechanism, he may be covered, we do not. This demands a Malthouse to put a team in place to support development right through from VFL development league. The players output is a symptom, not the disease.
We still have the players to shake the life out of the premiership if the cards fall. Some of the moves Ratten has been forced to take Watson, McLean, Ellard will make us stronger and more competitive. Spread the load.....like the others do.

 

[Big Red is back]

Afl 360 ratten upto extreme pressure.

Miss finals gone.

Hard to argue with three time Carlton premiership player and former skipper.

 

[Big Red is back]

Do you ever have anything positive to add to our Board.

So much negativity.

I have lots of positives refer carzzo toast thread, I just think ratten is the worst coach in the afl as do the majority of Carlton supporters. Feel free to start a poll on the main boards and ask who is the worst coach in the afl?

I am a huge fan I predicted us to make the gf, that's pretty positive.

My key issues remain ratten, crap game plan, crap structure, playing 3 rucks, joesph getting a game, those issues aside I am positive.

 

[The Coach]

Afl 360 ratten upto extreme pressure.

Miss finals gone.

Hard to argue with three time Carlton premiership skipper.

Is John Nicholls on?

 

[Big Red is back]

Is John Nicholls on?

Nope

 

[The Coach]

Nope

Who else was a 3 time premiership Captain?

 

[mediumsizered]

Afl 360 ratten upto extreme pressure.

Miss finals gone.

Hard to argue with three time Carlton premiership player and former skipper.

Sellars Maclure is paid to be a dick & he does it very well. Such a shame that his fellow panellists don't take him seriously (rightly so).

In case you hadn't realised, Maclure knows SFA about the inner workings of the club. I guess if he agrees with you, he must know what he is talking about.

 

[The Coach]

Who else was a 3 time premiership Captain?

BRIB, you edited ? I was not trying to be smart - 3 times premiership player gave me a bigger list of possibles

 

[thylacine60]

How many flags did MM win cause he was captain there for a while wasn't he?

 

[mediumsizered]

Was it white anting to throw the contracted Knights out and replace him with Hird,I mean Thompson?

If they think Ratten can't get any more of this group like St Kilda did with Grant Thomas and then Blight, then his position needs to be reviewed and replacements sort.

You would be mad not to get rid of your coach if he hasn't improved you during his tenure, particularly when you know you can get the best coach in the competition (Thompson) to the club.

On the flipside ,you wouldn't get rid of your coach, who has improved the club during his tenure, just for the sake of appeasing a handful of sooks.

FWIW, I would welcome Blight to our club with open arms. A far superior coach to Malthouse & Roos.

 

[Malifice]

Hard to argue with three time Carlton premiership player and former skipper.

Brett Ratten:

• Carlton premiership player 1995 (B&F year)
• Carlton captain 2002–2003
• John Nicholls Medal 1995, 1997, 2000
• AA - 1997, 2000, 2001
• Carlton Hall of Fame - 1999

Hard to argue with a three time Carlton B&F, premiership player, three time AA, Hall of fame-er and former skipper eh BRIB?

 

[The Coach]

You would be mad not to get rid of your coach if he hasn't improved you during his tenure, particularly when you know you can get the best coach in the competition (Thompson) to the club.

On the flipside ,you wouldn't get rid of your coach, who has improved the club during his tenure, just for the sake of appeasing a handful of sooks.

FWIW, I would welcome Blight to our club with open arms. A far superior coach to Malthouse & Roos.

You believe that Sticks, Swan and co would 100% guarantee that Ratts will be coach next year and if he is not it will be because they wanted to appease sooks

 

[HBF]

Good players don't necessarily make good coaches Mal.
Jury is still well and truly out with Ratts.
I appreciate he has taken us to 3 final series in a row, and developed a number of players into very good AFL players. But I do question whether he has the ability to take us from a 5-8 side up into the top 4 and deliver of 17th flag.

 

[mike ockerts]

Good players don't necessarily make good coaches Mal.
Jury is still well and truly out with Ratts.
I appreciate he has taken us to 3 final series in a row, and developed a number of players into very good AFL players. But I do question whether he has the ability to take us from a 5-8 side up into the top 4 and deliver of 17th flag.

Good post, and I totally agree, going to be a very interesting last half of the year, then I will make my assessment on Ratten 2012.

 

[Malifice]

Good players don't necessarily make good coaches Mal.

Agreed.

My point was more along the line that good former players (Mclure) arent necessarily the gospel when it comes to criticisms of coaches either.

