Prediction Brisbane Lions 2017 Coach is Chris Fagan

[Tony012000]

Grain of salt,...have every faith that Noble & Co will assemble the best team...It was well established prior to selecting the coach for the Dogs that Peter Gordon & Montgomery didn't get on..Stems from how the club handled McCartney and Griffen leaving the club....Not sure the tactical aspect of a coach is overplayed..Beveridge was employed as that at Hawthorn and was one of the major reasons getting him to the Dogs..His appointment made Montgomery surplus, Montgomery had a contract till the end of 2016..From all reports Montgomery has very good management skills both at his time at Carlton and Bulldogs..
Montys interview with us went extremely well with us on Tuesday..

If he had good management skills at the Bulldogs then why were they in crisis and a basket case until they got Beveridge ? Or was that all McCartney's fault? Why did Melbourne pass him up? Why did Darcy steer the Bulldogs away from him to Beveridge? I see no evidence at all in his five years at the Bulldogs that says to me he is the answer at our club.

Our chairman has said that Leppa presents extremely well! He interviewed so well he got the job! The rest is history.

Fagan will develop our young list ..... and going by Mitchell, Robertson and others he is the right man for our club at this stage.

 

[Football Pope]

If he had good management skills at the Bulldogs then why were they in crisis and a basket case until they got Beveridge ? Or was that all McCartney's fault? Why did Melbourne pass him up? Why did Darcy steer the Bulldogs away from him to Beveridge? I see no evidence at all in his five years at the Bulldogs that says to me he is the answer at our club.

Our chairman has said that Leppa presents extremely well! He interviewed so well he got the job! The rest is history.

Fagan will develop our young list ..... and going by Mitchell, Robertson and others he is the right man for our club at this stage.

Your opinion, like mine, on the matter means little on the selection of a coach ...Monty was voted by his peers and players as assistant of the year in 2014..
http://www.aflca.com.au/index.php?id=8

The Grand Final appearance by the Dogs could also be credited to the coaching department as a whole, which Montgomery has been a part of for the past 5 years Which he played a major part in the players development getting them to where they are today..
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I couldn't give a dead rats clacker on what Darcy, Melbourne etc did in selecting a coach for their respected clubs..
As I said earlier, I have every faith that the selection will pick the best available for the position.

 

[WA Lion]

Your opinion, like mine, on the matter means little on the selection of a coach ...Monty was voted by his peers and players as assistant of the year in 2014..
http://www.aflca.com.au/index.php?id=8

The Grand Final appearance by the Dogs could also be credited to the coaching department as a whole, which Montgomery has been a part of for the past 5 years Which he played a major part in the players development getting them to where they are today..
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I couldn't give a dead rats clacker on what Darcy, Melbourne etc did in selecting a coach for their respected clubs..
As I said earlier, I have every faith that the selection will pick the best available for the position.

Dead Rats Clacker - there is a saying that doesn't get used enough these days!

 

[Tony012000]

Montgomery had to be notified by August 1.He had higher ambitions and they were never going to be satisfied at the Bulldogs for more than a year or two.He has behaved impeccably.

I have not said he did not behave correctly ... I said he was at a club as the senior assistant during the time it was a basket case to a point of crisis. And in my opinion .... and I may be wrong ... he can interview however he likes but the fact remains that he was there for the taking by the Bulldogs and they went for a Hawthorn assistant ... why should we now go for what the Bulldogs did not want when there is a chance to get another Hawthorn man who was there for every final and every flag.

I have heard Neal Daniher, Sam Mitchell, Robertson all sing Fagans praises .... this will be my last comment ... I have a problem trying to find one bit of evidence that either Montgomery or Barker are the answer or that they will be any different to Leppa ...... however there is evidence that the clubs that witnessed them for many years as assistants and therefore knew them for years did not pick them ...

We need someone who has been in a successful environment, contributed to that environment and its successful culture and contributed to maintaining that environment over many years of sustained success.

Montgomery and Barker appear great chaps ... I sincerely hope for their sakes they do not get the gig at Brisbane ... we are kidding ourselves to think we are not going to get some floggings next year with basically a TAC cup squad of players mixed in with reserve graders and 2 or 3 good players!

