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China is not into free trade at all they manipulate their currency and restrict trade. They steal IP and they work well outside the WTO.

Having said that the EU is also a problem but not to the same degree

You've adopted Trump's basic premise as the truth, Tintenfische, and it's not. There's your first category error. Because your premise is flawed and therefore not rational, it's not possible to give a rational solution to a problem as defined by Trump.

First, China does steal technology but so do other countries including the United States (Google included). Which country do you think invented the jet plane and the very first nuclear bombs? Hint: It wasn't the US, although it gained access under a very one-sided treaty which still is in force.

Second, most developing countries and a fair number of developed ones attempt to have technology transfer as part of major industrial-economic programs. This, by the way, includes the US.

And third, it's not about China. Trump and Navarro have exactly the same attitude toward Mexico, Canada, South Korea, Japan and the EU.

This is America First, as defined by an economic illiterate and functional moron. It has nothing to do with specific countries in Asia, North America or Europe and Trump is not seeking specific remedies.

He is seeking a mythical Golden Age, where the US can export freely to any country in the world on advantageous terms, (just see the propose Brexit deal by the US) but not accept any such free trade in return.

This is not even Colbertism. This is gun-boat trade diplomacy, last seen in the Opium Wars.

But to answer your question, the answer is to remove Trump, and go back to the old world order where rules matter again and where the WTO is available for any disputes and remedies.

This system was working well, shown by the way the whole global economy including the US was prospering. Trump is not the solution. Trump is the problem.
 
IE Australian meat, free trade what a foreign concept for the left

Really? Does Trump really want the WTO to look into airplane subsidies through defense contracts? Actually there have been many cases on Boeing already. Also don’t think I’ve ever seen French cheese or wine in an American supermarket, seemed to be all US or Mexican everywhere I’ve shopped. Ah i forgot, American "cheese" is not cheese, it is some form of recycled plastic waste product. The Disgraced Former Defence Secretary Liam Fox plans to force the Brits to eat it, along with hormone and anti-biotic adulterated "meat" and chlorine washed "chicken".
 

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That's way more than the UK per capita than EU regulations! But lets blame this on the EU too!!!

So what? They have an expensive healthcare system as well. Doesnt mean the EU isnt a highly regulated protectionist racket.

According the PwC the cost of UK's regulatory framework replace the EU will cost the consumers 80 billion per year and this doesn't include the cost of setting it up which which is estimated to be around 100 billion over 5 years.

Oh the humour. They milk the daylights out of the EU.

 
Essentially you can't trust big business not to cut corners on these things and not put profit ahead of the public good. Hence in any civilised country you need government that regulates business for common good.

The EU doesnt regulate for the common good. It regulates in order to aid big business. Big business LOVES regulation because it creates a large barrier to entry and stifles competition. One such example is clinical trials which are so expensive that only big pharma can carry them out.

Hey, that's dirty Commie talk like that dirty Commie Adam Smith wrote in his dirty Commie manifesto The Wealth of Nations.

As if Smith would have any time for the bureaucracy of the EU let alone their protectionism.

If Australia comes to the uks aid in trade simply because of fellow right wing arse bandits it’s a crying shame after the way UK treat Australia back then. And before that if truth be known

Australia benefitted from imperial preference when trading with the UK. Why was that abolished? THE EU

Brexit is clearly and unarguably in Australia's best interests.
 
He will fit in well.


BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Belgium’s candidate for the incoming European Commission, Foreign Minister Didier Reynders, faces a preliminary probe into accusations of money laundering in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Belgian authorities and two newspapers said.
 
Oh the humour. They milk the daylights out of the EU.


Ah yes, how can i forget , conspiracy!! i would rather listen to reputed agencies like PwC than proven liars like you or Farage. He is skint hey? fancy receiving a 500k "donation" and then crying skint.

Everyone who disagrees with you milk money from the EU, the only beacon of truth are Brexiters? when 95% of the economists are saying no-deal is a disaster. Heck, even see the pound go up in the last few days when no-deal was blocked by the parliament...zionists hey? :drunk: :drunk:

You are struggling big time here.
 
