Brisbane needs help

[Football Pope]

i know what the bloody academy does. But just as you reap the rewards of the hard work done down here at draft time, we should share equally with what is available to everyone.

'Go home factor' .... they weren't looking to go home when you were winning flags. Once again, the problem lies within, not external factors. We have many interstaters who have the same desires to go back home. Some will, some won't. Circle of life, just provide an environment where they are happy instead of neglecting their welfare which had been a hallmark of The Lions recently.

Des Headland disagrees

 

[FuManchu]

You can share with what's available, bid for them.

And they were looking to go home when we were winning flags. Des Headland anybody? The academy helps LIMIT the issue of the go home factor, which is much more prevalent in states with a low number of draftees available.

We do, it's called the draft.

Unless you're advocating Qld clubs only take Qld players. Now that would be folly wouldn't it? So we are quite happy to share our hard work at draft time , so you should share yours.

 

[FuManchu]

Des Headland disagrees

Mal Michael does too. We moved on.

 

[Football Pope]

Mal Michael does too. We moved on.

So did he...Esssendon.......wasn't aware Mal was at Pieland while you were winning premierships

 

[FuManchu]

So did he...Esssendon

But he went back to Brisbane, where he played before coming down to us. We lost Nick Davis, we lost Wellingham... you know, it happens to all clubs. We make the best of it thru trading, just as you did with all that left at seasons end..... you know , the ones your club didn't look after off the field...

 

[Simba Moyo]

We do, it's called the draft.

Unless you're advocating Qld clubs only take Qld players. Now that would be folly wouldn't it? So we are quite happy to share our hard work at draft time , so you should share yours.

What hard work do Collingwood do when in comes to draftees? Let the AIS U18's play against your VFL side? We are actually growing the game in a non-AFL state, very different.

I'm not advocating the we only draft Queenslanders, but having more than 10% on the list sure would be nice. It's more about building AFL calibre players in Queensland/NSW more than anything.

 

[Lion for Life]

Who are your clubs major sponsors?

In fact, you have the enviable position of supporters in 2 major cities.

And you guys enjoy supporters in no less than 6

 

[Football Pope]

We do, it's called the draft.

Unless you're advocating Qld clubs only take Qld players. Now that would be folly wouldn't it? So we are quite happy to share our hard work at draft time , so you should share yours.

Seems you're not really aware of the machinations of the academy...

 

[FuManchu]

What hard work do Collingwood do when in comes to draftees? Let the AIS U18's play against your VFL side? We are actually growing the game in a non-AFL state, very different.

I'm not advocating the we only draft Queenslanders, but having more than 10% on the list sure would be nice. It's more about building AFL calibre players in Queensland/NSW more than anything.

The Victorian structure does the hard work down here. 'We' in this instance is Victoria.

Once again, you squandered your premiership legacy. After those 3 flags, the uptake of Aussie Rules should have been huge up there, but your club did stuff all. And it gained the reputation of not looking after some (not all) draftees. Once again, fix those problems instead of more social engineering which you would in your current state squander.

Because as it currently stands, your club has the reputation of butchering talent rather than developing it.

 

[FuManchu]

And you guys enjoy supporters in no less than 6

We have them overseas too, do do you, but interstaters are hardly a huge revenue resource . That status is basically to make the remote supporters feel included.

Now, once again, your major sponsors are?

 

[Lion for Life]

We have them overseas too, do do you, but interstaters are hardly a huge revenue resource . That status is basically to make the remote supporters feel included.

Now, once again, your major sponsors are?

Vero & National Storage, hardly blue chip i would say, but what has this to do with anything?

 

[FuManchu]

Vero & National Storage, hardly blue chip i would say, but what has this to do with anything?

Are they national companies? National Storage is. The point is, you have the chance to gain national sponsors and have the whole city of Brisbane from which to garner financial reward. In some ways your opportunities could be greater than ours.

And it seems you would have our memberships limited just so yours don't pale in comparison. Isn't that stance the epitome of low aspirational? Resent someone else's, demand financial recompense thru a tax just because your club doesn't appeal as much to the consumer. What next? Tax McDonalds and give it to Hungry Jacks because Maccas has more market appeal?

Your whole premise of unfairness is crap. You got 2.2 million people up there a to yourself. Do something.

 

[Freomaniac]

On a related note, given that there are zero WA players coming throught the draft this year, why isn't this being looked at?

I've noticed eddie whinging again, so does this happen often? If not what's changed? Is this likely to reoccur? Is it a one off?

