UK Brexit - The UK referendum on leaving the EU - Pt 2: Johnson's Folly

[SBD Gonzalez]

I mean, who would have thought, that precipitously breaking away from a relationship that had slowly evolved, transformed, and finessed over nearly half a century would lead to chaos and a lower standard of living?

Who among us could have seen that coming?

 

[darth_timon]

If we arrive at a point where Scotland votes for independence, and they immediately make moves to rejoin the EU, I'd seriously consider moving up there. My fellow English by and large disappoint and infuriate me. Why they keep voting Tory, I will never know.

 

[NSWCROW]

Probably meds lol

 

[Cap]

Ouch

 

[darth_timon]

Ouch

And yet, there are still people out there who think Brexit was a good idea.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Ouch

Oh, and look at where Ireland is.

During the debate over the Irish backstop, I remember hearing one caller on James O'Brien propose that Ireland have a referendum on leaving the EU too, probably imagining that Irish people would hate the EU just as much and want to leave also, thereby solving the border issue. But the Irish don't suffer from the same delusions of grandeur as the English, they know full well that EU membership is a big factor in their prosperity, and even more so now that Dublin seems to be replacing London as the main English-speaking entry point to the single market for multinationals.

 

[darth_timon]

Oh, and look at where Ireland is.

During the debate over the Irish backstop, I remember hearing one caller on James O'Brien propose that Ireland have a referendum on leaving the EU too, probably imagining that Irish people would hate the EU just as much and want to leave also, thereby solving the border issue. But the Irish don't suffer from the same delusions of grandeur as the English, they know full well that EU membership is a big factor in their prosperity, and even more so now that Dublin seems to be replacing London as the main English-speaking entry point to the single market for multinationals.

If it were practical, I'd seriously consider leaving England for Ireland. A part of me wants Scotland to become independent, so I can move there, and escape the crap of the Tories.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If it were practical, I'd seriously consider leaving England for Ireland. A part of me wants Scotland to become independent, so I can move there, and escape the crap of the Tories.

They should, honestly. There was a time in life where I wanted to move to England due to my enjoyment of their cultural exports and the natural beauty of the land, but I've since realised the society is sick, and the majority of the people are delusional and selfish. And someone like Starmer who tries very hard not to offend anybody isn't going to fix that. So now I'd rather move to Ireland or an independent Scotland.

 

[peetoo]

And yet, there are still people out there who think Brexit was a good idea.

Wasn’t ‘brexity’ enough apparently

 

[peetoo]

They should, honestly. There was a time in life where I wanted to move to England due to my enjoyment of their cultural exports and the natural beauty of the land, but I've since realised the society is sick, and the majority of the people are delusional and selfish. And someone like Starmer who tries very hard not to offend anybody isn't going to fix that. So now I'd rather move to Ireland or an independent Scotland.

I’m waiting for property to get dirt cheap. Could spend melbourne winters there now climate change has improved the summers (not much greenery to be found though)

 

[Cap]

And yet, there are still people out there who think Brexit was a good idea.

There is only 1 type of person who still thinks its a good idea.

They usually have issue with 'immigrant's' and a complete lack of understanding of everything else.

 

[Cap]

So now I'd rather move to Ireland or an independent Scotland.

Genuinely didn't think in my lifetime I'd see what we are seeing in Northern Ireland.

Scotland is going to be interesting to watch. You wonder how much the last vote had to do with staying in the UK v staying in the EU.

 

[Gough]

Good thing Harry Kane's skin colour will save him the sort of vitriol handed out after England lost the Euros.

 

[NSWCROW]

siri , what is a " cuck " ?

 

[Total Power]

Bank of England calls for 'urgent' global action after near-collapse of UK pension funds

The Bank of England called for "urgent international action" from regulators after it was forced to rescue U.K. pension funds in September.

www.cnbc.com

 

[E Shed]

Bank of England calls for 'urgent' global action after near-collapse of UK pension funds

The Bank of England called for "urgent international action" from regulators after it was forced to rescue U.K. pension funds in September.

www.cnbc.com

Incredible that conservatives can still talk themselves up as better at managing finances when ideology trumps anything resembling sanity or even, heaven forbid the common good.

 

[Bareth Garry]

It's interesting to see all these polls showing Labour having huge leads over the Tories are based largely on seats that voted traditionally for labour, then for Tory in 2015 after being promised a brexit referendum, brexit in 2016, Tory in 2019, and now going back to Labour. This has been a complete waste of time. All this to avoid a Labour government led by Ed Miliband.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

The wreckage of Brexit is all around us. How long can our politicians indulge in denial? | John Harris

If both parties ignore the uncomfortable facts, politics will be flooded with dangerous conspiracies and betrayal myths, says Guardian columnist John Harris

www.theguardian.com

 

[E Shed]

The wreckage of Brexit is all around us. How long can our politicians indulge in denial? | John Harris

If both parties ignore the uncomfortable facts, politics will be flooded with dangerous conspiracies and betrayal myths, says Guardian columnist John Harris

www.theguardian.com

I feel increasingly fortunate Australia managed to escape the worst of what Trump, Johnson, Murdoch have wrought on the US, UK despite the Libs doing their best to impose that sort of politics here.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I feel increasingly fortunate Australia managed to escape the worst of what Trump, Johnson, Murdoch have wrought on the US, UK despite the Libs doing their best to impose that sort of politics here.

Agreed. Thank funk that over a century ago our forebears put in place preferential voting, compulsory voting, and an impartial AEC.

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Agreed. Thank funk that over a century ago our forebears put in place preferential voting, compulsory voting, and an impartial AEC.

The folly in the UK and US shows many disturbing things. Like how ignorant the average person is, being so easily influenced (brainwashed) by Murdoch slogans ahead of facts. And how said ignorant persons double down when confronted with the reality of their choices. In the UK, those believing Brexit was the best choice are now only just in the minority which is frankly astounding given the state of the UK.

 

[Gough]

Support for leaving EU has fallen significantly across bloc since Brexit

People less likely to vote leave in every EU member state for which data was available than in 2016-17, survey finds

www.theguardian.com

Europe pointing and laughing at the Brits.

 

[CD Xbow]

Genuinely didn't think in my lifetime I'd see what we are seeing in Northern Ireland.

Scotland is going to be interesting to watch. You wonder how much the last vote had to do with staying in the UK v staying in the EU.

It is a delicious irony that Brexit could ultimately see Scotland and a united Ireland leaving the UK for the greener pastures of the EU. It is not an impossible scenario and one that would confirm the 'law of unintended consequences'.

 

[Cap]

It is a delicious irony that Brexit could ultimately see Scotland and a united Ireland leaving the UK for the greener pastures of the EU. It is not an impossible scenario and one that would confirm the 'law of unintended consequences'.

The hilarious part is watching people who support Brexit, deny Scotland their own vote.

It would be hilarious to see.

 

[The Warlord]

Going to happen next year it seems.

My tip? England votes to leave, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland vote to stay.

But overall Britain votes to leave.

Then all hell breaks loose.

That MaddAdam is a good judge of international affairs.

As I said elsewhere in these Brexit threads, England's return to its original pre imperial state as a violent and divided polity perpetually interfering in the affairs of its neighbours and meddling in Europe.

Henry Tudor would love the drip feed of arms to a client regime in Kyiv and political meddling with Scotland via the GRA.