Brock McLean vs Shaun Burgoyne

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So... the general consensus seems to be Pick 9 to Port for the Burger.

Carlton have apparently done a deal for McLean for 11. Does this deal work for or against us?

I think it works for us.

I think most observers would say Burgoyne is a more skilled player overall so perhaps significantly more than Pick 11 would be required. However, McLean has 4 more seasons left in him compared to SB balancing the equation back towards Pick 9 by itself.
 

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So... the general consensus seems to be Pick 9 to Port for the Burger.

Carlton have apparently done a deal for McLean for 11. Does this deal work for or against us?

I think it works for us.

I think most observers would say Burgoyne is a more skilled player overall so perhaps significantly more than Pick 11 would be required. However, McLean has 4 more seasons left in him compared to SB balancing the equation back towards Pick 9 by itself.
you will not get him for 9 on it's own it's that simple
 

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you will not get him for 9 on it's own it's that simple
Why not?

27 in october, didn't play much in 09 due to a bad knee. It is also the last draft for a few years with GC and WS and it looks like PA will need as many picks as they can get
 

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Blues are bringing him to take Nick Steven's spot. His neck is stuffed and they reckon he's going to have to retire or risk being paralized (poor bastard).
Pick 11 for him does seem pretty steep imo but then again they got pick 14 (Jack Grimes) for Trav Johnstone 2 years back so you never know.

Even though I'd be keen to have Burgoyne running around for us the next few years I'm starting to think I'd rather have a Daniel Pearce run around for the next 8, he'd also be a lot cheaper.......
 

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Make no mistake, pick 9 is a great price for a guy who already has one foot out the door. Pick 9 + ??? will see you get a ??? who is not worth much to us, or to you.
 

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So... the general consensus seems to be Pick 9 to Port for the Burger.

Carlton have apparently done a deal for McLean for 11. Does this deal work for or against us?

I think it works for us.


I think most observers would say Burgoyne is a more skilled player overall so perhaps significantly more than Pick 11 would be required. However, McLean has 4 more seasons left in him compared to SB balancing the equation back towards Pick 9 by itself.
I think you're right. McLean is a handy player. Carlton have done bloody well stitching that deal up for pick 11. It should show that a good player is worth a top 10 pick.

Port need to rebuild and want/need pick 9. They'll take the deal. We'd like to deal, but don't actually have to. :thumbsu:
 

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you will not get him for 9 on it's own it's that simple
Mate i hope he goes to the draft. Don't offer the world and let him walk. So what if he doesn't come to the hawks. We will live. Now is not the time to not panic. We will have a few back next year and hopefully the injured players will be fine too. we need a defender and not another mid.
 

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Carlton need an in and under type player, as all they have is 'SOFT OUTSIDE seagulls' ..the unfortunate thing is that B McClean is slow and one dimensional...
 

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I'd rather Stevens with a crook neck and pick 11 than Brock McLean.

I love how Melbourne come out and say, with all sincerity, that they are disappointed to let him go. I bet behind closed doors, they'd be laughing their arses off.
I think your right FR.

If anyone watched him play this season well we are massive winners in this trade.

I've been saying it since last year a midfield of Moloney, Jones and McLean is just too slow. You guys chuck Cyril Rioli in there for 5 minutes and the game is over. Something had to give.

Now for the draft I guess
 

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you will not get him for 9 on it's own it's that simple
I can not belive PA would be that stupid not to take pick 9, and let Burgoyne go into the PSD...or maybe they actually are that stupid? It would be madness for them to play hardball with Hawthorn and walk away with nothing.
 

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I can not belive PA would be that stupid not to take pick 9, and let Burgoyne go into the PSD...or maybe they actually are that stupid? It would be madness for them to play hardball with Hawthorn and walk away with nothing.
They have a track record of doing this... remember Nick Stevens. It is not beyond them it just depends how much Hawthorn wants him.
 

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When's the last time you guys have had a player paoched? It's a matter of showing clubs it won't be tolerated. if we just accept anything for Shaun, it shows to other clubs they can piss in our players managers ears and pay less than what a player is worth to make em move.

