Brexit - The UK referendum on leaving the EU - May the 24th Be With You

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Just reading about far right party MEPs complaining about not getting the committee chair posts they should get under proportional representation.

Then Ukip and Brexit MEPs chiming in when a) they never show up to committee meetings except to sign on for their per diem, and b) the UK is supposed to be leaving soon anyway.

Though there are a few Brexit MEPs wanting to have a say and put in some committee time, including an ex-Cambridge Analytica employee who worked on the rigged Kenyan elections.

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I note that the Liberal Democrats have launched their new Brexit election policy of cancellation of Article 50 and will seek a mandate to do so at the next election.

So the three cornered contest is settling down into:
Labour = soft Brexit. This is Corbyn's obsession, even though some of his senior party stalwarts have said they will actively campaign for Remain in any new referendum.

Lib-Dems = Remain, with outright cancellation over a second referendum being their preferred option. But expect a second referendum to be the key to supporting any minority government.

Conservatives = Hard Brexot. Even though they are a minority section of the party, the hard Brexiteers have succeeded in positioning the party as the hard Brexit option. Much to the dismay of the moderates.
 

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What's the point of the legal challenges against the prorogation? If Parliament is forcibly recalled what are they actually going to achieve that they've been unable to in the last 3.5 years?
The only thing I could see is that it would allow them to jam an election in a few days before Oct 31
 

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Kudos to the Lib Dems for actually having a concrete plan to resolve the Brexit impasse.

Labour is a hodge-podge of Remain/Leave, a referendum with unknown choices and no guarantee of having a parliament that could deliver on each referendum outcome.

I expect the Tories will still be campaigning for a deal Brexit, with pledge to go with no-deal if a deal can't get voted through.
 

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The only thing I could see is that it would allow them to jam an election in a few days before Oct 31
But the people challenging the prorogation are the ones who don't want an election before Oct 31. Or they don't want one until an extension is agreed, at which point Oct 31 is an irrelevant date.
 

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The prorogation thing is a bit of a moot point now. Parliament had just enough time to force through their bill to make the PM seek an extension rather than crash out with no deal. That is locked in and done now. In fact now that prorogation is in effect it makes it harder for BoJo to do anything about it, he can only take the UK out of the EU with the approval of parliament, he can only call an election with the approval of parliament... but guess what... parliament are not sitting because someone prorogued it.
 

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The prorogation thing is a bit of a moot point now. Parliament had just enough time to force through their bill to make the PM seek an extension rather than crash out with no deal. That is locked in and done now. In fact now that prorogation is in effect it makes it harder for BoJo to do anything about it, he can only take the UK out of the EU with the approval of parliament, he can only call an election with the approval of parliament... but guess what... parliament are not sitting because someone prorogued it.
It leaves very limited time for Parliament to effectively deal with
- a flat refusal by Bozo to obey the law and ask for an extension, and/or
- the other dirty tricks which Cummings and his ilk undoubtedly have in store.
 

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It leaves very limited time for Parliament to effectively deal with
- a flat refusal by Bozo to obey the law and ask for an extension, and/or
- the other dirty tricks which Cummings and his ilk undoubtedly have in store.
Yeah, that is true.

But then there is the question of what the EU will do at the summit in mid October. If the EU decide to unilaterally offer an extension then it must be presented to parliament within 48 hours and they have the numbers to roll BoJo and simply accept it. I'm sure there is a lot of unofficial communication going on between EU leaders and senior British non-government MPs, the EU leaders will be well aware of the situation. Parliament are back in mid October, so there should be about 2 weeks for them to deal with anything before the deadline date. The EU can do it all without meddling in British domestic politics, they just say they are not ready for no deal Brexit on 31 October, which they are not.
 

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They know the 350 million for the NHS lie won them the referendum.

Going back to it now, knowing full well the NHS will be gutted after.
The Trump administration has already clearly stated that winding back/abolshing the NHS would be a necessary part of any future USA-UK trade deal.

Along with lower food safety standards, in particular for uncooked chicken.
 

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Most of the laws are related to the single market and EU standards, if you are in the single market then you have to factor the laws in, no one is an exception to this. This includes environmental laws, packing, logistics, health/food standards, aerospace etc etc. Can't be that hard for Brexiters to get it.
Cant be hard to grasp that the UK is forced by a foreign power to implement laws and regulations.

To buy Brexit you had to buy the fact that the Tories give a s*** about the NHS.
Amusing, it would seem that you actually believe the NHS is something worth preserving. Its not. Its a monumentally useless system.


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Cant be hard to grasp that the UK is forced by a foreign power to implement laws and regulations.
It is a never going to be a matter of the UK regaining that independence. It is either accept a benign EU and be part of the process, or become a vassal of the US and do as they dictate.
 

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It is a never going to be a matter of the UK regaining that independence. It is either accept a benign EU and be part of the process, or become a vassal of the US and do as they dictate.
That's utter nonsense. The EU interferes in far more ways that just trade. Take the idiotic social chapter, CAP and even light bulb standards.

And lol at benign EU.
 

