Brisbane needs help

[Spook]

Brisbane are above Saints on the ladder.

Port were as bad as both of them 2 years ago and no help was given to them.

Port did get some help, but it was in the form of administration help. I'm not saying that Port deserve to be where they are today but the AFL did their job and supported port with the Adelaide oval redevlemnt deal and some financial help giving security for their debt.
I really admire what port has done to turn it around on field and that is due to smart drafting and excellent coach and captain and supporters doing what they said they would do ie play at adelaide oval and we will come. As much as people hate fat Andy he did get the adelaide oval deal through

 

[Rod Stroker]

The were not gifted success at all. The eared there 3 premierships. Had a great coach and captain

As well as additional money from the AFL to keep players at Brisbane.

 

[sthmelb_dimmies]

... and that is due to smart drafting and excellent coach and captain and supporters

Blow as much sunshine as you want, but the main driver of change was Darren Burgess. Solo.

 

[Toffee Lion]

As well as additional money from the AFL to keep players at Brisbane.

And yet, a lot of players still took a pay cut.

 

[Spook]

As well as additional money from the AFL to keep players at Brisbane.

But it's not like they were near the top when they started the COLA. Unlike now with Sydney. Who did Brisbane recruit utilising the cola?
They recruited and developed well

 

[Spook]

Blow as much sunshine as you want, but the main driver of change was Darren Burgess. Solo.

And him

What the f are you doing in Bombay?

 

[Blue and Gold Blood]

so they dont score a goal for half a match against one of the premiership favourites and suddenly they need help?

GTFO.

 

[jackess]

As well as additional money from the AFL to keep players at Brisbane.

.... because they rely on players from interstate for 90% of their list.

 

[FootyJunkie]

3 flags

 

[AstonSouffle]

**** off.

Let us and Freo divide WA in half and have first dibs for one player then.

I have one friend that plays Rugby... one.

That would put the it into perspective just what sort of plight NSW & QLD face in regards to Aussie Rules compared to ourselves.

 

[melbournehammer]

It's the type of help that is the problem.
I have a problem with clubs being able to pay more to their players than other clubs.
I have no problem with expansion (critical word) clubs having exclusive, fist dibs on players in their zone
I have no problem with administration and sponsorship help for expansion clubs

I don't really understand your first point. No salary capped league (to my knowledge) actually has a hard cap. All leagues have soft caps where players and payments exist for (say) marquee players, promotion of the game, addional service agreements and so on. So I just think it is bunkum, but because the swans have purchased two free agents it's made you all bitch and moan about one element of the inequality across footy.

But if you really want to help struggling clubs - it's worth thinking outside the square. I personally regard the death of fitzroy as one of the saddest days in footy, so be prepared to pursue different options....

This fixation on salary structures in the afl misses the point of competitive sports in the home of salary caps. Why is it that the Yankees don't win it every year despite paying five times as more than Oakland or the royals ?

Fixed rosters in afl make it very hard for the teams with less depth - but injury replacements make a difference. The baseball farm system allows clubs to keep their roster on game day. In season trades allow clubs to have a full complement of players.

We don't have that but we have a brutal sport. The big issue in league footy is that injuries play an absolutely massive role in the teams at the bottom of the ladder. Short term injury cover by allowing loans from one club to another might make a difference. If you wanted to help even the comp why shouldn't Ryan o keefe get a gig for the lions ? In every club there are probably players that could benefit from first team footy in a culture away from their own, and this belief that heaping games on inexperienced kids will assist

It won't be done because the talent pool is too thin - Matt Spangher is needed by the hawks in case of injury and if injured while playing for the lions what cover does he offer - but the same could be said if he was injured playing for box hill ? But this is the reason it won't be done. Could quintet lynch offer something for the lions given j browns injury ?

The reality is the draft makes almost no difference in restoring competitiveness - the draft has consistently shown players 1-5 should be good, 6-20 could be good and everything beyond that is random chance. But the shoulds and coulds are not certainties either. And the draft order stuff beyond the first ten or so picks gives you the most minuscule benefits. And it takes too long. Even with buddy and roughy it takes time, and you could draft Fiora and tambling.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Our admin is terrible, all our fans have known it for years. Instead of properly resolving it last year, the AFL forced us with Sharpless and we're no better off. We don't have have a CEO either.

