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Re: Respect for brett ratten

roosterjuice said:
people must stop sucking up to ratten.. his a flop and will never see another priemership while his in charge! come to grips with it guys..his rubbish!!!
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Nice join date.

I hope you attempt to post something positive and go against your already evident style.
 
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Interested if anyone has any inside knowledge on how Ratten reacts behind close doors.

Does he rip into the players or is he calm and measured.


As a supporter I do get a bit frustrated sometimes with his wishy-washy language.

From last night:

"It was a bit of alarm bells for us about (that and) we have a little bit more work to do in that area of the game (defence)," Ratten said.


I know the press conference is just for show and the real work is done behind close doors but interested if the private Ratten is different to the 'public' Ratten.
 
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TheGeneral said:
Nice join date.

I hope you attempt to post something positive and go against your already evident style.
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have a sook general...i call it like how it is buddy! do you honestly think where going places with him in charge...lol wake up veteran!!!
 
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Andy not too sure about closed doors but I have been in the coaches box a couple of times and he gets very heated. One day at the MCG he walked out of the coaches box into the stats box next door so he could let his frustrations fly away from the camera.
 

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Probably could have thrown the forward line around a bit earlier than he did, writing was well and truly on the wall halfway throught the 3rd.

Would have liked to have seen at least 10 or 15 minutes with the talls cleared out, Betts and Garlett alone in the 50, couldn't have functioned any worse than it already had up to that point.
 
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Kernafides said:
Andy not too sure about closed doors but I have been in the coaches box a couple of times and he gets very heated. One day at the MCG he walked out of the coaches box into the stats box next door so he could let his frustrations fly away from the camera.
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I heard the reason he coaches from the bench is that its unworkable when hes in the coaches box ...We need all our coaches and staff working together for us to have any chance of the ultimate success...We need to develop our list from player 44 45 etc to the top ...I dont see this happening..... or our recruiters are picking spuds
 
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I've had my reservations for a while about Ratts but i really do believe now that he's not the coach we need to take us to our next premiership.

If he does then i will be first to say well done but i really can't seeing us doing that.

Personally i would be throwing the kitchen sink at Malthouse for next season.
 
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Madblue said:
I've had my reservations for a while about Ratts but i really do believe now that he's not the coach we need to take us to our next premiership.

If he does then i will be first to say well done but i really can't seeing us doing that.

Personally i would be throwing the kitchen sink at Malthouse for next season.
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Well said. I have been patient with Ratten. He has never impressed me with his game plan and slow reactions when it doesn't work. Malthouse? Hell Yes.
 
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Madblue said:
Personally i would be throwing the kitchen sink at Malthouse for next season.
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What is everyone's (not just carlton supporters) obsession with malthouse. Do people forget then if not for one bounce no one would think of him being half the coach he was? took a good 10 years to get 1 flag at the pies from 5 attempts. He is a good coach but he is no messiah.
Also interesting to note when collingwood won the 2010 flag he became the oldest premiership coach in history.

I also am starting to wonder if anyone even watched the game last night or if when our players gave up people just started assuming what was going to happen, this notion of no plan b is ludicrous.

No plan b means just trying all the same positions and letting your team get run over. this was the case years ago but it was a good thing from player development point of view as if players are instantly dragged each week they get no chance to improve and lose confidence.

last night i saw the following:
-rotations at the center of players and standing positions to try and win clearances. walker, mitch, gibbs, judd, ellard, curnow, murphy, simpson, scottland, russel, eddie all started at the center bounce more than once to try and mix it up and get something happening.
-waite, kreuzer, hampson and walker all tried to lead their opponents out of the 50 and leave eddie and garlett to run on to the ball. Murphy kicked a point, delivery was shocking and stkilda where to good in the air and had a tall fall back when we got the ball.
-floating a loose man on the wing not the backline. the abismal effort from most of our players made this exercise ineffective.

someone suggested we swap hendo and waite. hendo wasnt doing too badly and if we put waite who was clearly having a bad day go to nick or kozi they would have blown out the margin.