We need to start again with a proven experienced Builder and Teacher and that to me is Fagan

 

[Tony012000]

Your opinion, like mine, on the matter means little on the selection of a coach ...Monty was voted by his peers and players as assistant of the year in 2014..
http://www.aflca.com.au/index.php?id=8

The Grand Final appearance by the Dogs could also be credited to the coaching department as a whole, which Montgomery has been a part of for the past 5 years Which he played a major part in the players development getting them to where they are today..
.
I couldn't give a dead rats clacker on what Darcy, Melbourne etc did in selecting a coach for their respected clubs..
As I said earlier, I have every faith that the selection will pick the best available for the position.

You like me are a passionate lions man ... this forum is all about swapping opinions and having a chat ... I am fully aware that my opinion has no affect on the selection of the next coach ... You have just stated some facts about Monty that are good ones just as I stated my facts also .. You say you do not give a dead rats clacker in my opinion ... I never asked you to .. signing off now from this forum ...

 

[Football Pope]

I have not said he did not behave correctly ... I said he was at a club as the senior assistant during the time it was a basket case to a point of crisis. And in my opinion .... and I may be wrong ... he can interview however he likes but the fact remains that he was there for the taking by the Bulldogs and they went for a Hawthorn assistant ... why should we now go for what the Bulldogs did not want when there is a chance to get another Hawthorn man who was there for every final and every flag.

I have heard Neal Daniher, Sam Mitchell, Robertson all sing Fagans praises .... this will be my last comment ... I have a problem trying to find one bit of evidence that either Montgomery or Barker are the answer or that they will be any different to Leppa ...... however there is evidence that the clubs that witnessed them for many years as assistants and therefore knew them for years did not pick them ...

We need someone who has been in a successful environment, contributed to that environment and its successful culture and contributed to maintaining that environment over many years of sustained success.

Montgomery and Barker appear great chaps ... I sincerely hope for their sakes they do not get the gig at Brisbane ... we are kidding ourselves to think we are not going to get some floggings next year with basically a TAC cup squad of players mixed in with reserve graders and 2 or 3 good players!

We need to start again with a proven experienced Builder and Teacher and that to me is Fagan

Yep get it ..you only want Fagan......

FWIW, both Barker and Montgomery are in their ninth season as an assistant coaches, both have either or are completing their level 4 coaches course's The curriculum is based on a model from the International Council for Coach Education, which is a very rigorous process and give assistants a better chance to be successful if they are appointed senior coaches.

 

[Football Pope]

You like me are a passionate lions man ... this forum is all about swapping opinions and having a chat ... I am fully aware that my opinion has no affect on the selection of the next coach ... You have just stated some facts about Monty that are good ones just as I stated my facts also .. You say you do not give a dead rats clacker in my opinion ... I never asked you to .. signing off now from this forum ...

No, I said I couldn't give a dead rats clacker on what Darcy, Melbourne etc did in selecting a coach for their respected clubs..

 

[winged1]

What is a dead rats clacker worth on the rodents ass index these days?

 

[Viceregal]

The big question is what are Fagan's legs like?

Not sure I want the mental image of Fagan, Monty, Baker etc standing around in swimsuits (*definitely* not bikinis ... or even mankinis!)

 

[Viceregal]

He could have de-arranged it.

I don't think it'll have an effect on the outcome though.

Wasn't he at his brother's wedding or something - kind of hard to de-arrange something like that!

 

[Football Pope]

What is a dead rats clacker worth on the rodents ass index these days?

Rearing right up the vermin report is Gerbilling!! Imagine a few indexes would come into effect there...

 

[Football Pope]

Wasn't he at his brother's wedding or something - kind of hard to de-arrange something like that!

Fagan made his first presentation to the coaching selection panel in Melbourne on Tuesday.
Carlton assistant and former caretaker coach John Barker is believed to have already made a presentation for the job.
Brisbane Lions chief executive Greg Swann was in Melbourne for the Brownlow Medal and planning to remain in the city for the remainder of grand final week.
List manager Peter Schwab and sports psychologist Matti Clements, who are both on the selection panel, are also based in Melbourne.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...brisbane-lions-coach-job-20160928-grq1v8.html

 

[winged1]

Not sure I want the mental image of Fagan, Monty, Baker etc standing around in swimsuits (*definitely* not bikinis ... or even mankinis!)

