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He kicked two goals in the Goulburn Valley Football League? That's not much of a CV.
Also played 2 games in the VFL for Werribee, one against the Hawks VFL team where my recollection is he spent time on the AFL listed Tim O'Brien and his intercept marking [10] was a feature on the day ultimately making the best players. I'd suggest we had a scout at that game late in the season as we had been tracking him throughout the previous 2 seasons and that effort may have sold us on taking him on as development rookie.

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A bit tough how old is he? A young bloke preforming against men in a senior grand final is still a good effort, country footballers do not give an inch when a premiership is on the line. Bloody tough football at times.
He shows a bit!
With a December 31 birthday he was the youngest player in the in the 2017 Draft and if he'd been born a day later he'd have been eligible for the 2018 draft and likely the reason he was overlooked by some clubs the 1st time round. Lachie Murphy was another with a December birthday that missed out in his original draft year, Birth dates are often overlooked and underrated when assessing draftees, especially developing young talls like Butts.
 

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I think he is already a sure thing if you look at how his junior career tracked and how he has already caught the eye on the GC. If it cost us the Carlton 1st to get him this year I would do it in a heartbeat unless he gets struck down with terrible injury. He is going to be a superstar of the comp and the earlier we could get him the better. Absolute elite end quality does not grow on trees
Nothing is ever a sure thing, seeing all sports are littered with can't miss prospects, who well miss. Though, I agree the earlier the better, as us having more control of his development is a good thing.

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The difference is it took Richmond 3 guys (Catangna, Butler, Rioli) and West Coast 2 in (Ryan & Rioli) to do what Cyril did.

They cant be just defensive forwards they have to be dangerous as well and it helps if ones surname is Rioli.

I actually think we've got it right with Stengle, McAdam, McHenry along with Betts & Knight and ridiculously cheaply.

Stengle is a bargain, don't let the price fool you.

I wouldn't think small forward needs to be talked about for close to a decade and with pick 1 or 2 this year mids should be sorted as well.
MCrouch, BCrouch, Milera, Knight, Jones, McHenry & Rowell or Anderson with Gallucci bringing up the rear.

Lukosius is the one I'd be aiming for in 2-3 years. he just offers so much versatility.
Richmond completely disagree with you. Those three small forwards were all defensive smalls (Richmond approximately the same offensive output out of Jack Riewoldt as they did their entire small forward contingent). Equally, it was not about doing what Cyril did. It was primarily about shutting down the opposition ball movement (in which a lot of it starts in the back 50), which Richmond did to a damn effective level. There is nothing sexy about it at all, damn effective though.

Though, I agree with us having it right from how I see it. Especially if you get some midfield rotations out of that lot seeing it'll up the overall amount of pressure we can force on the opponent. Something that'll help immensely with any premiership assault.
 

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Nothing is ever a sure thing, seeing all sports are littered with can't miss prospects, who well miss. Though, I agree the earlier the better, as us having more control of his development is a good thing.



Richmond completely disagree with you. Those three small forwards were all defensive smalls (Richmond approximately the same offensive output out of Jack Riewoldt as they did their entire small forward contingent). Equally, it was not about doing what Cyril did. It was primarily about shutting down the opposition ball movement (in which a lot of it starts in the back 50), which Richmond did to a damn effective level. There is nothing sexy about it at all, damn effective though.

Though, I agree with us having it right from how I see it. Especially if you get some midfield rotations out of that lot seeing it'll up the overall amount of pressure we can force on the opponent. Something that'll help immensely with any premiership assault.
They kick 30, 26 and 25 goals respectively to be their 3rd, 4th and 5th leading goal kickers. They didn't rate that high in tackle numbers and even Nankervis laid more.

Anyway my point is a dangerous forward is worth more than just a pure defensive
 

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Jordan Butts whilst we probably had defence more in mind when we drafted him played quite a bit up forward for the Murray Bushrangers especially last season and played up forward kicking 2 goals in the Shepparton Bears 2018 A grade Grand Final win in the Goulburn Valley Football League. He's definitely capable at both ends.
I deliberately didn't include him because our KPD stocks are even more fragile and think he will be needed down there 1st.
We only have 5 KPP over 195cm and Butts and Himmelberg being the only guys under 27.

I agree i think he could be one of those unique guys that could play a multiple of roles with his athleticism.
 