I would hate us to lose Boak or Gray in the next few years by a club whispering for months before contract renewal they will do a better deal etc etc.

It makes managers take ntoice that it isn't that easy. Obviously it's not the preferred option and I am sure both clubs will nut something out.

Hawthorn obviously wants Shaun so to spend this much time then to not offer the right deal allowing him to walk doesn't make sense either.

Hopefully both clubs are happy with what happens over the next week or so, a nice early declaration of the deal would be great for all parties and allow for further trades with different palyers.
 

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The Hawks are clearly in the box seat to get Burgoyne but I struggle to see how pick 9 alone will get the deal done. Port will just not cop this deal. Essendon will offer Port at least pick 10 + Lovett and we can probably pay him $100-150K more than the Hawks can. We could even do something like package up Lovett and Jetta to either of the Perth clubs and upgrade our first round pick to do Port a better deal. If Brock McLean can fetch pick 11 then Burgoyne is worth a hell of a lot more than pick 9.
 
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The Hawks are clearly in the box seat to get Burgoyne but I struggle to see how pick 9 alone will get the deal done. Port will just not cop this deal. Essendon will offer Port at least pick 10 + Lovett and we can probably pay him $100-150K more than the Hawks can. We could even do something like package up Lovett and Jetta to either of the Perth clubs and upgrade our first round pick to do Port a better deal. If Brock McLean can fetch pick 11 then Burgoyne is worth a hell of a lot more than pick 9.
You make some good points.

What are the implications of Port agreeing to an Essendon trade despite SB nominating Hawthorn as preferred?

Also - the McLean deal shouldn't have any bearing - if Carlton are stupid enough to pay that much it's their problem. No other club would pay that much for McLean, it's hardly an indicator of the demand for SB.
 
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Carlton need an in and under type player, as all they have is 'SOFT OUTSIDE seagulls' ..the unfortunate thing is that B McClean is slow and one dimensional...
quite possibly true, but all he has to do is get the ball out to some of those outside players & maybe take some heat off the juddmiester. if he can do that for 5 years he will prove to be a bargin. we can scoff a bit because we have an abundance of that type of player & a lack of the outside type, so they may think we are crazy in offering pick 9 for a bloke who has "potential" & all the skills but in reality is coming off an average season or 2 & has just had a minor knee op.;)

still, I reckon your right, but the future may show we are both wrong!!
 
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You make some good points.

What are the implications of Port agreeing to an Essendon trade despite SB nominating Hawthorn as preferred?

Also - the McLean deal shouldn't have any bearing - if Carlton are stupid enough to pay that much it's their problem. No other club would pay that much for McLean, it's hardly an indicator of the demand for SB.
he does make some good points, but misses the rather glaring point that SB wants to go to Hawthorn, not Ess, so Port would have to convince him to do that. & I can't see that happening otherwise he would have said he just wants out & left Port to shop him around for the best deal. he will end up in a hawks jumper & Port will have to take a bit less for him or lose him for nothing so their "pride" will be intact... which is just plain dumb:rolleyes: which of course they have set a precedent for......
 

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Also - the McLean deal shouldn't have any bearing - if Carlton are stupid enough to pay that much it's their problem. No other club would pay that much for McLean.
No other club has a bottomless pit for a salary cap. Who cares what Carlton do? When we start making decisions based on those losers then we ar in real trouble.
 

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he does make some good points, but misses the rather glaring point that SB wants to go to Hawthorn, not Ess, so Port would have to convince him to do that. & I can't see that happening otherwise he would have said he just wants out & left Port to shop him around for the best deal. he will end up in a hawks jumper & Port will have to take a bit less for him or lose him for nothing so their "pride" will be intact... which is just plain dumb:rolleyes: which of course they have set a precedent for......
Never underestimate the bull headedness of Port Adelaide. They still think they're the greatest club in the world and think everyone wants to play for them. With a mental pygmy like Williams in charge, there's every chance they would rather let him go for nothing rather than hand him over for a trade they don't think is to their advantage. They won't care less what Burgoyne wants.
 
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