Bryce Gibbs staying at Carlton - Silvagni in the no blinking zone

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Heres my take on the whole situation. Sos , who imo is a bit restless as a list manager ( not always a bad thing) put the Gibbs initial rumour of a few months ago out there to see there were any nibbles. Gibbs in the meantime was constantly being asked and constantly denying that he was leaving. Then when it was found out to have a certain basis of truth to it, Gibbs and his management tried to take his future into his own hamds, along with the implicit support of the AFLPA, by approaching his club of choice to encourage them to enter the fray. Sort of a " if i am going to be shopped around, then I am going to be proactive and try to get to my next best alternative" i think Gibbs is being unfairly portrayed by the media as the protagonist in this trade, when it really is Sos. And we know that the media LOVE to sensationalise things. Unfortunately we are all swallowing the bs being peddled by media street, and turning on bryce. Gibbs has been a great servant and clubman, and i think we should keep an open mind about his staying or departure. Some of the venom being spat around regarding him leaving is unbeleivable.

Adelaide are genuinely interested, and sure are trying to take advantage of the situation , by negotiating with a opening low ball offer. I think if they believe that bryce is a genuine key to a premiership, then they will move heaven and earth to get him. There us no doubt that they need extra midfield class and bryce is that. He will shine brighter at the crows than he ever did with us. He is durable, at his peak and a very flexible player. He can play defensively, midfield, attacking, and is a great tackler. We have just seen how how can roost the ball.
What js he worth? Given that he is at his peak, in a position that we are weak in, i think this shows how sos feels- we arent going to really challenge in the next 2-3 years, so better to maximise the value of one of our best players and cash in IF WE CAN. I think sos wants 2 first round picks and if he doesnt get it or if adelaide wont trade a good forward to us, then the deal just doesnt get done. Period.
So lets just sit back, enjoy the sos show, and see where it leads. I dont think some half baked deal involving a good ordinary player like Lyons will excite sos one iota . The next step is for adelaide to find the forward/ pick that we want, or the deal is off. AFC. Ball court yours
Agree with all this rubber except the "loyal servant" part.

Servants don't generally earn $600k per year.

I'm not sure Bryce is being that loyal - and there is a "smell" about how this has all developed that I suspect won't reflect well on Gibbs when the whole truth eventually comes out.
 
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Pure talent yes. But Doc won our B&F. We should respect him as currently our best player. Simmo and Cripps also ahead of Gibbs.

Goes to show you need more than just pure talent to be the best.
if i was picking a side to win i would pick cripps simpson weitering murphy docherty ahead of gibbs.
 

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If we're not planning to be in the finals before 2020, we've not been paying attention to the nature of the league. Playing groups aren't going to wait around for 4+ years for us to get our shit together.
I wonder how long STK started their rebuild. They still have guys nominating to go there. And looks like they are about to make a tilt on the finals in the next year or 2


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Quite a few posters in this thread seem to assume a gun mid will eventuate from a decent draft pick.

Maybe that will happen but we have a player who is underappreciated and IS a gun already and we seem to be happy to trade him for an unknown as long as we get a high draft pick.

Even supposed young gun mids can be over-rated --- as an example in 2016 Gibbs averaged 26.8 disposals. Heeney averaged 16.6 and everybody's poster boy Bontempelli averaged 24.3. I know disposals aren't the total picture but I believe we seriously underestimate the value of Gibbs in our team.
Would you rather have Gibbs or Bont in the side next year?

I think people are logical enough to know that a high draft pick doesn't guarantee anything but it certainly gives you a better chance. I'd rather get #8 than #13 and a fringe player like Lyons, wouldn't you?

Keeping him is the worst thing we can do now. We won't be winning a flag in 3 years. That's when his contract ends and he will leave as a FA anyway. Then what? A 2nd round pick? Good luck picking a gun mid with that it's quite rare.
 

