Brisbane needs help

[Tedeski]

Your (sic) welcome that my club has helped subsidise yours for a good portion of your Northern existence.

That's just arrogant Scotland.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Your (sic) welcome that my club has helped subsidise yours for a good portion of your Northern existence.

And you're (feel better?) welcome we ensure national TV rights deals create a windfall for every club.

 

[Scotland]

And you're (feel better?) welcome we ensure national TV rights deals create a windfall for every club.

*the AFL

 

[Sydney Bloods]

*the AFL

sock puppet.

 

[Scotland]

That's just arrogant Scotland.

And correct!

 

[Roylion]

Marcus Ashcroft - Non-Draft Zone Selection - Gift from the AFL
Michael Voss - Non-Draft Zone Selection - Gift from the AFL
Jason Akermanis - Zone Selection, 1994 - Gift from the AFL

So West Coast, Adelaide, Fremantle, Port Adelaide, Sydney, Gold Coast and GWS can all receive zone selections, but Brisbane can't.

Is that what you're suggesting?

Port Adelaide had 29 zone selections. They were Scott Bassett, Rhett Biglands, Peter Burgoyne, Tom Carr, Stephen Carter, Mark Conway, Jarrod Cotton, Stephen Daniels, Stuart Dew, Donald Dickie, Nathan Eagleton, Paul Evans, Nigel Fiegert, Fabian Francis, Josh Francou, Scott Freeborn,Tom Harley, Roger James, Brendon Lade, Jake Lynch, Scott Mathews, Darren Meade, Andrew Osborn, Darryl Poole, Damian Squire, Nathan Steinberner, Warren Tredrea, Michael Wilson and Jonathon Yerbury.

A few premiership players in that list. And they were located in a football state.

West Coast for example had the ability to select 5 players as zone concession selections in 1988, two players in 1989 and again in 1990 and one player in 1991. Some of those zone selections included Glen Jakovich, Mitchell White, Jason Ball, Don Pyke, Peter Sumich, Craig Turley and Scott Watters.

Adelaide were able to list 8 players from the SANFL prior to the 1992 season. Two more selections that year and they would have matched in one year what the Lions took in 14-15 years.

Tim Notting - Pick #26 in the 1996 National Draft - They received Matthew Primus from the Fitzroy takeover and traded him to Port for picks 3 (Hilton) & 26 (Notting), effectively a further gift from the AFL

Brisbane was allowed to take part in pre-draft trading and the draft – the same conditions that the new Melbourne Hawks would have had.

Brisbane named Matthew Primus as one of its eight selected players. He refused to go. Under the conditions ratified by the other clubs, Brisbane were allowed to trade him. They did so to Port Adelaide.

Tim Chris Johnson - Taken from the Fitzroy list

Can I remind you of the 'merger' concessions available to Melbourne had they taken over the Hawks?

Do you recall them? No?

Here they are.

• $6 million incentive money
• Expanded list of 44 players
• $300,000 extra to Melbourne Hawks’ salary cap
• Open slather on both lists – with the only restriction being the expanded salary cap.
• Full participation in pre-draft trading and the draft itself
• Father-son from Melbourne AND Hawthorn

All ratified by the AFL on 24th August 1996.

Mal Michael - Traded in from Collingwood in exchange for Jarrod Molloy and Pick #44 in the 2000 National Draft Jarrod Molly was taken from Fitzroy, they would never have been able to get Michael without that freebie

Ratified by the Melbourne Football Club, who themselves tried to get the same, if not better, conditions for their own takeover of the Hawks.

Jon Brown - Father/son pick as a result of the takeover of Fitzroy

Port Adelaide and Adelaide have a father son rule from the SANFL. West Coast and Fremantle have a father son rule from the WAFL. Sydney have a father son rule from South Melbourne.

The Melbourne Hawks would have had a father son rule from both Melbourne AND Hawthorn.

But somehow Brisbane can't have a father-son rule from Fitzroy.

Each and every one of them was from a manner not available to the other sides, either from killing off Fitzroy or through zone selections, which was/is a massive advantage

That’s rubbish, for reasons I have explained above.

West Coast, Adelaide, Fremantle, Port Adelaide, Sydney, Gold Coast and GWS have all received zone selections.

The clubs, including Melbourne, ratified the "merger" package conditions between Brisbane and Fitzroy with all of its resultant benefits, which included the father son rule, a salary cap extension and priority access to Fitzroy's 1996 list.

The merger salary cap concessions were less generous that what would have been afforded to Melbourne and Hawthorn in the event that they had merged. See above.

 

[Roylion]

The clubs didn't agree to it,

Yes they did. The Brisbane - Fitzroy "merger" and its resultant conditions were ratified by the clubs in a 14-1 vote.

it was a back door deal done between the AFL/VFL, the administrators and the owners of the club. Dyson Hore-Lacey was still negotiating with North when it was done.

Dyson Hore-Lacy wasn't in control of Fitzroy, so whatever was happening between him and North was irrelevent. Melbourne voted against the North Melbourne merger and in favour of the Brisbane-Fitzroy merger. As did 13 other clubs.

The whole point is that it was a series of advantages not available to the other clubs,

I've already addressed this.

Other clubs have or have had zone selections
Other clubs have father-son selections from other entities (some outside the AFL)
Other clubs have salary cap bonuses.

Some clubs even get monetary gifts from the AFL totalling multi-million dollars, above and beyond the usual AFL distributions. How many millions of dollars extra have Melbourne being gifted over what Brisbane have ever got?

 

[Hawkers]

Roylion just setting everyone straight - love it.