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The dopey muppet let the cat out of the bag. Of course only the utterly ignorant and gullible ever believed the backstop was about maintaining peace rather than tying the UK to a customs union.


The United Kingdom must not be allowed to “pursue a cheap food policy” after it leaves the European Union, Irish Farmers’ Association president Joe Healy has declared.

“It was very important and is very important that the UK in any deal wouldn’t be able to go off and do their own trade deals with other countries,” he told RTÉ’s Radio 1 News at One.

“If in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the UK opens its doors to South American beef this would be nothing short of a catastrophe for our beef industry and would have a devastating effect on farmers the length and breadth of this country.”
 

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The dopey muppet let the cat out of the bag. Of course only the utterly ignorant and gullible ever believed the backstop was about maintaining peace rather than tying the UK to a customs union.


The United Kingdom must not be allowed to “pursue a cheap food policy” after it leaves the European Union, Irish Farmers’ Association president Joe Healy has declared.

“It was very important and is very important that the UK in any deal wouldn’t be able to go off and do their own trade deals with other countries,” he told RTÉ’s Radio 1 News at One.

“If in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the UK opens its doors to South American beef this would be nothing short of a catastrophe for our beef industry and would have a devastating effect on farmers the length and breadth of this country.”
As I have said before, the realistic prospect of a no deal Brexit was the only thing that would get all parties to lay their cards on the table.

As the financial consequences of a no-deal Brexit to both the UK and the EU continue to unravel, the latest industry comments to raise alarm bells have come from French agricultural union head Christiane Lambert.​
“The wines and spirits sectors would be the most badly hit since we currently have a positive balance of €1.3 billion in terms of exports to the UK," Lambert, president of the FNSEA (France’s Federation of Agricultural Holders' Unions), told France Info on Sunday.​
"The second victim would be dairy products, which we currently have a UK exports turnover of €100 million for.​


No deal still could be the best way forward. There will be a period of turmoil followed by a rapid set of agreements as everyone has certainty that Britain has left the EU.
 

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The estimated cost to UK business of following EU regulations is £50-£200 bn a year.

"Governance". Even the EU admits to a massive cost.


In 2004, Peter Mandelson, then European Trade Commissioner, estimated that EU directives and regulations cost 4% of EU GDPper annum.
hahaha! oh dear oh dear. What's the cost of Brexit to the economy Farage lite? And you haven't even had Brexit yet.

Oh yes , Conspiracy, Zionists, GS, right? funny how you cry conspiracy when you don't like a figure. Deloitte, PwC and JP Morgan all have figures between 400 to 800m btw.


A report highlighting the economic impact of Brexit uncertainty on the country, estimates that it has cost the UK around £600m per week since the referendum
This would mean that in the 145 weeks since the referendum the total cost to the UK economy is around £87bn.


The report by Goldman Sachs says Brexit has cost the UK economy 2.4% of its GDP, based on a comparison with its growth before the 2016 referendum. The bank ran a doppelganger study of a hypothetical economy matching Britain’s but that did not experience Brexit shock.
 

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The dopey muppet let the cat out of the bag. Of course only the utterly ignorant and gullible ever believed the backstop was about maintaining peace rather than tying the UK to a customs union.


The United Kingdom must not be allowed to “pursue a cheap food policy” after it leaves the European Union, Irish Farmers’ Association president Joe Healy has declared.

“It was very important and is very important that the UK in any deal wouldn’t be able to go off and do their own trade deals with other countries,” he told RTÉ’s Radio 1 News at One.

“If in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the UK opens its doors to South American beef this would be nothing short of a catastrophe for our beef industry and would have a devastating effect on farmers the length and breadth of this country.”
OK now we’re at the core of your vociferous hatred for the Irish.
 

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The dopey muppet let the cat out of the bag. Of course only the utterly ignorant and gullible ever believed the backstop was about maintaining peace rather than tying the UK to a customs union.


The United Kingdom must not be allowed to “pursue a cheap food policy” after it leaves the European Union, Irish Farmers’ Association president Joe Healy has declared.

“It was very important and is very important that the UK in any deal wouldn’t be able to go off and do their own trade deals with other countries,” he told RTÉ’s Radio 1 News at One.

“If in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the UK opens its doors to South American beef this would be nothing short of a catastrophe for our beef industry and would have a devastating effect on farmers the length and breadth of this country.”
What are you whinging about? Ireland? the country UK has recorded a surplus in goods and services every year since 1998?

Were you in a coma for the past few months? posting old news?

20 years of negotiations to conclude a trade deal... and we had Farage telling us we could have 40 trade deals the second we left the EU. It must really be cool being a simpleton meds.



The European Union and South American bloc Mercosur have struck a trade deal after two decades of negotiations.

The two blocs intensified efforts to reach an agreement after Donald Trump’s presidential victory prompted the EU to halt talks with the United States and look for alternative trading allies.


That push has seen it implement a free trade agreement with Canada and reach agreements with Japan and Mexico and now, after 39 rounds of talks, also a provisional deal with Mercosur – the grouping of Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay.


The EU is already Mercosur’s biggest trade and investment partner and its second largest for trade in goods.
 
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