How is getting rid of these guys in winning trades (except for Cloke) that IMPROVED our list, bad list management?
The vocal complaints about Buckley trading out Premiership players, is now making those same critics eat their words.
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How is getting rid of these guys in winning trades (except for Cloke) that IMPROVED our list, bad list management?
The vocal complaints about Buckley trading out Premiership players, is now making those same critics eat their words.
Scodog10
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I just can't believe it's been 5 seasons since the deal was done! Not interested in getting him back and his deal is one of the only clear wins we've had on premiership players we've let go.
jmac70
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We did alright in the Dawes trade.
Scodog10
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Like many of those deals I'll back us in for the future, but right now it's 50-50 for me. I can see plenty of off topic follow up comments to my post so just to reiterate it's based on right now and not the future!
Every premiership player we have let go has been a win for us...on the grounds that none of them have achieved anything worthwhile since they left. The only arguable exceptions are Shaw and Beams and we drew exccellent trade value out of them and are still ahead.
Just because some of the plalyers drafted with the trade picks havent worked out (thats the nature of drafting) doesnt mean the trade wasnt worthwhile or the correct decision. None of them have proven Collingwood wrong. Not Wellingham, not Dawes, not Thomas, not Brown, not Lumumba, not Shaw, not Beams (last two for reasons mentioned above). And for that matter you can add Seedsman Kennedy and afew others to that list. Possibly and exceptuion is Witts and he still woulnt be in our best 22 if he stayed.
Scodog10
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No that's wrong.
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I can find genuine speed all the way up to pick 60/70 in this draft and the Boot is cooked, so no
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No for me.
Yes I do. That sums up our list and why we finished where we have in recent years. He's handy enough but he's 2017's Obree/Lockyer.
Wellingham finished 9th at WCE in 2015 if top 10's are that important and they were a lot better than we are now. He also finished 12th in the Copeland in 2010.
In reality we got Ben Kennedy. We would have got Grundy anyway given WCE had the pick before us and had surplus rucks.
Firstly the comment wasn't only about trades and we have gone backwards rapidly and continuously and have a long way to go just to be top 4 contenders. Not sure how that is good list management by any definition - except for the perennial cheerleaders "future's so bright we gotta wear shades" definition.
That aside, I'm not sure many of the trades improved our list. As I said above re really got Kennedy for Wellingham and we got Broomhead for Dawes. Beams and Shaw are big losses. Most of the rest are probably marginal. Treloar is a good player but he cost us 2 first rounders. The second more than we anticipated because we over estimated the list and where we would finish.
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Lockyer?
Was a great player.
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No romance involved with my call on Wellingham. It’s a needs based comment.
Will he be a part of our future going forward past 2018? Probably not, but he can still be the 23rd-27th, which isn’t a bad thing to have of Wellingham’s skill set.
I genuinely believe he’d push for a top 22 spot in our list and can offer more between the two arches as a flanker than the likes of Thomas, Aish, Smith and Sinclair. Sidebottom and WHE have the two wings covered, but there’s no harm in having a flanker like Wellingham giving them a breather.
I don’t think it’ll happen, but we aren’t quite deep, talent-wise, at present. I don’t envision him keeping a kid out, as guys like Daicos and Brown aren’t quite ready yet for consistent AFL game time.
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recruiting wellingham because he's an improvement on Thomas, Aish, Smith and Sinclair is the definition of compounding a mistake.
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I don’t think he’s as bad as you/others think. Doesn’t matter, very unlikely he’d be back in B&W anyway.
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Best case scenario he's marginally better than them and i don't see the point of wasting a spot on the list for a veteran player that we don't really need.
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Do we need him, and does he want to play still and again with us.
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Never great. He was serviceable. He was never the same after his knee reco. More to the point he and O'Bree were the medium paced trundlers that had to be replaced to win a flag and they were dropped in 2010 as Pendlebury & Thomas came through and the likes of Wellingham took over as the midfield rotation options.
We won a flag with Blair and Maccaffer .....Lockyer and Medhurst were very unlucky to not be premiership players ahead of these two..
And O'Bree was replaced by Ball.
Weliingham was definitely best 22 at the time though. Never kicked on despite his talent. Too lazy.
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Medhust for sure. Malthouse even admitted he erred in leaving out of the seniors for so long that he couldn't bring him back for the finals (in his view). Medhurst was a bloody good player. Blair is an interesting one. I think he suited the game plan as much as anything but he was definitely a marginal player. Lockyer didn't even get called up to replace Davis which would have been a more direct in than Goldsack. By that time he wasn't quick enough and didn't get enough of the ball.
Re O'Bree's "replacement" - it was more of an overall midfield mix that was the issue. A few years previously MM and Buttifant decided our midfield wasn't good enough so they came up with the high rotations as a way of keeping up the intensity. Meanwhile Pendlebury and Thomas kicked on and others came through. The issue with O'Bree was pace and footskills. Ball didn't solve that problem. Wellingham helped. I don't think it's a one for one thing though.
Not sure O'Brees problem was anything other than he was getting to the end of his career. Its no coincidence that a like-for-like player (Ball) was recruited to play the exact same role of being a specialist in the clearances. As statred ad infinitum at the time Collingwood urgently needed senior players to assist/replace Fraser and O'Bree if they wanted to win a premiership.
Same too for Lockyer really Servicable player who was at the end of his career.
Medhurst got injured at the wrong time of year and was not given any further opportunity to come back. Little wonder he retired early, probably pissed off with Mick after being AA in 2008.
All off topic of course. Wellingham ha his career ahead of him and he largely blew it. Had one decent seasosn at the Eagles where he was given the role of sweeper across half back gathering cheap possessions.
Same too for Lockyer really Servicable player who was at the end of his career.
Medhurst got injured at the wrong time of year and was not given any further opportunity to come back. Little wonder he retired early, probably pissed off with Mick after being AA in 2008.
All off topic of course. Wellingham ha his career ahead of him and he largely blew it. Had one decent seasosn at the Eagles where he was given the role of sweeper across half back gathering cheap possessions.
Not really if you balance the loss with the worth of his replacement Dawes. Broomhead has been hugely disappointing. It was a lose lose really for both clubs.
No, getting rid of Dawes was and always will be a good trade. The lottery of what you do with the draft pick is irrelevant. It also freed up salary cap as he was on decent coin.
We had three picks in a row fwiw and one of them was Grundy....if you want to use the "what we did with the pick" lineof argument. And the third was Kennedy who didnt work out but ended up help landing us Howe in a trade. And Broomhead unlike Dawes is still listed!!!