Pity it won't change their minds.
The Lions are the forgotten child of the AFL. They (the AFL) need to start helping fix the situation they have created

 

[Lion for Life]

Roylion just setting everyone straight - love it.

Pity it won't change their minds.
The Lions are the forgotten child of the AFL. They (the AFL) need to start helping fix the situation they have created

He's good isn't he. Yes, that's the unfortunate truth of the matter, most supporters of other clubs just do not give two shits about what happens to us, as per usual it's all about the vic clubs and anyone else is irrelevant, well it's not the VFL anymore.

 

[Roylion]

No sooking here, just making sure Brisbane fans don't try to re-write history.

I would suggest that it is you who is re-writing history. I was a shareholder of Fitzroy Football Club in 1996 and thus partially involved in the events that took place.

The Roys don't exist anymore, I know it's hard for you guys to accept that but that's the reality.

You don't know what you're talking about. Who the hell was I watching on Saturday? Turns out it was the very same club I was a member and shareholder of in 1996.

The AFL/VFL dismantled your club and gave the best bits to the Bears

The Bears had priority access to eight Fitzroy players. That was it.

to try to artificially prop them up. As for suggesting that the other clubs agreed to it, what a joke, as if they had any say in it at all.

You do realise that the clubs have to ratify any change to the structure of the competition including admission, removal, relocations and mergers. The clubs also have the power to veto or change any AFL Commission decision by a 75% vote in favour (66% in 1996). The clubs ratified the conditions of the Brisbane-Fitzroy" merger (14-1 in favour) on the 4th July 1996.

 

[MacMum]

Thanks Hawkers

 

[Demonheart]

Small Victorian clubs have challenges, no one is denying that. But the challenges we face absolutely shit all over yours, I wish they didn't, but it's reality.

Cry me a river

 

[Demonheart]

I would suggest that it is you who is re-writing history. I was a shareholder of Fitzroy Football Club in 1996 and thus partially involved in the events that took place.

And one of my closest friends was one of the lawyers representing Hore-Lacey.

 

[Crawb]

Cry me a river

Solid contribution to the discussion. 10/10 would read again.

 

[Lion for Life]

And one of my closest friends was one of the lawyers representing Hore-Lacey.

Your point?

 

[MacMum]

Cry me a river

Getting cocky now aren't we?.....now that your club is getting all the help it needs and is starting to show some solidarity.......I'm genuinely pleased for the supporters of the Demons...its been tough.

You of all people should have an understanding of a club in crisis and not begrudge another club which also needs help.

 

[Lion for Life]

Getting cocky now aren't we?.....now that your club is getting all the help it needs and is starting to show some solidarity.......I'm genuinely pleased for the supporters of the Demons...its been tough.

You of all people should have an understanding of a club in crisis and not begrudge another club which also needs help.

It's ludicrous ain't it?

 

[Roylion]

And one of my closest friends was one of the lawyers representing Hore-Lacey.

Representing Hore-Lacy in what?

Bondborough Pty. Ltd vs. Brisbane Bears Football Club Ltd ?

Perhaps you could tell me all about that.

 

[Demonheart]

Solid contribution to the discussion. 10/10 would read again.

It's better than the dribble you've produced.

 

[JeffDunne]

Nobody with any sense has a problem with the AFL supporting the promotion of Aussie Rules and an AFL team in Brisbane. Same with Sydney and other expansion markets.

The issue people have is when we're told by the very same people that enforce the rules that these teams need to be "successful" for the good of football in those states. The implication being that those teams should have the playing field tipped in their advantage.

 

[Demonheart]

Representing Hore-Lacy in what?

Bondborough Pty. Ltd vs. Brisbane Bears Football Club Ltd ?

Perhaps you could tell me all about that.

Right up until the administrator was appointed.

If you can delude yourself into thinking that the Brisbane Lions is the same as the Fitzroy Football club then good luck to you.

'The following week September 1st 1996, saw Fitzroy's last and 1,928th match in the VFL/AFL. The players with the club emblem tattoed on their arms entered the ground through a banner displaying the names of every player who played 90 or more games for Fitzroy. Fitzroy lost by 86 points. Brad Boyd was the last captain, Simon Atkins kicked the last goal and Martin Pike was later voted the last Fitzroy Best and Fairest. A lone singer sang "Auld Lang Syne" as the last ever Fitzroy team departed the VFL/AFL competition, in which their club had been a participant in for the last 100 years.'

http://www.fitzroyfc.com.au/lions.html

I suppose I'd probably do the same thing in your position

 

[Lion for Life]

It's better than the dribble you've produced.

This ain't the Bay fella, only legit arguments around here and i figure because you have been roundly beaten by Roylion your well of bullshit has dried up and you have no more to say, pretty sad really that you feel you need to troll my club

 

[Crawb]

It's better than the dribble you've produced.

You mean the posts I completely busted your arguments open which you just happened to have conveniently ignored?

 

[Demonheart]

This ain't the Bay fella, only legit arguments around here and i figure because you have been roundly beaten by Roylion your well of bullshit has dried up and you have no more to say, pretty sad really that you feel you need to troll my club

Yet it's perfectly ok for the endless personal attacks aimed at me.

Roylion has beaten no one, I feel for him because he lost his team and the only thing he has that resembles anything like it is now run by a bunch of clowns. The only time in Brisbane's history that they've been successful was when they were manufactured by the AFL. No one has even come close to being able to prove this statement wrong.

 

[Demonheart]

You mean the posts I completely busted your arguments open which you just happened to have conveniently ignored?

LOL, try again.