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Because we only have 2 plays who rotate through the guts who don't fumble and 'pendles and sidebottom and even they are not as clean as they used to be. I love Adams but he is not a one touch player, Crisp has gone more in to the middle and fumbles, De Goey has never been all that clean by hand. I rate it as just about the most important skill in modern day football. We seriously need some good young ball winning one touch players coming through otherwise we will be in all sorts. Someone on here mention Grundy's ruck dominance in the 2019 prelim not be taken advantage off. Its because our high priced mids fumbled all bloody night. The poor bloke can't win, even when he dominants people stick the boots in.
Grundy had a good game but he is poor at directional taps and clean hits to advantage into space.
I thought he did mix it up more the other night and mids let him down here.

It is an issue of the midfield and Grundy both need to improve the connection.

Also many times he should of just taken possession when in such a dominant position but chose the soft tap which was repeatedly sharked.

Needs to use his brain and decide when he should and shouldn't do it, not just always listen to the coaches who don't want him grabbing it. Can grab and feed by hand as well, he oft goes for the hack kick when he does it.

But I agree midfield is very overated and a big part of the reason for the disconnect.
 

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Grundy had a good game but he is poor at directional taps and clean hits to advantage into space.
I thought he did mix it up more the other night and mids let him down here.

It is an issue of the midfield and Grundy both need to improve the connection.

Also many times he should of just taken possession when in such a dominant position but chose the soft tap which was repeatedly sharked.

Needs to use his brain and decide when he should and shouldn't do it, not just always listen to the coaches who don't want him grabbing it. Can grab and feed by hand as well, he oft goes for the hack kick when he does it.

But I agree midfield is very overated and a big part of the reason for the disconnect.
100%

Watching the game between Port v WC highlights the stark disparity between the tap work of Grundy and Natanui.

The Eagles are just able to aggressively take off out of the centre clearance and Nit Nat just puts it down their throat.
 

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Watching the game between Port v WC highlights the stark disparity between the tap work of Grundy and Natanui.

The Eagles are just able to aggressively take off out of the centre clearance and Nit Nat just puts it down their throat.
Nic Nat is the best tap ruckman bar none. But he’s horrible around the ground
 

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Maybe as a link up player and stat gatherer, but he is a clearance beast.
Nic Naitanui is a sublime tap ruckman in it`s purest form, uses the 360 circle from any angle and with either hand to deft effect , gives silver platter service to his mids, for that you can pay a $ million bucks a year , other ruckman in the competition are not close to his art of poetry
 

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A recent quote from Grundy.

“It just feels like a lot of the messaging was ‘your career is only successful if you win a premiership’.

“It has never made sense to me. How can you go through 15 years of your life playing at the highest level but not see it as a success?

“Being able to have that perspective and balance away from football and to love what you do in finding happiness in the journey. That’s more important than the destination.”

Hmm! Very new age. For me this puts a different perspective on my view on AFL coaches in terms of having to man manage/navigate this mindset. It's clearly a tougher gig than I first thought. The above comments are all well and good in today's PC environment however in competitive professional cut throat sport? Further, in my humble opinion, this mindset gives the players a psychological out. Bad luck well played you came up short but there's always next time.

So is this the collective mindset of today's young sportsmen? What are they teaching them at schools nowadays?
 

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A recent quote from Grundy.

“It just feels like a lot of the messaging was ‘your career is only successful if you win a premiership’.

“It has never made sense to me. How can you go through 15 years of your life playing at the highest level but not see it as a success?

“Being able to have that perspective and balance away from football and to love what you do in finding happiness in the journey. That’s more important than the destination.”

Hmm! Very new age. For me this puts a different perspective on my view on AFL coaches in terms of having to man manage/navigate this mindset. It's clearly a tougher gig than I first thought. The above comments are all well and good in today's PC environment however in competitive professional cut throat sport? Further, in my humble opinion, this mindset gives the players a psychological out. Bad luck well played you came up short but there's always next time.

So is this the collective mindset of today's young sportsmen? What are they teaching them at schools nowadays?


OMG Grandpa.....lol....too many holes in this to mention

You do realise that today's athlete's live in today's world and therefore share today's values? They're just as competitive in preparation, execution and recovery but they (well lots of them) think about other things than beating up on their opponents (until its in the game)

Grundy's a fantastic competitive beast who leaves nothing in the tank every match. If you think he needs a "psychological out" because he realises there's life outside of footy, maybe you should spend some time back at one of those schools you seem to think are letting society down?

What's wrong with young people today?

Nothing!

btw....I'm 72, but too much surfing's softened my brain obviously!
 

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OMG Grandpa.....lol....too many holes in this to mention

You do realise that today's athlete's live in today's world and therefore share today's values? They're just as competitive in preparation, execution and recovery but they (well lots of them) think about other things than beating up on their opponents (until its in the game)

Grundy's a fantastic competitive beast who leaves nothing in the tank every match. If you think he needs a "psychological out" because he realises there's life outside of footy, maybe you should spend some time back at one of those schools you seem to think are letting society down?

What's wrong with young people today?


Nothing!

btw....I'm 72, but too much surfing's softened my brain obviously!
There is a lot wrong but the blame needs to be laid on society who reward 'participation' with medals and ribbons.

It's no wonder we are a soft society with ready made excuses for failure.

Initiative and desire are being suffocated for 'equality'.
 