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We are losing a required player. Why shouldn't the team getting him have to take some pain too?

Did we take pain to get Judd? My word we did.
You guys appear to undervalue pick 13. Maybe because you'be seen so many single figure picks over the years. To AFC supporters we see it as a likely 10 year star. In the last few years we selected:
2007 Dangerfield pick 10
2008 Phil Davis pick 10
2009 Daniel Talia pick 13
2010 Brodie Smith pick 14
2011 didn't have one
2012 sanctions
2013 sanctions
2014 Jake Lever pick 14
2015 Milera pick 12 & Doedee pick 17

I know Gibbs is of high value to you and he's shafting you. I get that. But us crows fans view pick 13 as the quality of the players above. Now we'd only trade McGovern & 1 of those players above for someone like Fyfe or Franklin.
 

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You guys appear to undervalue pick 13. Maybe because you'be seen so many single figure picks over the years. To AFC supporters we see it as a likely 10 year star. In the last few years we selected:
2007 Dangerfield pick 10
2008 Phil Davis pick 10
2009 Daniel Talia pick 13
2010 Brodie Smith pick 14
2011 didn't have one
2012 sanctions
2013 sanctions
2014 Jake Lever pick 14
2015 Milera pick 12 & Doedee pick 17

I know Gibbs is of high value to you and he's shafting you. I get that. But us crows fans view pick 13 as the quality of the players above. Now we'd only trade McGovern & 1 of those players above for someone like Fyfe or Franklin.
All well and good - but we don't want Gibbs to leave.

If we asked you for 2 first rounders, Sloane, McLeod, Modra, Bickley and Jarman, you'd tell us to F off. So tell us to F off now and leave us be.

If the family want to be around the kid so much, they can relocate here.
 

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Why approach a contracted player then? Just for a bit of trade LOL's ?
The supporters didn't approach him the club did,

There is no pressure from the supporter base to get the deal done rather there is more pressure from the supporters not to trade a blue chip youngster and to walk away if the trade price is too high.

At the end of day if both clubs can't come to terms on a trade then he'll stay at Carlton much like Ryan O'Keeffe did au Sydney. I think most Crows supporters will be fine if that's the eventual outcome.
 

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gibbs for picks. i want picks picks & picks. its where we sit. get a heap of young talent on to our list plus the gws 4. lose gibbs & tuohy. reduces our salary cap and allows us to chase 1 or 2 big fish in a year or so when we can make a proper assessment of our list.

add marchbank pickett ahern hrovat plus picks 8, 10, 25, 30, 38, 44 and maybe 1 or 2 more looks exciting to me. next to weitering cripps mckay charlie silvagni cuningham plowman sumner docherty byrne it looks really exciting

those picks may give us ainsworth scrimshaw (who i rate very highly) powell pepper etc. ;)
 
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gibbs for picks. i want picks picks & picks. its where we sit. get a heap of young talent on to our list plus the gws 4. lose gibbs & tuohy. reduces our salary cap and allows us to chase 1 or 2 big fish in a year or so when we can make a proper assessment of our list.

add marchbank pickett ahern hrovat plus picks 8, 10, 25, 30, 38, 44 and maybe 1 or 2 more looks exciting to me. next to weitering cripps mckay charlie silvagni cuningham plowman sumner docherty byrne it looks really exciting

those picks may give us ainsworth scrimshaw (who i rate very highly) powell pepper etc. ;)
The big one is our highest paid player coming out of contract at the end of next year. Neither SOS nor Bolton recruited him and wil have no pressure on them to keep him. Daisy's 700odd plus Gibbs' 600odd equals a Fyfe with a bit of change. Will put us in a great position
 

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The big one is our highest paid player coming out of contract at the end of next year. Neither SOS nor Bolton recruited him and wil have no pressure on them to keep him. Daisy's 700odd plus Gibbs' 600odd equals a Fyfe with a bit of change. Will put us in a great position
agree. if we have the room id pay him out now.
 

