Brexit - The UK referendum on leaving the EU - Reneging, reshmeging!

[Total Power]

For those of you who dont understand how EU legislations work like meds, here is a graphic.

Legislative procedure

www.europarl.europa.eu

 

[QuietB]

I cannot believe Brexit is still a thing.

Trump is pursuing a more and more isolationist policy for the USA so let's turn our back on Europe

Just cause we don't like brown people

 

[Ned_Flanders]

I cannot believe Brexit is still a thing.

Trump is pursuing a more and more isolationist policy for the USA so let's turn our back on Europe

Just cause we don't like brown people

And Polish people....

And the Irish!!!!

 

[NSWCROW]

 

[ChappyUK]

So now the UK are in the position they should have been in 3 years ago.

 

[JackOutback]

But Alexander Downer was just on News 24 saying the EU would have to negotiate now because of Boris’s ‘overwhelming majority’ and because they would look bad if they didn’t.

I thought it was Meds for a moment.

 

[FredLeDeux]

But Alexander Downer was just on News 24 saying the EU would have to negotiate now because of Boris’s ‘overwhelming majority’ and because they would look bad if they didn’t.

I thought it was Meds for a moment.

Could be, could be, wouldn't rule it out.

 

[ChappyUK]

They want the divorce bill payment so they will come to the table.

 

[Total Power]

They want the divorce bill payment so they will come to the table.

I think the situation is a bit more nuanced. Firstly, the £39 billion was never expected to be paid in one go - the agreement is for instalments over 10 years. Given an EU budget of €166 billion a year, the loss of about €4 billion is a bit like someone on £160k a year having to get by on £156k. Hardly belt tightening.

Secondly, the EU could use the nuclear option of WTO suspension of the UK. As the EU and other countries in a free trade arrangement with it account for just over 100 of the WTO’s 164 members, it’s an odd-on bet it would pass. No point in blaming the EU for doing this if Johnson’s aggressive actions are the catalyst.

Furthermore, negotiation of the future (trade) relationship - whether under GATT 24 or not - cannot begin until the Withdrawal Agreement has been accepted. How are you going to overcome that little problem? Article 24 only applies to countries who are on the verge of finalizing free-trade agreements with each other — a situation the U.K. would certainly not be in on November 1 this year, whether there is a deal or no deal. Funny how Bojo, Farage, Rees Mogg have no clue (they been touting about this WTO option for so long now) how WTO works and neither does Brexiters like meds here. Sums them up in a nutshell.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

I think the situation is a bit more nuanced. Firstly, the £39 billion was never expected to be paid in one go - the agreement is for instalments over 10 years. Given an EU budget of €166 billion a year, the loss of about €4 billion is a bit like someone on £160k a year having to get by on £156k. Hardly belt tightening.

Secondly, the EU could use the nuclear option of WTO suspension of the UK. As the EU and other countries in a free trade arrangement with it account for just over 100 of the WTO’s 164 members, it’s an odd-on bet it would pass. No point in blaming the EU for doing this if Johnson’s aggressive actions are the catalyst.

Furthermore, negotiation of the future (trade) relationship - whether under GATT 24 or not - cannot begin until the Withdrawal Agreement has been accepted. How are you going to overcome that little problem? Article 24 only applies to countries who are on the verge of finalizing free-trade agreements with each other — a situation the U.K. would certainly not be in on November 1 this year, whether there is a deal or no deal. Funny how Bojo, Farage, Rees Mogg have no clue (they been touting about this WTO option for so long now) how WTO works and neither does Brexiters like meds here. Sums them up in a nutshell.

NaH dEy HaV tEh Ex CoLoNiEs wILl SoLvE aLl pRobLEms

 

[Total Power]

NaH dEy HaV tEh Ex CoLoNiEs wILl SoLvE aLl pRobLEms

As per meds, age of enlightenment that the British empire showered on the entire world, while killing a few million and raping and enslaving a few million or billion too, but don't forget the enlightenment.

 

[Mofra]

So now the UK are in the position they should have been in 3 years ago.

Screwed?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Both empires have resorted to court jesters. Both are having their final flickers.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

 

[Ned_Flanders]

At least it's no excuses now. The brexiteers have exactly what they wanted. Now we get to watch them deliver on their many promises

 

[Elroo]

As per meds, age of enlightenment that the British empire showered on the entire world, while killing a few million and raping and enslaving a few million or billion too, but don't forget the enlightenment.