We've made one finals series in the last 10 years and we don't look going vaguely close any time soon. Even Melbourne have made more in this period of time. The AFL left us out in the cold for years not realising the challenges we have to face compared to every other club. To their credit the lads at AFL House in the last few months have gone - "oh shit" and started to realise the extent they left us out in the cold. But despite this the AFL have only ever seemed bothered with GC/GWS/Sydney and they won't bother helping us out until GC/GWS win a flag sadly.

I understand the challenges faced by Brisbane and Sydney given where I live. Yes some concessions need to be made to ensure a strong market in QLD and NSW.

However

The Lions have delivered more to its supporters than the Tigers have to its feral band of supporters since the early 80's. The Tigers have been shit for a number of decades (and at times we have really friggin stunk!) so I find it hard for me to hear the bolded point as an argument. The Lions for whatever reason have lost a number of first round picks and this is now hurting the club immensely.

You will have Swann as CEO by the end of this year. He is a good CEO and will make a difference. The club needs to get its coaching and development staff in place and with a concession such as a retention allowance and with the Brisbane academy more than likely providing you with access to some gun young local kids, you should make your way back up.

Fast tracking a solution. Not for me sorry. No sympathy whatsoever given the shit we have had to put up with...and likely to continue for a little while yet.

 

[nineteen eighty]

Brisbane are above Saints on the ladder.

Port were as bad as both of them 2 years ago and no help was given to them.

It's the handout mentality that people expect of the AFL these days. And this is coming from a leftie so I'm not saying it as a throw away line.

As I stated above, there are issues at the club that the AFL definitely needs to address. As part of equalisation, maybe they have can provide consulting services on two fronts:

- finance and administration
- coaching and player development

These are the two areas that clubs need to be strong in. And the two areas that the Lions have probably been weakest in over the last decade. The AFL needs to provide some assistance so send in some experienced people (at little to no cost) who can help on those two fronts. And yeah possibly provide you with a retention allowance again.

Under no circumstances however do I support any priority picks or such like. Develop guns under your academy. There should be some fantastic kids coming through.

Help off field, sure. On field, no. Especially not in the form of a priority pick.

A man after my own heart!

 

[PTizzle]

Our administration is a shambles and we need assistance there, I'm just hoping Gillion is good to his word. I feel like others are far better qualified to speak about it so I'll leave it at that.

On-field we'll be fine I reckon. If you couldn't see the kind of scoreline Brisbane put up tonight from a while off then you don't have the best footy brain. If Port and the Doggies didn't get assistance in the form of a priority pick then we shouldn't either.

But, in reference to the above, if any more of our draftees leave then something has to be done. The club simply cannot move forward if the talent continues to get gutted. The development of Queensland talent isn't going to happen overnight and until then, if the AFL want an 'equal' league, we need assistance there.

The disparity of home state talent is obvious when you compare Sydney, GWS, GC and Brisbane to the rest of the competition, yet only one of these sides doesn't receive assistance in maintaining their list.

I don't mind a couple of seasons of pain. It was always going to be a shit year with a new coach, the draw we were given (which is still baffling) and then injuries upon injuries as the season kicked off, exposing our depth (which the 'go home 5' were a part of). I also don't mind the parochial Victorian supporters as they're accustomed to a "go us, stuff the rest" mentality. But I do mind the inequality in what is given to the so called 'frontier states'.

 

[MacMum]

Our list is good and will be ok when all are fit and ready to go....our problem has been off field where we have had people administering this club for their own self interests.....you only need to look at the proposed new facility at Springfield, and how compromised that has been.

The members tried so desperately hard last year by calling an EGM to sort out the mess and get a complete new Board, but the AFL intervened and stopped it...

WHY??

..as a result here we are today, and nothing has changed.....we are still in disarray behind the scenes.

I personally have no problem with the setting up of the GC Suns, and they will be successful....but the AFL cannot leave us out to die a slow death, and must realize the difference in the markets of Brisbane and the Gold Coast.

Yes, we do need help. We need committed experienced professional people who know football to sort out the mess.........and fast.