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You guys appear to undervalue pick 13. Maybe because you'be seen so many single figure picks over the years. To AFC supporters we see it as a likely 10 year star. In the last few years we selected:
2007 Dangerfield pick 10
2008 Phil Davis pick 10
2009 Daniel Talia pick 13
2010 Brodie Smith pick 14
2011 didn't have one
2012 sanctions
2013 sanctions
2014 Jake Lever pick 14
2015 Milera pick 12 & Doedee pick 17

I know Gibbs is of high value to you and he's shafting you. I get that. But us crows fans view pick 13 as the quality of the players above. Now we'd only trade McGovern & 1 of those players above for someone like Fyfe or Franklin.
And without premium picks, your club is short of midfield class- hence, trying to poach Gibbs for a bargian. Your club wants to have its pie floater and eat it too
 

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Does Gibbs really deserve a 114 page thread? Almost every post can be summarised as

"Do you know what's happening? I don't know what's happening. Something better happen. I hope its what I want. Why isn't it happening?"
With an occasional splash of a Crows poster chiming in with a "...well how about you take this Lyons guy off our hands..."

Which then we all collectively responds like this

 
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There is a difference, as I mention we will play finals 2019/20, that's when our window will start. Generally, if you keep that same list together, you will only have a 4 to 5 year opportunity to win a flag.

Side like Geelong, Hawthorn, Sydney make brave calls on their list to extend that window

I love how loyal you are to the likes of Gibbs, but keeping him delays our rebuild and or stifles it, as it did for North. They had one of the oldest lists in the last couple of years and still brought in 26+ year old players. Yes they played a couple of years of finals, but now they look like dropping out for a couple

We did the same thing, I am so sick of this yo yo strategy and finally we have people in place that are sick of it too
Look at arguable the two best list rebuilds in the last 10 years - Dogs moved on griffen, Higgins, Cooney , lake over a 2 yr period, Saints moved on Goddard, McEvoy, Dal Santo, etc and those two have turned it around really quickly

Look at Richmond - didn't move on any senior players during theirs and just got to 6 th with not enough talent to go another step. They should have been far more aggressive 2010/11 and may have gone further
 
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And without premium picks, your club is short of midfield class- hence, trying to poach Gibbs for a bargian. Your club wants to have its pie floater and eat it too
They want to strengthen their midfield while Betts and Thompson and Jacobs are still performing. Each one has to be replaced before you know it and #13 isn't going to wedge that window open any firmer.

Thing is #13 isn't the missing piece of our rebuild either.

They say they will move forward with what they have got. Can they overtake GWS? The Dogs are pretty young. Can they match their midfield? It's a risk.
 

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I wonder how long STK started their rebuild. They still have guys nominating to go there. And looks like they are about to make a tilt on the finals in the next year or 2


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End of 11 they started it.

Saints are a hard working side but they lack pace and class.
 
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Look at arguable the two best list rebuilds in the last 10 years - Dogs moved on griffen, Higgins, Cooney , lake over a 2 yr period, Saints moved on Goddard, McEvoy, Dal Santo, etc and those two have turned it around really quickly

Look at Richmond - didn't move on any senior players during theirs and just got to 6 th with not enough talent to go another step. They should have been far more aggressive 2010/11 and may have gone further
The only difference with us is that our older players retired instead of changing clubs. Judd, Carrazzo, Walker, Jamison. We also traded out Henderson for good value.

Dogs also kept Morris, Boyd, Murphy ... players with form and part of their leadership core. Our senior leadership core is Simpson, Murphy and Gibbs.
 
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I wonder how long STK started their rebuild. They still have guys nominating to go there. And looks like they are about to make a tilt on the finals in the next year or 2
Not sure it started properly until Richardson went there. They sacked Watters who was supposed to be doing it.

Otherwise do we backdate our rebuild to Malthouse?
 
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