The EU doesnt regulate for the common good. It regulates in order to aid big business. Big business LOVES regulation because it creates a large barrier to entry and stifles competition. One such example is clinical trials which are so expensive that only big pharma can carry them out.



As if Smith would have any time for the bureaucracy of the EU let alone their protectionism.



Australia benefitted from imperial preference when trading with the UK. Why was that abolished? THE EU

Brexit is clearly and unarguably in Australia's best interests.

benefitted compared to other commonwealth vassal states. We were still exploited pretty much with lube
 
Ah yes, how can i forget , conspiracy!! i would rather listen to reputed agencies like PwC than proven liars like you or Farage

The derangement is getting worse by the day. Mussolini would be so proud of the all white (ethnic minorities need not apply) EU commission.


The European commission’s incoming president has been pilloried for giving the EU’s most senior official on migration the job title “protecting our European way of life”.
 
The EU doesnt regulate for the common good. It regulates in order to aid big business. Big business LOVES regulation because it creates a large barrier to entry and stifles competition. One such example is clinical trials which are so expensive that only big pharma can carry them out.

Oh the humour.. 2 words..british steel! EU wanted anti-dumping measures on Chinese steel, a certain country vetoed that...explain to me what happened to the British Steel industry in the past 5 years? you want "protectionism" removed, that's fine, lets flood the market with Chinese products then. 25,000 jobs lost. You cannot compete with Chinese state subsidised firms.
 
The derangement is getting worse by the day. Mussolini would be so proud of the all white (ethnic minorities need not apply) EU commission.


The European commission’s incoming president has been pilloried for giving the EU’s most senior official on migration the job title “protecting our European way of life”.

Shifting the goal-posts again, saying PwC has a conflict of interest with the EU. Don't understand legal s**t don't you? Who needs Mussolini when you have RWNJ's like Farage?

Btw what you think of Boris saying 250m/week was the right figure and not 350? gross/net, i know right? :drunk:
 

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He will fit in well.


BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Belgium’s candidate for the incoming European Commission, Foreign Minister Didier Reynders, faces a preliminary probe into accusations of money laundering in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Belgian authorities and two newspapers said.

LOL!!! oh the humour. How about Farage, Banks et.all criminal gangs disclose all their foreign accounts and income first? Rees-Mogg, Aaron Banks, Nigel Farage all appeared on Paradise papers...do you even think before you post?? way to own yourself dude. Atlest the bloke above is not crying skint, imagine the crocodile tears from Farage when his company only earned half a million quid last year and another half a million worth gift from Banks! such role models.

It's ludicrous that you keep defending these pathological liars while pointing finger at others.

Calls himself skint with a 4million house and on €101,000 per year,Oh yeah, he’s really in touch with the average working joe/mary in the UK, a real man of the people.

One can only feel empathy for such a man!!!!!
 
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The derangement is getting worse by the day. Mussolini would be so proud of the all white (ethnic minorities need not apply) EU commission.

Considering you are up and about the brown grooming gangs in the UK shouldnt that please you? and how about your Man Nige? the blokewho spoke about his hatred for career politicians just the other day,discusses how his career as a politician has left him broke.He also speaks about his hatred of elites from a 4m pound Chelsea townhouse while bemoaning the fact he spends more money than he earns.All in a puff piece in the Daily Heil where they never even questioned him endorsing Roy Moore,an openly racist paedophile.

Hypocrisy meds! you support guys like him...aren't you ashamed?
 
Considering you are up and about the brown grooming gangs in the UK shouldnt that please you? and how about your Man Nige?

Remove foot from mouth. Farage wants a non discriminatory points based skilled migration system

Unlike freedom of movement for white eastern europeans at the expense of others.

Look at you condoning blatant bigotry. Have you become a member of AFD lately? Or is Orban more your go?
 
Remove foot from mouth. Farage wants a non discriminatory points based skilled migration system

Unlike freedom of movement for white eastern europeans at the expense of others.

Look at you condoning blatant bigotry. Have you become a member of AFD lately? Or is Orban more your go?

lol! really? so white people are the problem? so what was this then?

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Oh yes i know, right? incase you want further proof, here is Farage lying (again).