I'm amazed that eddie is using this to attack zones in the frontier considering if it's a trend, we should be looking at encouraging zoning in WA rather then raiding NSW and QLD.

I have no idea what's going on with youth development in WA, but if it's as bad as fat Ed is making out surely offering academy's to the two WA teams should be looked at.

We don't want a footy state consistently producing 0 rookies.

I call that a lie... There will be around 10-12 players from the WAFL that will be picked up in the National Draft again and possibly another 6-10 will be rookie listed. Tasmania is an Aussie Rules mad state. I noticed their havent been too many recruits from that state in Recent years.

But back on the topic.... As stated Port were in a similar Position back from 2008-2012. Made finals in 2013 and on top of the ladder right now.

I am curious about The Lions supporters opinions of Michael Voss. I have heard 2 sides of the Story. One positive opinion and one Negative opinion.

The Positive opinion I have heard is that most of the playing group like him and he gave the Kids and Local Queenslanders a chance. Some of those 5 guys that left the Lions to go to their home states in 2013 because they really liked Voss. If Voss Stayed for one more season, Would Yeo, Polec, Longer etc would have all stayed?

The Negative opinion I have heard about Voss was that as a coach he acted like a Dictator and literally ran the club. He also had too much involvement when it came to Recruiting and drafting. Some staff that worked in the Lions HQ left because of Voss. The board wanted to get rid of Voss simply because the lions didnt make finals in 4-5 years.

Now I dont know if those facts are correct but those opinions above are what I have heard.

I am not endorsing in giving the Lions a retention allowance or COLA or give them a priority pick or 2. I have to say it, they need to do what Melbourne have done last season.

Short term they need to go get a free agent or 2 and hand them a long 4-5 year contract Just like what melbourne did to get Bernie Vince even if you have to overpay them. They should get a couple 30 year olds on 1-2 year deals to help the kids too.

Long term is obviously the Academies. I have said this before and I will say this again, If I was running that club, I would use 1-2 late picks in the National draft and all the lions rookie picks to get Locals in the NEAFL. They might not be high standard players but at least the go home factor wont be a problem.

Another suggestion is to take a leaf of Ports book and shake up the football department. Get a good fitness coach, and recruiting scout and a decent President that can lure sponsors too.

 

[Simba Moyo]

Are they national companies? National Storage is. The point is, you have the chance to gain national sponsors and have the whole city of Brisbane from which to garner financial reward. In some ways your opportunities could be greater than ours.

And it seems you would have our memberships limited just so yours don't pale in comparison. Isn't that stance the epitome of low aspirational? Resent someone else's, demand financial recompense thru a tax just because your club doesn't appeal as much to the consumer. What next? Tax McDonalds and give it to Hungry Jacks because Maccas has more market appeal?

Your whole premise of unfairness is crap. You got 2.2 million people up there a to yourself. Do something.

You're just making this all up as you go along aren't you? I say the more support the game has the better, it would be good if Eddie had the same ideologies about the game, instead of just Collingwood.

 

[FuManchu]

You're just making this all up as you go along aren't you? I say the more support the game has the better, it would be good if Eddie had the same ideologies about the game, instead of just Collingwood.

His brief is Collingwood first. What has your chairman done for the game, for other clubs?

And given he has sought out sponsors thru his media work for other Melbourne clubs, I think for all his faults, he has done a wonderful job. And your chairman(s)?

 

[Lion for Life]

Are they national companies? National Storage is. The point is, you have the chance to gain national sponsors and have the whole city of Brisbane from which to garner financial reward. In some ways your opportunities could be greater than ours.

And it seems you would have our memberships limited just so yours don't pale in comparison. Isn't that stance the epitome of low aspirational? Resent someone else's, demand financial recompense thru a tax just because your club doesn't appeal as much to the consumer. What next? Tax McDonalds and give it to Hungry Jacks because Maccas has more market appeal?

Your whole premise of unfairness is crap. You got 2.2 million people up there a to yourself. Do something.

Thats all good and well but it still doesn't take away the fact that we operate in a rugby dominated market and face challenges in a frontier state that a club like the Pies does not, thats been the point all along, it's not a matter of just OK, we operate in a city of 2.2m so that means we should have the market share in that city.

It's all relative, from attracting big name sponsors, growing the supporter base, retaining talent from other states, these are all challenges magnified in the northern market.

 

[Simba Moyo]

His brief is Collingwood first. What has your chairman done for the game, for other clubs?