Jury is still well and truly out with Ratts.

Also agree. I am not sold on Rattens ability to take us all the way. Im also not sold on his inability to do so either. I'll leave those calls to the board.

Im just getting a little sick of BRIB's constant parrotting of how shit our Coach is.

 

[HBF]

Fair enough Mal, but I think we are well within our rights to question what Ratts has gotten out of the group so far this season. I appreciate we have had injuries, but so have West Coast & Collingwood. My biggest issue with Ratts is IMO he gets some of his more important matchups wrong, and really lacks some nous in coaches box on game day.

 

[Loramarthalas]

For the sake of argument, let's try to establish some sort of criteria for Ratten. A pass mark, as they like to call it in the media.

Finals this year are probably gone. So let's say the team can hold itself around 9-10-11 on the ladder by year's end. That would be a pretty dismal result, but at this stage it could be a lot worse. I'd say he needs to get to about 10 wins by the end of the year to give himself a fighting chance at coaching next year. Not impossible.

If he makes it into next year, the pressure will still be well and truly on him. He'll need to turn at the bye with a positive win/loss ratio, I would think. 6/4 at least.

If he can do both of these things, he will likely stick around. If not, he'll be under huge pressure, and likely gone.

 

[Malifice]

I appreciate we have had injuries, but so have West Coast & Collingwood. My biggest issue with Ratts is IMO he gets some of his more important matchups wrong, and really lacks some nous in coaches box on game day.

Genuine question, what matchups is he getting wrong?

Im actually more skeptical of the intangible stuff, like his leadership. For whatever reason, he doesnt quite strike me as a bloke that naturally exudes leadership.

For a contrast, Woosha is someone who does.

In my experience in the Army, you could have blokes that were great tacticians but lacked leadership; while there were other blokes you would willingly follow to the jaws of hell notwithstanding tactical nous.

 

[HBF]

Genuine question, what matchups is he getting wrong?

The game that frustrated me the most was against Adelaide. Gibbs tagging Dangerfield was woeful. Gibbs would have been better off going with Thompson. And starting Bower up forward, really he may as well not have been out there. And i'm not convinced omn playing all 3 ruckmen either. He needs to start playing our better players where the opposition fear them the most.

I don't believe he's paid enough respect to some of our oppositions small forwards - see games against Essendon, St.Kilda and Geelong.

 

[Malifice]

The game that frustrated me the most was against Adelaide. Gibbs tagging Dangerfield was woeful. Gibbs would have been better off going with Thompson. And starting Bower up forward, really he may as well not have been out there.

To be fair with Bower up forward, we dont exactly have a dearth of forward options.

Waite, Mitchell, Casboult and Rowe are all injured, and Kruezer is carrying something. Henderson has been needed down back with injuries/ form issues with Yarran, Laidler and Duigan.

Duigans return to form has allowed Henderson to be released forward, but we are robbing Peter to pay Paul there somewhat.

And i'm not convinced omn playing all 3 ruckmen either. He needs to start playing our better players where the opposition fear them the most.

In a lot of ways our lack of tall targets makes playing 3 ruckman a reasonable option; Im sure should Waite be fit and healthy it wouldnt even be on the radar.

I don't believe he's paid enough respect to some of our oppositions small forwards - see games against Essendon, St.Kilda and Geelong.

True.

Id argue Army should be given the Job, but he's also been needed in the midfield to cover Murphy/ Carrazzo.

He's been patching holes all year to be fair.

Lucas and Curnow really needed to step up, and Yarran needed to become a bit more of that midfielder we need him to be. Plus we desperately need a healthy key forward to straighten us up, and relieve the pressure on Betts and Garlett, who we frequently ask too much of in matches.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

For the sake of argument, let's try to establish some sort of criteria for Ratten. A pass mark, as they like to call it in the media.

Finals this year are probably gone. So let's say the team can hold itself around 9-10-11 on the ladder by year's end. That would be a pretty dismal result, but at this stage it could be a lot worse. I'd say he needs to get to about 10 wins by the end of the year to give himself a fighting chance at coaching next year. Not impossible.

If he makes it into next year, the pressure will still be well and truly on him. He'll need to turn at the bye with a positive win/loss ratio, I would think. 6/4 at least.

If he can do both of these things, he will likely stick around. If not, he'll be under huge pressure, and likely gone.

Sorry but I expect way more than this from the Blues.

They are very soft pass marks and 6/4 next year sees us going nowhere in my opinion.