Prude

 

[AB09]

I do think that in the modern day with so many more coaches and specialised staff, the senior coach does need to be more about man management rather than purely footy brain. For the most part, the line coaches work with their respective groups to get the game plan executed. Senior coach needs to ensure the line coaches are doing what is needed. Review previous game, select team for current week, talk tactics and match ups, training loads and focus and working with fitness recover staff so the team goes into current week prepared. Make sure everyone has their jobs on game day and over see the game and make changes adjustments where needed. If you think about this way, then man management and communication needs to be very very important. I think being able to identify the talent in the playing group and bringing out the best in them by being inspiring is probably another part, but again, is communication dependent.

Think you can have a more management based person at the top with more tactical people underneath.

David Noble has basically said the same thing ... that the senior coaching position in the modern game requires more than just on-field strategy — the ability to manage people is a big part of the success or failure of coaches, making Fagan’s background appealing.

“It’s a very big role these days. It’s a senior exec role because you are managing a group of staff and a bunch of athletes at the same time,’’ he said

 

[Maboo]

Rearing right up the vermin report is Gerbilling!! Imagine a few indexes would come into effect there...

Armageddon

 

[lionsrules]

Richardson on ch7 just said "barker will be the next coach of Brisbane"

 

[Bucking Beads]

Richardson on ch7 just said "barker will be the next coach of Brisbane"

I think I'm going to throw up!

 

[JasperBeardly]

Richardson on ch7 just said "barker will be the next coach of Brisbane"

He did seem confident but I'm weighing that against the fact that it's only the Ch7 rumour mill.

 

[M Malice]

Richardson on ch7 just said "barker will be the next coach of Brisbane"

i'll be highly surprised if Chris Fagan doesn't get the job, although if John Barker or Brett Montgomery trump Fagan i will fully support the selection committees decision, they are the ones in the best position to decide.

from media reports the interviews have been done so i assume we are waiting for GF weekend to be over and we should expect an announcement early next week.

 

[Crawb]

I wouldn't take Richardson's comments too seriously. Regardless we're probably doing this all again at the end of 2019 or 2020. We're 18th next year and bottom four in 2018. We're still far from competitive.

Thought Barker was rather stiff to miss out on the Carlton gig. He did quite well as caretaker. So it's not a terrible choice. A bunch of better assistants are probably worth more to us that whether the coach is Fagan or Barker. Barker is a graduate from AFL coaching accreditation thing. AFL would probably prefer to him to get up so they have a product to gloat about and market for a year or two in order to get more people involved in the accreditation process. If Barker coaches us and we're still woeful in 3-4 years we get to finally highlight to the AFL bigwigs that we're not playing victim and that there are structural issues with the competition that they have to address that can't be resolved by simply having "a good coach".

 

[MacMum]

He did seem confident but I'm weighing that against the fact that it's only the Ch7 rumour mill.

Leigh works for Ch7

 

[Len S]

I wouldn't take Richardson's comments too seriously. Regardless we're probably doing this all again at the end of 2019 or 2020. We're 18th next year and bottom four in 2018. We're still far from competitive.

Thought Barker was rather stiff to miss out on the Carlton gig. He did quite well as caretaker. So it's not a terrible choice. A bunch of better assistants are probably worth more to us that whether the coach is Fagan or Barker. Barker is a graduate from AFL coaching accreditation thing. AFL would probably prefer to him to get up so they have a product to gloat about and market for a year or two in order to get more people involved in the accreditation process. If Barker coaches us and we're still woeful in 3-4 years we get to finally highlight to the AFL bigwigs that we're not playing victim and that there are structural issues with the competition that they have to address that can't be resolved by simply having "a good coach".

Richardson seemed very sure .

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Long live the Fitzroy/Brisbane tradition.

 

[Football Pope]

Richardson seemed very sure .

Not sure how he'd know......or is he just rooting for another forward?

 

[WA Lion]

It's remarkable how you can know sweet FA about 2 people but still be disappointed by one potentially being chosen over another!

I know bugger all really about Fagan or Barker but still hoping for Fagan - no idea why