Campaign fear and campaign lies. I was never about white people, it's always about RWNJ and selling your country out to the US. You think its a coincidence that both Farage and Johnson are Trump's bum buddies?

and....

LOL! way to change the discussion again. You were grilling a man from Brussells cause he was being investigated for money laundering. I just pointed out the hypocrisy in your post considering most of the prominent Brexiters are scamming lying thieves anyway.

I haven't become AfD at all, your man knows quite a few of them and regularly attends their meetings..surely you are aware of it?

and cool, so you admit they broke the law? Apparently, now it is not in the public interest to defend the electoral law when it is broken. Great message to send anyone thinking of fixing their local election or stuffing ballot boxes.

Not only do we now have a government who think it ok to claim they will ignore the law but also the Police and CPS are also complicit.

Well if they spent 10% more than they were legally allowed then 10% of the votes shouldnt have count as they were obtained through an unfair advantage to one side.

Democracy is pointless if one side is allowed to cheat without consequences, even if its not criminal its still undemocratic and it should be addressed.

Great to see people like you are the flag bearer of democracy.

If you ever look at the mirror you are looking at the problem.

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Criminal. Yep how did the case against vote leave go? You are the Dave Warner of figbooty. Cant even buy a run.


LOL! dear oh dear...i never even argued about Leave EU. I argued about the criminals behind the Brexit campaign, not a particular party or a camapaign in general. Deflection haha yes yes that's you.

Have i argued against Leave EU? if so where? Banks is a criminal, Nige is a fraudster who has lied to the people from his 4m dollar Chelsea home while earning 100k a year plus deposits in his off shore account. Have you not seen Paradise or Panama papers?

And last but not the least, aren't you ashamed of supporting a man who openly voiced his support for a racist pedo just because you agree with his political ideology? What happened to Breaking point? what happened to the Turks are coming? what happened to the Norway Model which he mentioned atleast a million times before the polls? do you admit these were lies?

You never really answer any of my questions, you just cherry pick and go off on a tangent ranting about stuff i am not even arguing about.

Even while doing that you manage to own yourself, admitting Leave EU indeed broke the law. LOL..

and while we are at Vote leave topic... what you think of this?

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Another lie i know.

Sucks to be you.
 
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BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Belgium’s candidate for the incoming European Commission, Foreign Minister Didier Reynders, faces a preliminary probe into accusations of money laundering in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Belgian authorities and two newspapers said.


Just showing how pathetic your posting has become. Ever heard of glass houses? do tell why do you keep supporting these fraudsters? if anyone in the EU does it however then all hell breaks loose! meds, do you even believe the s**t you type?
 
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As if Smith would have any time for the bureaucracy of the EU let alone their protectionism.

What exactly is wrong with protectionism? do you have an idea the extent to which US protects its airline manufacturing for example? that includes subsidies worth 100 billion dollars and several billion awarded defense contracts? Since 1981, the U.S have slapped tariffs, duties, or quotas on autos, lumber, machine tools, motorcycles, semiconductors, and steel, and have flirted in Congress with protection for shoes and wine, among other products. Never heard how the US bi-cycle industry survived the torrid times in the 80's have you? how about steel?

How about Australia? taxing 10% GST on all low value imports? lack of protectionism is why nothing is made in Australia anymore. You want big business' to take their jobs to China and India that's fine, but don't cry when jobs are lost. British industry is decimated thanks to people like you veoting the EU proposing anti-dumping measures for Chinese steel. Resulted in 40,000 job losses and 2,000 bankruptcies alone. Why would anyone pay 50 percent premium on British steel if they are getting it for half the price from China? why???
 
Considering you are up and about the brown grooming gangs in the UK shouldnt that please you? and how about your Man Nige? the blokewho spoke about his hatred for career politicians just the other day,discusses how his career as a politician has left him broke.He also speaks about his hatred of elites from a 4m pound Chelsea townhouse while bemoaning the fact he spends more money than he earns.All in a puff piece in the Daily Heil where they never even questioned him endorsing Roy Moore,an openly racist paedophile.

Hypocrisy meds! you support guys like him...aren't you ashamed?

So hes the UKs Barnaby Joyce?
 
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