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This is a fantasy thread. We never seem to entice SA players back unlike the Vic clubs with Vic kids. Gibbs came back on massive overs considering his age. We needed him in his prime. Betts was a bargain in hindsight.
I get the feeling these two will end up like Gold Coast versions of Matthew Pavlich.
 

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Is this thread becoming a bit of a bummer to anyone else too? Every time I see it now it just highlights the fact that we did not get my draft crush!

Not sure I can handle that for a year/years/potentially full careers
 
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Luko has 1 possession almost half time in the JLT game ..... Bicks what we raised during the Draft re his lack of contested marking is starting to count

Commentators are saying Luko prefers to lead for his balls, and he's not getting those opportunities & has no plan B ......Yet !
 

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Luko has 1 possession almost half time in the JLT game ..... Bicks what we raised during the Draft re his lack of contested marking is starting to count

Commentators are saying Luko prefers to lead for his balls, and he's not getting those opportunities & has no plan B ......Yet !
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Looked lost out there .....at the Crows, he'd be playing SANFL all year ......these bottom clubs **** young players
Correct weight.

Raw talent will only take you so far in the early years of an AFL career. You need those experienced on-field leaders to teach you the ins and outs of the game. GC have none.

It would not surprise me if players such as Caldwell, Hately, Jones, Rozee and co. go past Rankine & Luko very quickly.


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Just looked at the stats of the GC game.

GC won the hit outs 64 to 18. Sydney didnt even play a ruckman other than Alir Alir? That cant be right surely.

Rankine with zero tackles is the stat that should ring alarm bells. Somebody said Luko only had 1 possession till half time. So 2 goals and 12 touches in the second half is quite a good return.
 
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Just looked at the stats of the GC game.

GC won the hit outs 64 to 18. Sydney didnt even play a ruckman other than Alir Alir? That cant be right surely.

Rankine with zero tackles is the stat that should ring alarm bells. Somebody said Luko only had 1 possession till half time. So 2 goals and 12 touches in the second half is quite a good return.
I think Luko had 2 DT points almost 3/3 time .....it's hard when you're the go to player in U18's ...to "who are you" ? in seniors
 

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Bit rich to be doubting the projection or development of luko or rankine just yet.

They've shown plenty in their time in jlt, playing primarily as forwards in a team which lacks great supply. If any of our young lads looked that good we would be raving about them, and really only Jones has made anywhere near the impression those two already have.

I like our boys but don't take away from the supreme talents luko and rankine are.
 

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Correct weight.

Raw talent will only take you so far in the early years of an AFL career. You need those experienced on-field leaders to teach you the ins and outs of the game. GC have none.

It would not surprise me if players such as Caldwell, Hately, Jones, Rozee and co. go past Rankine & Luko very quickly.


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Even more importantly, you need good structures an a working game plan to develop players. After all, it's much easier to learn a minor role in a side then try to play in a style that doesn't work. That shit destroys confidence and ruins talent.
 

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Luko has 1 possession almost half time in the JLT game ..... Bicks what we raised during the Draft re his lack of contested marking is starting to count

Commentators are saying Luko prefers to lead for his balls, and he's not getting those opportunities & has no plan B ......Yet !
The best contested marks in the AFL only do it twice a game. It's irrelevant, next to actually outworking your opponent and getting maybe a dozen marks a game. Having to be a contested mark means you're probably not getting seperation.
 

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The best contested marks in the AFL only do it twice a game. It's irrelevant, next to actually outworking your opponent and getting maybe a dozen marks a game. Having to be a contested mark means you're probably not getting seperation.
I wouldn't call it irrelevant despite that point, seeing it does give you a weapon in a worse case scenario, and one that has the potential to be a match winning weapon on the very rare occasion. That said not being a good contested mark certainly won't harm a key forward career.
 

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Far out hasn't played a game yet let's give him a game at least
To be fair, nothing there isn't false. It's incredibly rare that a first year player stars at this level (happens of course) so to state he is someway off is a safe assumption. Also it's guaranteed he'd develop better in an environment like Adelaide compared to Gold Coast. All top line prospects would just due to entering into a side with a well defined game plan, and who is well drilled.
 

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To be fair, nothing there isn't false. It's incredibly rare that a first year player stars at this level (happens of course) so to state he is someway off is a safe assumption. Also it's guaranteed he'd develop better in an environment like Adelaide compared to Gold Coast. All top line prospects would just due to entering into a side with a well defined game plan, and who is well drilled.
Yeah of course but let's wait until he plays an actual game or 10. Posters here also wanted to write off Milera prematurely.
 
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