Bryce Gibbs staying at Carlton - Silvagni in the no blinking zone

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I have faith in the club in the last 12 months and I am clear as to the value of our players on the open market

Abandon? And what Criticism? I don't follow you
Well you are buying into media reports about Carlton not talking to Adelaide and judging Carlton accordingly. You are also buying into the Mitchell trade as though the circumstances are in any way the same. Mitchell is not a better player than Gibbs yet. Sydney have salary cap issues and couldn't afford to keep him. Gibbs has 3 years left on his contract.

Sick of people bringing up the Mitchell trade as though it is the new benchmark for the worth of a midfielder. It isn't.
 

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However i highly doubt that will happen. As this stage i think Gibbs will be at Carlton next year. Whether he likes it or not. The club can hire him a full-time nanny if their struggling with the bub. We should have the salary cap to burn
He is already one of our highest paid players, earning more than many comparable players at other clubs. Let him hire his own Nanny:mad:
 

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Well I have been saying we give Gibbs and next years second and Adelaide hand over this years 1st and next years 1st.
I would be disappointed weigh that deal as we should hold our 2017 second rounder in what is likely to be a deep and strong draft year.
Also our second (without Gibbs) is likely to be #19-20 and their first is likely to be #17-18 with Gibbs. Gaining 1-3 spots is not enough IMO.
 

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Maybe we should speak in terms of points? That would resolve all this debate
We don't work in points at the moment and we won't until the next father/son is coming through. The points system is arbitrary and favours picks in the 2nd-4th rounds way too much. Really doesn't line up with the likelihood of draft success in those ranges.

We can talk seriously points when it comes to GWS, Sydney, Gold Coast or Brisbane, or Collingwood this year but the rest is probably moot.
 

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Well you are buying into media reports about Carlton not talking to Adelaide and judging Carlton accordingly. You are also buying into the Mitchell trade as though the circumstances are in any way the same. Mitchell is not a better player than Gibbs yet. Sydney have salary cap issues and couldn't afford to keep him. Gibbs has 3 years left on his contract.

Sick of people bringing up the Mitchell trade as though it is the new benchmark for the worth of a midfielder. It isn't.

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Look back on my statement, I said "If true" so I clearly wasn't jumping at conclusions

Not buying into the Mitchell trade only, have stated other trades as well such as Beams. Never once said Mitchell was better. Was never the benchmark for me.

In the end it was easier to state/ask what deal has netted a club 2 first rounders, without giving anything in return for a 27 year old. The answer is NONE

While we are on, what makes us sick, is these profound statements of we shouldn't do this and shouldn't do that as a club, which I am sure has really be successful in the past. If any of you think that just going to the draft will fast track a rebuild, you are kidding yourselves, infact we will fall further behind

People should embrace the change, excited that doing something, could work, rather than sitting on the fence, waiting for splinters
 

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so question for the floor - if we end up keeping Gibbs ... we're booing him next year yeah? or will we be civil?
Absolutely not, the arguments have been put forth and it's Adelaide who tried the childish move. We'll be booing the shit out of them.
 

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We don't work in points at the moment and we won't until the next father/son is coming through. The points system is arbitrary and favours picks in the 2nd-4th rounds way too much. Really doesn't line up with the likelihood of draft success in those ranges.

We can talk seriously points when it comes to GWS, Sydney, Gold Coast or Brisbane, or Collingwood this year but the rest is probably moot.

Well that's seems strange, as I am sure SOS and GWS would have referred to it last year when trading
 

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I don't think people are getting it. The big picture.

The system is operated where players (whether in or out of a contract) basically say - "I want to go to a strong club to give myself a chance of winning a premiership". Hence Tuohy, Gibbs and that bag of slime Henderson. BTW There were some happy people when Geelong was annihilated by Sydney.

I like the way Gold Coast is playing it with their player - give us something of quality in return or you get nothing.

That is the way the system should work, but the strong clubs have for years just picked the eyes out of mid-to-lower range clubs and all they had to give them was a shoddy draft pick or two.

Comparing this Gibbs situation to the Mitchell Hawthorn situation is bonkers. Is Sydney's Mitchell worth more than what they got? Of course he is - which is further proof of this system being broke. They need to modify the system. Sydney can afford to get screwed though as they are usually the ones doing all the deals and are at the top of the pile.

Ever wondered why Geelong, Hawthorn and Sydney are in the finals basically every year?
Think about it. Are these clubs usually busy during the trading season?
This situation with the Gold Coast and also with Gibbs is about getting a win for the clubs that have been screwed over for years.

yes, I know Geelong was out of the finals for one year, but were straight back in as they are a "destination club" with Henderson etc. and could do it on the back of trading.


Like I said earlier - Carlton gets Adelaide's first round draft pick and Cameron (or similar quality player) or gets two first round draft picks (and a good first rounder at that). They are the minimums.
 
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Geoff, you stated that Burgoyne went for 2 1st rounders without anything going back the other way, yet the equivalent was roughly pick 28
Name one statement I made that was incorrect?

Burgoyne did go for two first rounders, then I added that a third and forth also went back to hawthorn.

I didn't say nothing went back the other way.
 

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How do you figure?
You can feign surprise. And anger.
Where's s the evidence adelaide has been disrespectful?

I feel Gibbs doesnt come out and say he wants to go back home unless he is confident it happens. He doesnt want to be that guy. Surely? That confidence could ony be there if hed talked to both clubs. Pure speculation of course but things dont add up to me.
 

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Geoff, you stated that Burgoyne went for 2 1st rounders without anything going back the other way, yet the equivalent was roughly pick 28
But they were better first rounders. They got 300 more points than we are going to get which reduces 28 to pick 43.
Now can we please move on as Adelaide still think they can get Gibbs for #13 and a Dud:mad:
 

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Name one statement I made that was incorrect?

Burgoyne did go for two first rounders, then I added that a third and forth also went back to hawthorn.

I didn't say nothing went back the other way.

Geoff look below, my question, your answer.


Or Perhaps you can name the countless footballers that were traded for 2 1st round picks at the age of 27?

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The Swans had 5 midfield A-Graders (Kennedy, Parker, Hannebury, Jack and Mitchell) too. Players become much more expendable when you've got backup and in the coming years they'll add two more guns in Mills and Heeney as permanent mids.

We currently have 3 A-Graders (Murph, Gibbs and Cripps) and then a gulf between our next best. Losing one significantly weakens us.

Mitchell is rated about Pick 10 and so losing him for Pick 14 isn't a big loss. A big pre-season into Heeney and he'll take over the vacant spot.
 

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You can feign surprise. And anger.
Where's s the evidence adelaide has been disrespectful?

I feel Gibbs doesnt come out and say he wants to go back home unless he is confident it happens. He doesnt want to be that guy. Surely? That confidence could ony be there if hed talked to both clubs. Pure speculation of course but things dont add up to me.
The evidence was your club's announcement on Monday.

Haven't seen any quotes from Gibbs.
 
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