I'm not sayin ratts will definantly take us to a flag. That is predicting the future and flags these days are harder than the 70's 80's and even 90's.
 
Re: Respect for brett ratten

Dear All

It is with much frustration I reach out regarding the Carlton Game Plan.

For a number of years the general media has been somewhat confused it would seem by the persistent negative attitude of Carlton Fans to our Senior Coach Brett Ratten.

After all he is a club legend and ultimately seems like a pretty decent
bloke.

The current season provides no better example as to why the vast
majority of us share concerns and frustration with his coaching.
Having spent much of his first few seasons searching for a consistent
game plan it is clear in the preseason of 2010/2011 he landed on the
Collingwood forward press and the team spent considerable time working
on it during that preseason culminating in the side becoming one of
the better exponents of the press by years end. Whilst this reactionary
approach to developing a game plan is good ultimately the premiers tend
to be a side leading the charge towards a new game plan not copying
what others have done, Hawthorn 2008 midfield press, Cats corridor
football and huge handball possession game, Collingwood midfield press
and back to the Swans man on man style in the mid part of the decade.

Unfortunately with the exception of West Coast who continue to press
more than ever (primarily because they are just so good at it) it
appears many of the sides including Collingwood are adapting their game
plans. The pies for example realised the problems with the hard press
and quickly moved to a softer press and man on man model for last
year’s GF.

Whilst I watch the majority of other sides continue to search for new
improved versions of the press we continue to stick steadfastly to
whatever game plan we have copied from one of the prior seasons top
sides, in the case Collingwood 2010.

In terms of the specifics of the current Carlton game plan, anyone who
watched our practice match vs the Roos, Essendon or the Saints should
know how to structure a game plan to beat Carlton.

At present Carlton’s press is being dragged far to deep in Carlton’s
half of the ground, as such often our last line of defence is forward
of the centre with our spare man positioned on the Carlton goal side of
the last row of defenders.

Naturally the opposition then allows us to continue to press up, whilst
quietly reshuffling their forwards to ensure those with the best speed
relative to the Carlton opponent are matched up across Carlton’s last
line of defence, typically well forward of centre.

Having pushed to far up the ground the Carlton spare man is irrelevant
as the ball goes over his head and with obvious speed mis-matches the
opposition counter attack and score at will.

What is most concerning is as follows:

- The Carlton match committee do not see it or do see it and don’t react
- The solution is simple, with Carlton simply needing to drop their
spare man between the opposition goals and the last line of forwards
and defenders thus ensuring any fast break and kick into space is
immediately stopped by the Carlton spare man
- Ensuring that at all times your quickest defenders are in the last
line of the press, in the case of Carlton this is Yarran, Armfield and
Bower (if selected). Countless times this was Duigan, Henderson, Jamo
in each of the three games observed.

In conclusion the solution is so painful simple that it concerns many
of us that this cannot be seen.
 

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Just thought I would revisit the third post in this thread.

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the first to be called out when things are going poorly.

the last to be praised when we are flying...
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Didn't take long for him to be called out after one loss.
 
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I see Supacheap and Repco have reintroduced the open door policy.
 
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BLUEALLTHRU said:
I'm sorry what has this got to do with the thread?You have either got Brett's back or you have not!

What will it be?
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If you understood my post you wouldnt need to aks that would you?

If you knew of my posting history you wouldnt need to aks that would you?

Red knows exactly what I meant tho, as do others. You see I am skating around getting carded but trying to tell it how it is not how the polite world of BF posting would have it.

If you need further explanation do some work first, I have neither the patience to or tolerance left to indulge you.
 
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40yearBLUE said:
If you understood my post you wouldnt need to aks that would you?

If you knew of my posting history you wouldnt need to aks that would you?

Red knows exactly what I meant tho, as do others. You see I am skating around getting carded but trying to tell it how it is not how the polite world of BF posting would have it.