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OMG Grandpa.....lol....too many holes in this to mention

You do realise that today's athlete's live in today's world and therefore share today's values? They're just as competitive in preparation, execution and recovery but they (well lots of them) think about other things than beating up on their opponents (until its in the game)

Grundy's a fantastic competitive beast who leaves nothing in the tank every match. If you think he needs a "psychological out" because he realises there's life outside of footy, maybe you should spend some time back at one of those schools you seem to think are letting society down?

What's wrong with young people today?

Nothing!

btw....I'm 72, but too much surfing's softened my brain obviously!
Hang loose dude!🏄🏽
Love my surfing as well!.
 

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A recent quote from Grundy.

“It just feels like a lot of the messaging was ‘your career is only successful if you win a premiership’.

“It has never made sense to me. How can you go through 15 years of your life playing at the highest level but not see it as a success?

“Being able to have that perspective and balance away from football and to love what you do in finding happiness in the journey. That’s more important than the destination.”

Hmm! Very new age. For me this puts a different perspective on my view on AFL coaches in terms of having to man manage/navigate this mindset. It's clearly a tougher gig than I first thought. The above comments are all well and good in today's PC environment however in competitive professional cut throat sport? Further, in my humble opinion, this mindset gives the players a psychological out. Bad luck well played you came up short but there's always next time.

So is this the collective mindset of today's young sportsmen? What are they teaching them at schools nowadays?
Not sure what the problem is. They work and play harder than the premiership or nothing brigade that came before them. But I actually don't think there ever was a premiership or nothing brigade. Every AFL player I've met has been pretty satisfied with being an AFL player - and only one of them had played on a premiership team when I knew him.
 

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OMG Grandpa.....lol....too many holes in this to mention

You do realise that today's athlete's live in today's world and therefore share today's values? They're just as competitive in preparation, execution and recovery but they (well lots of them) think about other things than beating up on their opponents (until its in the game)

Grundy's a fantastic competitive beast who leaves nothing in the tank every match. If you think he needs a "psychological out" because he realises there's life outside of footy, maybe you should spend some time back at one of those schools you seem to think are letting society down?

What's wrong with young people today?

Nothing!

btw....I'm 72, but too much surfing's softened my brain obviously!
Mate I used to surf a lot too.

Yes call me old school. Pretty much everything you say is fair and reasonable. I was just positing what it must be like for today's AFL coaches who are somewhat older than their players in terms of managing/communicating with the youngies nowadays.
 

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Watching the game between Port v WC highlights the stark disparity between the tap work of Grundy and Natanui.

The Eagles are just able to aggressively take off out of the centre clearance and Nit Nat just puts it down their throat.
Correct. Now that is ruck dominance.
 

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Not sure what the problem is. They work and play harder than the premiership or nothing brigade that came before them. But I actually don't think there ever was a premiership or nothing brigade. Every AFL player I've met has been pretty satisfied with being an AFL player - and only one of them had played on a premiership team when I knew him.
Ye fair call. It may in fact be the supporters who subscribe to the premiership or nothing brigade. I know I used to when I was a fully engaged supporter.
 

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Mate I used to surf a lot too.

Yes call me old school. Pretty much everything you say is fair and reasonable. I was just positing what it must be like for today's AFL coaches who are somewhat older than their players in terms of managing/communicating with the youngies nowadays.

So coaches have to be flexible? Barrassi would be laughed at by modern players if he tried to berate them like he used to....
Times have changed and so have the people (thank goodness)
Modern coaches have to wear a multitude of hats (just like teachers I suspect).

Time to get back on the surfboard....see you in the lineup!
 

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So coaches have to be flexible? Barrassi would be laughed at by modern players if he tried to berate them like he used to....
Times have changed and so have the people (thank goodness)
Modern coaches have to wear a multitude of hats (just like teachers I suspect).

Time to get back on the surfboard....see you in the lineup!
Clarkson's brother is in education, as a result Clarko used to target his assistants from those with an educational background - bloody smart move I reckon.
 

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Ye fair call. It may in fact be the supporters who subscribe to the premiership or nothing brigade. I know I used to when I was a fully engaged supporter.
It’s a utopian approach which is surreal.
I used to get so pumped purely when we beat Carlton, regardless of our premiership chances. There’s so much to be said for living in the moment.
 

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It’s a utopian approach which is surreal.
I used to get so pumped purely when we beat Carlton, regardless of our premiership chances. There’s so much to be said for living in the moment.
It does my head in. I don't know why you'd follow footy if you were only ever going to satisfied for one game every 20 years. I'm with Brodie - Bucks, Robbie Flower, Bobby Skilton, Matthew Pavlich, and Nick Riewoldt had absolutely wonderful careers.
 

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There is a lot wrong but the blame needs to be laid on society who reward 'participation' with medals and ribbons.

It's no wonder we are a soft society with ready made excuses for failure.

Initiative and desire are being suffocated for 'equality'.


If you say so....personally I see plenty of initiative and desire within the younger generations.
 

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It does my head in. I don't know why you'd follow footy if you were only ever going to satisfied for one game every 20 years. I'm with Brodie - Bucks, Robbie Flower, Bobby Skilton, Matthew Pavlich, and Nick Riewoldt had absolutely wonderful careers.


And Kevin Murray.....I can't remember the Bulldog ever playing a final?
 

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