 

[Hill2Pav]

They have been a bad team to a really bad team for almost a decade now. It is not surprising their fans are not turning up.

So what if they have been a bad team for a decade? Try telling that the members of some of the Victorian clubs who haven't seen success in their lifetime!

 

[kingswood71]

Relocate to where exactly?

Darwin!! Priority NT draft picks...COLA....Big spectator base....Could work

 

[Aussie Assault]

so they dont score a goal for half a match against one of the premiership favourites and suddenly they need help?

GTFO.

This.

Better throw "COLA" allowances at St Kilda, Western Bulldogs etc because they haven't won a flag in decades.

Look at the team on top of the ladder FFS & where they were 3 years ago.

They're going through a rebuilding stage after Voss' moneyball team. Their team is young, they'll find the balance of who wants to stay there, gain experience, the wins will follow & the crowd return. Its all cyclical.

One of the biggest problems in the AFL is making rash decisions on the fly, just let it be and everything will be sweet.

 

[MagpieJo]

I didn't put words in your mouth - please show me where I did

What you're talking about, your end game, is Collingwood vs anyone in Victoria.

I think you're not looking at the whole picture of the AFL. Like it or not but the clubs in states that aren't Victoria are more important than the clubs in Victoria (yes, this means more important than Collingwood as well).
If the AFL had the choice of losing Collingwood or Brisbane or Sydney or Fremantle or Adelaide then I think you'll be without a club to follow. That's not to say that Collingwood isn't an important club (or course it is) but the markets in states other than Victoria are more important than 1 club in Victoria.

Clubs in all states deserve certain benefits.
I believe all clubs in a state should have first dibs on players from their states.
I believe there should be a salary cap (no minimum spend)
I believe no club should be able to spend more on players than any other club
Clubs should be able to receive AFL assistance in off field spend (admin and coaching)

That all sounds fair.

(I meant by including Freo and Adelaide, I never uttered their names)

Freo west coast Adelaide port. No on field advantage ever. Still successful. And that's how it should be with all new teams. Artificially making a team popular is not fair to all the other teams. And that's exactly what all those on field assistance packages add up to.

 

[JeffDunne]

I have one friend that plays Rugby... one.

That would put the it into perspective just what sort of plight NSW & QLD face in regards to Aussie Rules compared to ourselves.

Aussie Rules is far more popular with younger people in southern states than rugby is with young people in Qld (league or union). So to equate what happens there with the situation in Brisbane is nonsense.

Most kids in the main population centres in Qld have the opportunity to play Aussie Rules. The same isn't true with rugby in the southern states. Also the uptake of the sport is continuing with many schools now adding it to their sports program.

The Lions problem in Brisbane is they aren't really identified with Brisbane in the minds of most people. Nothing about them identifies them with the city. Gold Coast have done a much better job of branding the team to the city they represent.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

We gave them Jordan Lisle, surely that's considered helping?

 

[Crankyhawk]

I believe if the AFL wants equalisation then all aspects should be looked. Brisbane are clearly disadvantaged in retaining younger players drafted from interstate. A retention allowance might influence players to stay in Brisbane.

Although did the recent exodus leave for money or was is it discontent with the administration? If the latter the small amount of retention allowance (as I'd imagine it to be less than Sydney as Brisbane is cheaper to live) wouldn't be enough.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Completely true. If you count third party deals I have no doubt a club like Collingwood would easily pay its players more than anyone else.

All third party deals should be under the salary cap unless the player does actual non football related work (like Tom swift as a doctor if he had continued playing) Marketing and advertising should be under the cap (and ambassador roles whether it's afl or corporate) as the player would not have a profile without football. If this means the cap goes up by 30% (pure guess) then so be it.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I have one friend that plays Rugby... one.

That would put the it into perspective just what sort of plight NSW & QLD face in regards to Aussie Rules compared to ourselves.

Which rugby union or league? (had argument with other posters as to correct terminology in another thread)
AFL need to provide Brisbane with administration help like Melbourne. It goes toward the long term aim of having an AFL managed competition (like WWE)

 

[Mr Ripper]

Overall, the AFL have made a bed of inequity but are desperately trying to put on covers of equity.

DEN OF INEQUITY

Any News Ltd subbies reading this - there's your headline!