If you need further explanation do some work first, I have neither the patience to or tolerance left to indulge you.
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Sorry for my ignorance but can you indulge me for one minute by just stating clearly what you're post is about.I percieve it to be negative on Brett Ratten and if so maybe you could do better with your vast football knowledge.
 

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forgive me if my comments are out of place but my brother (who is a mad carlton support) felt that carlton had an a) and b) game plan which carlton used well in different times of games last year.

When the opposition started to get on top or when the quick bomb into the forward line wasn’t work carlton would short kick the ball around until something opened up. This was effective during a active press.
I think you guys were in the top 4 for short kicks and uncontested marks last year,

Where has it gone?
 
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Big Red is back said:
Sent it to afl insider no surprise they covered that exact topic. Only concern was Alan Richardson seemed baffled by how to respond.
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"If you keep listening to the bloke on the hill, pretty soon you’ll be out there sitting with him." Wayne Bennett.

Next we'll have supporters using hindsight to review our draft selections whilst they ignore how the game's changed since 2009.
 
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BLUEALLTHRU said:
Sorry for my ignorance but can you indulge me for one minute by just stating clearly what you're post is about.I percieve it to be negative on Brett Ratten and if so maybe you could do better with your vast football knowledge.
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Again if you knew my posting history you would know that one minute posts are not my thing, however seeing as how you asked so nicely:

I am very much pro Brett Ratten and I think posters like BigRed and his ilk have special places in Repco and SupaCheap reserved for them. And just to save you aksing, aks yourself what you get at SupaCheap and Repco. And before you bother also, know that I have deliberately spelt it aks as a reflection of the intelligence I feel posters to such topics generally have.

What I would really like to know is who helped him type it.
 
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40yearBLUE said:
Again if you knew my posting history you would know that one minute posts are not my thing, however seeing as how you asked so nicely:

I am very much pro Brett Ratten and I think posters like BigRed and his ilk have special places in Repco and SupaCheap reserved for them. And just to save you aksing, aks yourself what you get at SupaCheap and Repco. And before you bother also, know that I have deliberately spelt it aks as a reflection of the intelligence I feel posters to such topics generally have.

What I would really like to know is who helped him type it.
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Gee...Lots of people on here have differring opinions to you, they must be all wrong :rolleyes:
 
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Madblue said:
Gee...Lots of people on here have differring opinions to you, they must be all wrong :rolleyes:
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I am consistent in my ops is all. Where are the posts by the spanners on here bagging Ratts, that praise him after we thumped Collingwood? Find me one from someone that has previously bagged him. There are plenty of well coached posts but none, repeat none from the agenda driven nongs on here (its always the coaches fault when we lose but never anything to do with him when we win according to them). Are you one of them?
 
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40yearBLUE said:
I am consistent in my ops is all. Where are the posts by the spanners on here bagging Ratts, that praise him after we thumped Collingwood? Find me one from someone that has previously bagged him. There are plenty of well coached posts but none, repeat none from the agenda driven nongs on here (its always the coaches fault when we lose but never anything to do with him when we win according to them). Are you one of them?
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Our side should be winning 17 plus games so anything less is a failure.

Anyone who watches the games can see we have no plan b and that at present our game plan is a direct copy of the pies 2010 except we go through the middle a tad more.

What we all want is some proactive coaching, get on the front foot and set the trends rather than follow the trends.

The premership team typically sets the trend in terms of game style and plan.

- Swans 2006 , man on man
- Hawks 2008 , midefield press
- Cats 2007/2009, down the guts lots of handball
- Pies 2010, fwd press

So what we all want is to see our coaching staff come up with something new and proactive.

Watching Richardson and Ratten during the week was scary when they were commenting on the reasons we have been losing.

My view is our effort has been very good, we have had no trouble scoring, but our game structure has been embarrassing, pressing far to high and leaving us exposed to the counter attack.

For the record I tipped us to win the flag this year despite Rattens coaching as I think we have the side to overcome his lack of creativity, but as time passes I am becoming concerned.

We should and must beat the crows, who are also an average side, who haven't won in Melbourne for god knows how long.
 
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