And given he has sought out sponsors thru his media work for other Melbourne clubs, I think for all his faults, he has done a wonderful job. And your chairmans(s)?

I understand his job title, but his hypocritical ramblings are pretty absurd. Wanting to take away every clubs possible slight 'advantage' yet increasing his own on such a grand media scale just adds to the inequality of the game. Our chairman is terrible, his agenda isn't even Lions first it's Springwood first. He shouldn't even be in the position but the AFL took away the members right to an EGM.

 

[FuManchu]

Thats all good and well but it still doesn't take away the fact that we operate in a rugby dominated market and face challenges in a frontier state that a club like the Pies does not, thats been the point all along, it's not a matter of just OK, we operate in a city of 2.2m so that means we should have the market share in that city.

It's all relative, from attracting big name sponsors, growing the supporter base, retaining talent from other states, these are all challenges magnified in the northern market.

And we have to compete with 9 other clubs for the limited football dollar down here. You seem to think that Collingwood just open the door and money comes flowing in . Not 15 years ago, we were nearly bankrupted. It's been a hard slog to regain traction down here.

 

[FuManchu]

I understand his job title, but his hypocritical ramblings are pretty absurd. Wanting to take away every clubs possible slight 'advantage' yet increasing his own on such a grand media scale just adds to the inequality of the game. Our chairman is terrible, his agenda isn't even Lions first it's Springwood first. He shouldn't even be in the position but the AFL took away the members right to an EGM.

Seems to me your more jealous we have a bloke who advances our cause but complacent that you have a chairman that does 2/5s of eff all for your own club. If you think you have had slight advantages taken away from you, it's not because of just Eddie. It's been the weight of all clubs or enough clubs. He might be the most vocal in some things, but that doesn't win the argument. The commission and CEO make decisions. Eddie is but one voice. He is not a decision maker. But feel free to get someone who has a place in the national media like he has.

I don't see anywhere where it says you can't have a chairman of increased influence. If you have a dud, it's your fault. Once again, blaming other clubs because in comparison yours is coming up short. Do something!

 

[Lion for Life]

And we have to compete with 9 other clubs for the limited football dollar down here. You seem to think that Collingwood just open the door and money comes flowing in . Not 15 years ago, we were nearly bankrupted. It's been a hard slog to regain traction down here.

Look, what the Pies have done has been admirable, i'm not denying that and Brisbane definitely screwed the pooch when it came to capitalizing on our successes, but the situation remains that in 2014 the club is in a dire position and the challenges we face to re build the brand are greater than that of the Pies who have forever existed in footy heartland.

 

[Simba Moyo]

I don't see anywhere where it says you can't have a chairman of increased influence. If you have a dud, it's your fault. Once again, blaming other clubs because in comparison yours is coming up short. Do something!

Like I said, we tried to, but the AFL took away the voice of our members. Is that fair?

 

[FuManchu]

Look, what the Pies have done has been admirable, i'm not denying that and Brisbane definitely screwed the pooch when it came to capitalizing on our successes, but the situation remains that in 2014 the club is in a dire position and the challenges we face to re build the brand are greater than that of the Pies who have forever existed in footy heartland.

And the AFL won't let you disappear. We had no such guarantees 15 yrs ago. The AFL should come in, fix your back room and then sit back and see what else if anything should happen. That is all you can ask for.

 

[Lion for Life]

Seems to me your more jealous we have a bloke who advances our cause but complacent that you have a chairman that does 2/5s of eff all for your own club. If you think you have had slight advantages taken away from you, it's not because of just Eddie. It's been the weight of all clubs or enough clubs. He might be the most vocal in some things, but that doesn't win the argument. The commission and CEO make decisions. Eddie is but one voice. He is not a decision maker. But feel free to get someone who has a place in the national media like he has.

I don't see anywhere where it says you can't have a chairman of increased influence. If you have a dud, it's your fault. Once again, blaming other clubs because in comparison yours is coming up short. Do something!

Are you serious?!! It was just this past off season that we as members DID try to do something and were shut down by Andy D to be given a bastardized version of what we wanted

 

[FuManchu]

Like I said, we tried to, but the AFL took away the voice of our members. Is that fair?

Depends if it contravened anything if you took that action. Did it?

 

[FuManchu]

Are you serious?!! It was just this past off season that we as members DID try to do something and were shut down by Andy D to be given a bastardized version of what we wanted

I cldnt care less. That's not Collingwoods doing. If you have an issue with the AFL, take it up with them. Did Eddie cause this? You lot seem to want to blame him for every other problem.