Not only that, the great English Empire we keep hearing about included these very same conquered people being given rights, like the ability move to the UK . And now all we hear is something something immigrants!

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Varadkar tells Johnson new Brexit deal ‘not going to happen’

Taoiseach warns new British prime minister his negotiation plans are ‘not in the real world’

about 9 hours ago
Fiach Kelly Deputy Political Editor

Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has told Boris Johnson, the new British prime minister, that an entirely new Brexit deal “is not going to happen”.

He also said negotiating a new deal “within weeks or months” - with Mr Johnson saying he can leave the EU with a new deal by the next Brexit deadline on October 31st - is “not in the real world”.

Mr Varadkar’s blunt message, in an interview on RTÉ News, came after Mr Johnson’s maiden speech as prime minister in Downing Street.

Mr Johnson said: “I am convinced we can do a deal without checks at the Irish Border, because we refuse under any circumstances to have such checks and yet without that anti-democratic backstop.”

The backstop is the insurance policy to ensure there is no hard border on the island of Ireland.

In response, Mr Varadkar said Mr Johnson’s message was “clear-cut but certainly not detailed”.

“I think what I’d like to do is hear from him, to hear him put some flesh on the bones of what he heard today,” the Taoiseach said. “Confidence and enthusiasm is not a substitute for a European policy or a foreign policy. I want to hear in detail what he has in mind.

“Listening to what he said today, I got the impression that he wasn’t just talking about deleting the backstop, he was talking about a whole new deal, a better deal for Britain. That is not going to happen.”

He said the European Council does not meet again until mid-October and has “no plans” to meet any earlier than that.

‘Not in real world’

“And even if we were changing the negotiating guidelines, we wouldn’t be changing until then. So any suggestion that there can be a whole new deal negotiated in weeks or months is totally not in the real world.”

However, with Mr Johnson insisting Britain will leave the EU without a deal on the October 31st if necessary, Mr Varadkar said he is “confident” there are “enough people” in the House of Commons “who won’t do that to their country and I still believe that is very unlikely”.

Other parties, aside from the Conservatives, are opposed to a no-deal Brexit, with many Tory rebels also expected to oppose a no-deal Brexit.

“It is a very unstable political situation in the UK and that in some ways has given rise to this situation, but we are stable here,” Mr Varadkar said. “We are calm, we have a clear policy, we have lots of detail behind it and we have got solid support from other EU members states and the EU institutions. We are in strong position to get through this.”

He insisted that Ireland’s “red lines” have not changed.

“There can’t be a hard border between north and south and the rights and freedoms of people in Northern Ireland, particularly Irish citizens in Northern Ireland, have to be protected.”

He admitted he is “at odds” with Mr Johnson, but added: “These are the kind of things that we are going to have to discuss. I look forward to having the opportunity to sit down with him one to one and also for our teams to meet together and really see if he can put a little bit of detail behind some of those slogans and statements because we haven’t got that yet.

“We look forward to an early engagement to talk about Brexit, to talk about Northern Ireland and to talk about bilateral relations between the UK and Ireland into the future.”

Varadkar tells Johnson new Brexit deal ‘not going to happen’

Taoiseach warns new British prime minister his negotiation plans are ‘not in the real world’

www.irishtimes.com

Got 'im right where we want him! /medusala

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Varadkar tells Johnson new Brexit deal ‘not going to happen’

The EU have been telling them that for 3 years the Leavers are too brain dead for it to sink in, at some point they started to believe their own lies.

 

[Gough]

The EU have been telling them that for 3 years the Leavers are too brain dead for it to sink in, at some point they started to believe their own lies.

Something something spirit of the blitz because it was awesome getting bombed every night. I saw one Tory twit saying he voted for Boris because he'd "raise morale".

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Something something spirit of the blitz because it was awesome getting bombed every night. I saw one Tory twit saying he voted for Boris because he'd "raise morale".

None of these * sticks actually lived through World War II.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

None of these fu** sticks actually lived through World War II.

A fair few of them probably would have sold out their countrymen to the Germans if given the chance

 

[Gough]

As dirty lefty Max Hastings said of him recently, he supposes himself to be Winston Churchill, while in reality being closer to Alan Partridge.

 

[FredLeDeux]

A fair few of them probably would have sold out their countrymen to the Germans if given the chance

Don't mention the royal family.

 

[Gough]

Don't mention the royal family.

They were just supporting the home team as they saw it.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

They were just supporting the home team as they saw it.

Each way bet really, George was for Britain and Edward was sympathetic to the Germans so they kept him well away.